Article 14358 (378 more) in alt.drugs:
From: lamontg@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Long term effects from Hash?
Date: 2 Apr 1993 02:31:15 GMT
Organization:
‘Operation: Mindcrime’
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andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson)
writes:
>I didn’t say it was harmless. I was just ripping on a so-called
"expert"
>who claimed that it _caused_ lung disease. I think it’s correct to say
that
>we don’t know whether or not it causese lung disease.
jesus christ…
its correct to say that it contains agents that cause cancer in lab animals,
its
correct to say that contains tar and other agents that are thought to
cause lung irritation.
its also correct to say that there is correlation
between smoking it and chronic lung
problems. would you care to hypothesize
that there is some kind of disorder that causes both
lung problems and
a craving to smoke marijuana, and that its the *only* cause of the
correlation
between MJ and respiratory problems? shall we take the same stance as
–MORE–(51%)
the tobacco lobby?
>>>between marijuana and
‘ammotivational syndrome’ has not been demonstrated;
>>>no, a causal link between
marijuana and ’short term memory loss’ has not
>>>been demonstrated.
>>
>>I don’t know about ‘demonstrated’, but I have noticed that when my friend
>>a day or two.
>
>Anecdotal evidence doesn’t count. It hasn’t been
proven.
yippie-fucking-do. however, i’ve got three more anecdotes to add to that
list, plus one more psychiatrist that has noticed a "reversible amotivational
syndrome" in patients.
>Again, I’m not claliming cannabis is harmless. It just
hasn’t been
>proven that it’s harmful.
thats nice. but remember that’s the
official stance of the tobacco lobby.
you know, even given lung irritation from smoking
it, and a reversible
amotivational syndrome, its still argueably less harmful that either
tobacco or cigarettes…. it would seem better to drop the issue of
about it, because
its not provable either way, but theres a good chance that
we’ll ultimately lose… and
essentially it does look really stupid to make
"well you can’t prove it can you?"
arguements without providing some kind
of *disproof*.
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Article 14359 (377 more) in alt.drugs:
From: J.R. Dean
Subject: Re: LSD,
ergot & migrane medicine
Date: 1 Apr 93 11:21:10 GMT
Organization: "The
Enclave" — Boulder Creek, California
Lines: 25
ad197@Freenet.carleton.ca
(Richard Stride) writes:
>
> I don’t think a pharmaceutical company would
sysnthesize an Ergot akaloid
> that still kept it hallucinogenic properties and then have
it pass the FDA
> and market it for migranes. It would raise a whole new debate over the
>
> But then again you
probably already new most of this…
>
> —
> Richard Stride…
> ad197@freenet.carleton.ca
> ‘Master Myoclonis Meets Mephisto’
I’ve used
ergotamine. Besides being ineffective for most people
–MORE–(74%)
with
migraines, it is NOT psychoactive.
However, it can be used as the base for synthesizing
LSD-25, or
so it is claimed.
————-
jrd@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us
..scruz.ucsc.edu!nocturne!jrd
"The Enclave" — Boulder Creek, California — +1 408
338-9754
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Article 14360 (376 more) in alt.drugs:
From: lamontg@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Long term effects from Hash?
Date: 2 Apr 93 03:04:38 GMT
Organization:
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verdant@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Sol Lightman)
writes:
> Think again. Cigarette companies will have you believing
>anything just
as long as you continue to buy their products. The
>fact is, although insoluble tars are a
contributing factor to the
>lung cancer danger present in today’s cigarettes, the real
danger
>is radioactivity. According to U.S. Surgeon General C. Everette
>Koop (on
national television, 1990) radioactivity, not tar,
>accounts for at least 90% of all
smoking related lung cancer.
i’d like to know where Koop pulled this number out of.
>Polonium 210 is
>the only component of cigarette smoke which has produced
tumors by
>itself in inhalation experiments with animals.
–MORE–(66%)
you’re going to have to do a much better job of discounting the
carcinogenicity of
benzopyrene & co than this… at least you’re
going to have to make your dismissal of
other studies much clearer…
in short, i’m really fucking skeptical. particularly
since i read
several of the references you cited when i was researching this, and
none
of them seemed to be making the conclusion that Po-210
was the only significant factor in the
carcinogenicity of cigarette
smoke. i never found any evidence that i thought supported the
belief
that Po-210 was the only agent responsible for tobacco’s carcinogenicity.
and don’t cite herer’s book. the signal/noize ratio of its pharmacology part
is almost
crap.
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Article 14361 (375 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Carsten Lutz
Subject: Re:
ARCHIVE: morning.glory.seeds
Organization: malihh, Hamburg, Germany
Date: Thu, 1 Apr
1993 22:05:52 GMT
Lines: 16
In <C4J727.At@news.claremont.edu>
cklausme@jarthur.claremont.edu (Chris Klausmei
er) writes:
[...]
> Based on my
own empirical testing of the commonly available MG seeds,
>the ones labeled ‘Heavenly Blue’
are the ones you want. The other seed
>types seemed to have little physchoative affect. I
purchased the seeds
>from two different companies Northrop King (NK), where the seed
origin
>is Holland, and Olds, which grows their seed here in my hometown (Madison
It
would be interesting to get the addresses of these companies. Do they
sell their products by
mail ? Anyone who knows more ?
greetings,
Carsten
—
*
Carsten Lutz, Rellingen, FRG / clu@malihh.hanse.de ( NeXTmail accepted ) *
–MORE–(93%)
* Voice : +49 4101 512493 Fax: +49 4101 27757 Traily : +49 4101 22306 *
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Article 14362 (374 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Bruce Ferrell
Subject: Re:
Hair as fertilizer?
Date: 2 Apr 93 03:06:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online
Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Lines: 6
Does anyone know
what kinds of tests are run by blockbuster… I’ve been
able to find references for blood and
urine testing for metabolites, but so
far absolutely no references for testing hair. Can they
really be running
gas chromatograph tests for minimum wage jobs?
inquiring minds
want to know!
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Article 14363 (373 more) in alt.drugs:
From: lamontg@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups:
alt.drugs,sci.med
Subject: Re: LSD & Pregnancy
Date: 2 Apr 1993
03:32:21 GMT
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aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge) writes:
>Seems to me I saw some of the articles
about chromosome damage 15-20 years
>ago. I think the chromosome damage was supposed to be
real but only
>happened to a few people.
it only happened to people that had a
history of taking other drugs
that have been proven to produce breaks.
>But,
listen up. LSD isn’t being manufactured in drug company labs. It
>suseptible to any kind of
accidental or deliberate contamination. In the
>late sixties it wasn’t uncommon to spike it
with a little strichnine
>(spelling?). It’s like bathtub gin, quality control is
non-existant.
–MORE–(78%)
gosh, it would be really nice if you’d do us
all a favor and come out of
the 60’s and shut up about strychnine. in the 90’s acid comes on
5mm x 5mm
blotter squares most of the time, and strychnine is next to non-existant.
lysergic acid or
phenethylamine derivatives you’re getting…
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Article 14364 (372 more) in alt.drugs:
From: lamontg@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups:
alt.drugs,sci.med
Subject: Re: LSD & Pregnancy
Date: 2 Apr 1993
03:35:36 GMT
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cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio) writes:
>Avoiding all drugs (LSD, alcohol, caffeine,
etc.) during
>pregnancy is a good idea. LSD should especially be avoided
>because,
as another poster has pointed out, Hoffman found it
>while investigating ergot derivatives
as uterine contractors.
i believe that he was searching for a ergot derived migraine
shit, i’m fairly sure that i’ve read something specifically
to the
fact that LSD has been shown to cause uterine contractions. certainly
its
chemical relatives do… i’d say taking it during pregnancy is
definitely not a good
idea…
–MORE–(99%)
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Article 14365 (371 more) in alt.drugs:
From: lamontg@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: LSD info (WANTED!)
Date: 2 Apr 93 03:25:04 GMT
Organization: ‘Operation:
Mindcrime’
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e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson) writes:
>Yesterday a big swedish newspaper had a large "pull-out" section about drugs.
>(mostly about LSD & XTC…) In severals places in the paper they claim
>that there
are proof of LSD beeing responsible of schizophrenia (sp?),
>could someone on the net
please confirm or deny this ? Some schools are plan-
>ning to use the matrial for teaching,
and it would be a shame if the pupils
>were misinformed…
its not
*responsible* for producing schizophrenic breaks. you need the
genetic predisposition to
schizophrenia, and you need environmental
conditions. LSD can be one of those environmental
conditions. having
your parents divorce, or suffering abuse, etc are probably much worse
environmental conditions…
–MORE–(50%)
AN 83255675. 8308A.
AU
Vardy-M-M. Kay-S-R.
TI LSD psychosis or LSD-induced schizophrenia? A multimethod inquiry.
LG Eng.
AB We studied whether
patients hospitalized for LSD psychosis are
clinically separable from acute schizophrenics.
The family histories,
manifest symptoms, premorbid adjustment, and profiles on an extensive
first-break schizophrenics.
The LSD patients did not differ from
schizophrenics in incidence of psychosis or suicide among
the
parents. However, the rate of parental alcoholism for LSD psychotics
far exceeded
that for schizophrenics and the general population. The
two groups were distinguished on some
clinical features but were
equivalent in premorbid adjustment, on most cognitive measures
when
initially hospitalized or reassessed three to five years later, and
in number of
subsequent rehospitalizations. Thus, in most respects
the LSD psychotics were fundamentally
similar to schizophrenics in
geneaology, phenomenology, and course of illness. The findings
reaction in persons
vulnerable to both substance abuse and psychosis.
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Article 14366 (370 more) in alt.drugs:
From: lamontg@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups:
alt.drugs,sci.med,alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: LSD & Pregnancy
Date:
2 Apr 1993 03:48:54 GMT
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>>I saw the articles that were written in the late
60’s, early 70’s. And I
>>was part of the hip scene for a period which was when I was
told by a
>>dealer that the LSD was spiked. I thought it reasonable and later I saw
low
>>dosage strychnine tablets being sold in New York City drugstores as a kind
>>of tonic. I’ll stand by that last sentence. *QUALITY CONTROL IS
>>NON-EXISTENT*.
>
>I’ll stand by the last sentence too, but I haven’t heard anyone whose
>word I’d trust telling me about strychnine in acid. Only people who
>were
self-proclaimed trip experts or selling it ("this batch is really
>smooth, no
strychnine"). No one who appeared to have any real basis in
>the reality of the drug
and where it came from. If I knew someone who
–MORE–(64%)
>manufactured it
and THEY told me this, maybe I’d believe them, but I don’t
>and I don’t know anyone who
does. Just a bunch of hearsay.
the only write-ups of strychnine-containing LSD in the
literature all
are pre-1972 articles. the only mention of what form the acid came on
are
in Hofmann’s account in LSD:MPC which says it was a white powder.
PharmChem’s analysis between
1972-1978 found no strychnine containing acid
in over 2,000 samples, although it did find
strychnine laced amphetamines.
also the LA County Street Drug Analysis Prog (1980’s, i don’t
remember the
date offhand) found that acid was predominantly pure, and that the major
problem was not with contaminants but with potency.
i’ve weighed sheets of acid. and a
single hit of blotter (5mm x 5mm, not
something exorbitantly large) only weighs about 2 mg,
which might get you
off if it was *made* out of strychnine…
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Article 14367 (369 more) in alt.drugs:
From: lamontg@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Re: LSD & Pregnancy
Date:
2 Apr 1993 03:52:51 GMT
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>information about the "noise".)
I would guess that a foetus’s hearing
>is pretty well developed, and its other senses will
also be present in
>primitive form.
syntax, not semantics.
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Article 14368 (368 more) in alt.drugs:
From: lamontg@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups:
alt.drugs,sci.med
Subject: Re: LSD & Pregnancy
Date: 2 Apr 1993
03:54:00 GMT
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odellec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (ODELLEC) writes:
>of prevailing psychological conditions or
both. I did notice,
>however, that the older the LSD was, the weaker it was and
>the more likely it was to produce muscle tension. Is it possible
>that as the LSD broke
down, some of its byproducts caused the
>muscle tension, or do you think it was all a
matter of
>psychosomatic effects?
one theory is that the breakdown of lsd into
iso-lsd produces
weaker, speedier acid… so, you might be correct…
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Article 14369 (367 more) in alt.drugs:
From: lamontg@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups:
alt.drugs,sci.med,alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: LSD & Pregnancy
Date:
2 Apr 1993 03:55:28 GMT
Organization: ‘Operation: Mindcrime’
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> The scoop was that this
research observed chromosome damage in
>older people who had been using LSD for several
years. What they
>didn’t bother to check was normal chromosome damage that occured in
>group vs.
non-user group.
MYTH: LSD causes chromosome damage.
In Science 30 April
1972, Volume 172 Number 3982 p. 431-440 there was an
article by Norman I. Dishotsky, William
D. Loughman, Robert E. Mogar and
Wendell R. Lipscomb titled "LSD and Genetic Damage - Is
LSD chromosome
damaging, carcinogenic, mutagenic, or teratogenic?". They reviewed 68
studies and case reports published 1967-1972, concluding "From
our own
work and from a review of literature, we believe that pure LSD ingested
in
moderate doses does not damage chromosomes in vivo, does not cause
detectable genetic damage,
and is not a teratogen or carcinogen in man."
(Above submitted by:
ppennane@plootu.helsinki.fi (Petrus Pennanen))
The _Psychedelic Encylcopedia_ traces the myth
of LSD
chromosome damage to two studies. One study published in _Science_ by
Maimon
Cohen citing chromosome damage in an individual who was
concurrently taking Librium and
Thorazine (which have been proved to be
mutagenic) and citing in vitro mutagencity that was
not substantial
enough to be meaningful. Another report "by two doctors in Portland,
OR"
showed mutagenicity, but only in concurrent users of amphetamine (again
a drug
proven to be mutagenic).
_Psychedelic Encyclopedia_ also quotes the following:
"Timothy
Leary, much to our surprise, showed, in 200 cells, only two with
chromosome aberrations, one in each cell. This finding is about as
spectacular as must be the
amount of LSD that he probably has taken
in the past 8 years. I am at a loss to understand or
explain this
negative finding." — Herman Lisco, MD Cancer Research Institute
New
England Deaconess Hospital, Boston, Mass.
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Article 14370 (366 more) in alt.drugs:
From: John Bushnell
Subject: Re:
Why Presprout? (Re: Growing Marijuana - How to ???)
Date: 2 Apr 93 04:04:58 GMT
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44
In article <1993Mar27.000232.2915@acuson.com> lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson)
wr
ites:
>In article <1993Mar25.025203.19202@freenet.carleton.ca>
aa513@Freenet.carleton.
ca (Tris Orendorff) writes:
>>Try sprouting the
seeds before planting.
>I’ve been reading the postings here on growing, and find
the
>information interesting, but this one confuses me.
>Several people (or
at least, several postings) have suggested
>presprouting the seed before potting. As a
gardener, I find this odd.
>Moving a sprout is a relatively (though not highly) risky thing
–
>roots are easily snapped off. Is there something about MJ that makes
>in-soil
germination a problem?
–MORE–(41%)
I consulted a FOAF who gave this a
try a few years back, and they said:
1) It is easier to keep the seed moist by covering
with a wet
paper towel or such rather than in dirt where the top can become dry
quickly
and there are air pockets. Remember that a germinating seed
has no way of collecting moisture
like even a several day old sprout
does, so this is critical. Also, sterility is important,
and this
FOAF used to microwave a wet(sopping) paper towel covered with Saran
wrap for a
minute or two, let cool, and then place freshly rinsed
seeds in between the layers of fresh
towel. They also set this in
a dark place to germinate as excessive exposure to the newly
forming
roots is harmful. Germination always began within a day or two.
2)
Pre-germination would show this FOAF which seeds were still
viable, as they often saved seeds
from special plants for extended
periods (years) before using them, and some were no longer
good. Also,
some fresh ones were either immature or otherwise ruined, and never
really
started. As tranplanting IS tramatic for any plant, this
FOAF could plant the germinated seeds
in the exact space that they
wanted to grow with a purported success rate of ~99% without
the
need for replanting later on. Supposedly the trick lies in planting
the sprouts when
the extruding root is about 2-5mm in length. The
longer one waits after this, the greater the
chance of crunching or
–MORE–(91%)
otherwise damaging the small root/root hairs
that are developing.
I also don’t have any experience with this, but it sounds
pretty
reasonable. Any growers want to throw in their two cents?
John E B
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Article 14371 (365 more) in alt.drugs:
From: lamontg@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups:
alt.drugs,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Master of Puppets (was Re: Drugs
and Rock’n'Roll)
Date: 2 Apr 1993 04:02:42 GMT
Organization: ‘Operation: Mindcrime’
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v129nlgw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (PAUL HOWARD) writes:
writes…
>>> "Master, master, where’s the dreams that I’ve been
after……"? Could this
>>> be a bad acid trip? Looks like there are alot of
drugs in Puppets…
>>Yep, they’re sure is a lot of anti-druf
anti-drug?
i thought it was more anti-addiction.
actually, i think that they’re
basically just describing drug addiction,
and letting you figure it out…
–MORE–(69%)
>> stuff in Master … The line
>>"Master,
master, where’s the dreams that I’ve been after … " describes
>>the feeling
ayone gets when people tell U things, great things, wonderful
>>things, about Life the
Universe and Everything (grin) and they just can’t
>>make it real. That’s what drugs
are all about - they shape you a dream
>>but they never build it for you … Drugs kill
!
>
>"Chop your breakfast on a mirror." It’s about cocaine.
heroin.
one of the guys (jamez?) got addicted to heroin, and its probably
autobiographical.
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Article 14372 (364 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Tanjian
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Re: Fwd: FREE NRA
MEMBERSHIP OFFER
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 93 17:56:20 PST
Organization: Hale Telecommunications
Inc.
Lines: 92
"Jonathan W. Kimball" <jk8l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
writes:
> Since you asked about the FREE NRA MEMBERSHIP OFFER, here’s the
original
> posting from a couple weeks ago. Please note that the ‘me’ to reply to
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>
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>
> X-Andrew-WideReply:
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> From: an1223@anon.penet.fi (Joe Schmukytelli)
> Subject: FREE NRA
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>
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> A group of members of the National Rifle
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1-year
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>
>
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member,
> 2. Must be legally eligible to own firearms,
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>
> If you would like to participate in this program, send:
>
>
1. Your name and address EXACTLY as you would like it to appear
> on your membership
credentials,
>
> 2. An little essay, 200 words OR LESS, stating why you would
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>
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>
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and a clear call that may not be denied…
>
I’m pissed the NRA has the balls
to post on this liberal/libertarian
newsgroup. The NRA support bastards in DC that would have
the head of
anybody who toked weed!
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Article 14373 (363 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Tanjian
Subject: Re: Amanita
Muscaria
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 93 18:01:58 PST
Organization: Hale Telecommunications Inc.
My experience wasn’t as "exciting" as Bob’s, but a rather dull
one.
Perhaps the 30 grams was bad. I only felt a slight effect. Nothing like
Psilocybin, but more like comparing the mescaline containing San Pedro
with the more potent
Peyote.
-Tanj
PS-One can order Amanita muscaria from:
J.L.F.
POB 184
Elizabeth IN 47232
DEFAULT
SIG—————————————————————–
Hale Telecommunications
Inc. Cut Clinton before spending! Don’t Inhale.
Public Access Internet Site Impeach Hillary!
Just Say NO to Democrats!
619/660-6734 V.32Bis In case of tax and spend liberal, BREAK
GLASS.
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Article 14374 (362 more) in alt.drugs:
From: sexonwheelz
Subject: Re:
MARIJUANA - Is it harmful?
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 04:38:13 GMT
Organization: University
of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 44
enis@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
>In article <C4qEG5.28G@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, blanchar@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Blanch
ard)
writes:
>>>I couldn’t let this one go unanswered…
>>
>>
Why?
>>
>>>How does tobacco kill? Lung cancer.
>>>Do you
think that smoking pot won’t give you lung cancer?
>>
>> True, but how many
people do you know smoke 20 joints of pot
>> a day? I don’t know exactly (maybe someone
else does) how much
>> weed (ie, an 8th, a 4th, etc.) would make up the same as a
pack
>> of smokes…?
>>
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>> Bottom
line — people that smoke cigarettes and die from it usually
>> smoke ALOT a day…
marijuana smokers would at most smoke 1 joint
>> combined throughout the day. I think
that is alot less harmful to
>> the lung than a pack of smokes.
>This
is most probably WRONG. Most books that deal with the subject point out
>several reasons,
including the fact that most people smoke UNFILTERED
>joints/bongs and that most pot
smokers try to keep the smoke in their lungs as
>long as possible, increasing the damage to
tissue. I have even heard that only
>one joint is equivalent to a whole pack of cigarettes
(but this may be
>stretching it).
what do mean by unfiltered bong? a bong, by
definition is filtered because
the water removes almost ALL of the carcinogens present in
marijuana. The
reason marijuana smoke does not cause cancer is because it is not
radioactive
like tobacco is, and so the pre-cancerous lesions in the lungs that result
from marijuana usage are BENIGN because they are non-radioactive. Nicotine
has a half life of
21.5 years in the lungs, and its radioactivity causes
cancer. The only damage that occurs to
the tissue are the lesions which
present very little if any risk to the individual. Besides,
eating or
drinking marijuana would eliminate lung cancer dangers altogether. While
all
smoke is an irritant, mj smoke is NOT cancerous.
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sexonwheelz
—
+ you’re the prettiest of them all, but tell me something….what’s
wrong +
+ with you, what’s wrong with everybody in this crazy place?!?! +
+ +
+
sexonwheelz–ecb41215@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu +
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Article 14375 (361 more) in alt.drugs:
Subject: Re: Good news for pot smokers
Date: 2 Apr 93 16:26:14 NZST
Organization:
Wellington City Council
NNTP-Posting-Host: nomad.wcc.govt.nz
Lines: 22
>>The long awaited NIH study on the effects of marijuana was released today,
Is
there a long awaited study? And was it released?
> [etc.]
>
>>Even
more amazingly, Clinton was asked about the results this morning,
[etc.]
>
> It’s so hard to take anything seriously on
> this date. I wish I could
but I just can’t.
>
Damn!! When I read this, I thought cool! What a great
thing! I spotted
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joke posts on a number of groups today, but I fell
for this one. (If it is
a joke, god I hope it’s for real). Of course, since I’m a New
Zealander it
doesn’t directly affect me, and also the date here is the second of april,
but man, I hope it’s true nonetheless. Spose it ain’t though. Very, very
cruel.
Sam (who has no .sig, just writes this stuff on every post)
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Article 14376 (360 more) in alt.drugs:
From: sexonwheelz
Subject: Re:
H.E.M.P. Info wanted.
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 04:52:03 GMT
Organization: University of
Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 29
ad028@Freenet.carleton.ca (Ian Chesal) writes:
>Alright everybody. I’m looking for information on
>the (H)elp (E)nd
(M)arijuana (P)rohibition Group.
>Apparently there is alot more to marijuana than
>just a nice high. Anybody out there who knows or
>has information on this group I would
appreciate
>hearing from. Also, a mailing address for this
>group might be nice
also. Thanks!
>Ian C.
>–
>Life is what happens while you’re |
Ian Chesal
>making other plans. | ad028@freenet.carleton.ca
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HEMP’s address is:
5632 Van Nuys Blvd
#210
Van Nuys CA 91401
sexonwheelz
—
+ you’re the prettiest of them all, but tell me
something….what’s wrong +
+ with you, what’s wrong with everybody in this crazy place?!?!
+
+ +
+ sexonwheelz–ecb41215@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu +
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Article 14377 (359 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Marc Anderson
Subject: Re:
Long term effects from Hash?
Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu
Organization:
University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 04:57:43 GMT
Lines: 53
es:
>andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes:
>>I didn’t say it was
harmless. I was just ripping on a so-called "expert"
>>who claimed that it
_caused_ lung disease. I think it’s correct to say that
>>we don’t know whether or not
it causese lung disease.
>
>jesus christ…
>
>its correct to
say that it contains agents that cause cancer in lab animals,
what kind of cancer? I
believe (I may be wrong) it’s only been shown to
be carcinogenic rubbed on the skins of
laboratory animals. that really doesn’t
mean too much.
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>its correct to say that contains tar and other agents that are thought to
>cause
lung irritation. its also correct to say that there is correlation
>between smoking it and
chronic lung problems. would you care to hypothesize
>that there is some kind of disorder
that causes both lung problems and
>a craving to smoke marijuana, and that its the *only*
cause of the correlation
>between MJ and respiratory problems? shall we take the same
stance as
>the tobacco lobby?
lung irritation != lung cancer
re.
correlation between smoking and _chronic_ lung problems: i will take any
such study with a
large grain of salt. smoking tobacco is very often
correlated with smoking cannabis. unless I
see at least that variable
filtered out, it doesn’t mean shit to me.
>>>>between marijuana and ‘ammotivational syndrome’ has not been demonstrated;
>>>>no, a causal link between marijuana and ’short term memory loss’ has not
>>>>been demonstrated.
>>>
>>>I don’t know about
‘demonstrated’, but I have noticed that when my friend
>>>does a lot of canabis,
trying to get any work doen with him is very hard for
>>>a day or two.
>>
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>>Anecdotal evidence doesn’t count. It hasn’t been
proven.
>
>yippie-fucking-do. however, i’ve got three more anecdotes to add to
that
>list, plus one more psychiatrist that has noticed a "reversible amotivational
pbfft.. well I got 15 anecdotes that contradict
yours.
re: "reversible amotivational syndrome": has your psychiatrist friend
published his findings? even if he has, and his cases are genuine (I wouldn’t
be overly
surprised), a few select cases don’t mean very much to me.
[...]
-marc
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Article 14378 (358 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Marc Anderson
Subject: Re:
Long term effects fr
Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu
Organization: University of
Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 05:06:49 GMT
Lines: 27
In article
<1pg6esINNjcn@shelley.u.washington.edu> lamontg@u.washington.edu writ
es:
[...]
>AU Tashkin-D-P.
>IN Department of Medicine, University
of California, School of Medicine,
> Los Angeles 90024.
>TI Pulmonary
complications of smoked substance abuse.
>RF REVIEW ARTICLE: 61 REFS.
>SO
West-J-Med. 1990 May. 152(5). P 525-30.
>LG Eng.
>AB After tobacco, marijuana is
the most widely smoked substance in our
> society. Studies conducted within the past 15
years in animals,
> isolated tissues, and humans indicate that marijuana smoke can
injure
> the lungs. Habitual smoking of marijuana has been shown to be
–MORE–(66%)
> associated with chronic respiratory tract symptoms, an increased
> epithelial
disease, and abnormalities in the structure and function
> of alveolar macrophages, key
cells in the lungs’ immune defense
> system. In addition, the available evidence strongly
suggests that
> regularly smoking marijuana may predispose to the development of
>
cancer of the respiratory tract…. (rest of abstract deleted)
I would like to know if
these studies excluded tobacco smoking subjects.
Does anyone have this study handy?
andersom@spot.colorado.edu
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Article 14379 (357 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Tanjian
Subject: Cannabis
BBS
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 93 18:43:39 PST
Organization: Hale Telecommunications Inc.
Lines: 9
Does anyone know of a board dedicated to da kind? We’ll have one up
ourselves very soon. Pls send any info to:
The Assassins Club
tac@whitebase.ukp.com
DEFAULT SIG—————————————————————–
Hale
Telecommunications Inc. Cut Clinton before spending! Don’t Inhale.
Public Access Internet Site
Impeach Hillary! Just Say NO to Democrats!
619/660-6734 V.32Bis In case of tax and spend
liberal, BREAK GLASS.
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Article 14380 (356 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Chris Hugins
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 20:35:53
GMT
Subject: Re: They’ll teach your children well …
Organization:
Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Lines: 21
Excellent post!
. _ .
_____________
|\_|/__/| / \
/ / \/ \ \ / Happy! Happy! \
/__|O||O|__ \ \ Joy!
Joy! /
|/_ \_/\_/ _\ | \ ___________/
| | (____) | || |/
\/\___/\__/ // _/
| ||\
\ //_/
\______//
__|| __||
(____(____) Stimpson
J. Cat
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Chris T. Hugins (chugins@cup.hp.com)
OSSD/Commercial Open System Lab, 47LA/P8
19447 Pruneridge Ave, Cupertino, CA 95014
Phone: 408-447-5702 Fax: 408-447-6268
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Article 14381 (355 more) in alt.drugs:
Newsgroups:
talk.politics.drugs,alt.activism,alt.drugs
From: maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com
Subject: Illinois Hemp Tour information!
Followup-To: talk.politics.drugs
Summary:
six cities in seven days, starts with Hash Bash and conference.
Keywords: IDEA, tour,
relegalization
Lines: 142
Organization: Gizmonics Institute Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Apr
1993 07:50:54 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host:
sol.ctr.columbia.edu
Illinois will have its own Hemp Tour this month, thanks to
the tireless efforts of Josh Sloan, Director of the Illinois
Drug Ethics Alliance. Josh
doesn’t yet have net.access, so
I’m putting this online for him.
Herbally.max
————————–begin press
release———————-
–MORE–(20%)
Illinois Drug Ethics
Alliance
P.O. Box 4205
Urbana, IL, 61801
***PRESS RELEASE*** ***PRESS
RELEASE***
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Joshua Sloan 367-5674
April 1, 1993
MIDWEST-REGIONAL SYMPOSIUM & ILLINOIS STATE POLICY REFORM TOUR
On April 21, 1993, the Illinois Drug Ethics Alliance is
sponsoring a state and national
leadership symposium. The
symposium is entitled "Rethinking the Drug War" and will
be
held at the Channing-Murray Foundation at 1209 W. Oregon,
Urbana, IL (near the U of
I-Champaign/Urbana). The symposium
will run from 3:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m.
Featured
guests and their presentations include:
Dick Cowan
Executive Director,
National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws;
Board member, Drug Policy
Foundation
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TOPIC: Economic Impact of Cannabis Re-legalization
Eric Sterling
Director, Criminal Justice Policy Foundation
TOPIC: Racism and the
War on Drugs
Jay Miller
Director, State of Illinois American Civil Liberties
Union
TOPIC: Civil Liberties and the Drug War
Dennis Peron
Founder,
American Medical Marijuana Association
Leader of San Fransisco’s successful medical marijuana
initiative
TOPIC: Medical Marijuana
Brownie Mary
Nationally known for
distributing cannabis brownies to AIDS patients
in San Fransisco
TOPIC: Cannabis,
Compassion, and AIDS
Elvy Musikka
1st female to get legal Gov.’t cannabis
TOPIC: Women and the Winds of Change
–MORE–(50%)
Jack Herer
Author
of _The Emperor Wears No Clothes_, environmental hemp expert
TOPIC: Environmental Issues of
Cannabis/Hemp
George Tassef
Attorney for Illinois Drug Ethics Alliance;
Top Illinois attorney against seizure and forfeiture cases
TOPIC: Illinois Drug Laws, How Bad
Are They?
Contact our office as soon as possible for reservations,
interview
information, and/or Press Passes (which include VIP
seating).
This symposium is
intended as a kick-off for an eight county
tour of Illinois. Representatives from these
counties will
be attending the symposium. Many of our featured guests will
be travelling
across Illinois to these eight counties. A
calendar of Illinois events is as follows:
April 21
Champaign, IL
Hash Wednesday/ Earth Day Celebration:
–MORE–(66%)
U of I Quad, High noon
Illinois Drug Ethics Alliance Symposium:
April 22
Normal, IL
Rights
of Spring:
Miller Park, High Noon
April 23
Springfield, IL
March on
the Capitol:
Old State Capitol, 11:00 am
April 25
St. Louis, MO (a little
detour!)
Rally Under the Arch:
Gateway Arch, High Noon
April 26
Carbondale, IL
Spring Fest Hemp Rally:
Free Forum Area, High Noon
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workshops:
Student Center, TBA
April 28
Dekalb,
IL
Hemp Day:
NIU Lagoon, High Noon
panel discussions:
Holmes Student
Center, 7:00 pm
May 1
Rockford, IL
May 8
Chicago, IL
Windy City Weed Fest:
Lake Shore Drive & Montrose, High Noon to 8:00
pm.
For further information on nature of events, contact numbers,
travel and
lodging information contact the Illinois Drug
Ethics Alliance at 217-367-5674.
–MORE–(86%)
Fighting drug and alcohol abuse is a top priority of I.D.E.A.
drugs and alcohol do to society,
we must approach abuse as
the medical problem that it is. The criminalization of all
casual drug users gives little incentive for voluntary
treatment (we believe treatment should
be given on demand).
Criminalizing casual users also creates a tremendous burden
on the
taxpayer and criminal justice system alike. Through
our state-wide alliance, we will work to
change archaic and
damaging drug laws. This alliance will attempt to bring to
the
public’s attention the positive financial and moral
benefits of compassionate drug policy
reform.
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Article 14382 (354 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Lamont Granquist
Subject:
[alt.drugs] Weekly Posting and FAQ list version 0.9
Date: 2 Apr 1993 08:02:03 GMT
Organization: Operation: Mindcrime
Lines: 703
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu
alt.drugs FAQ and monthly posting Last
Modified: Sun, 21 Feb 93
FAQ Topics:
Introduction : Introduction to the
newsgroup alt.drugs
Network Issues : FTP sites, NNTP/uucp gateways, mailing lists
Common FAQs : Answers to common FAQs
MDMA/Ecstasy : Section on MDMA (effects, chemistry,
neurotoxicity)
Drug Myths : Common misconceptions about drugs
Drug Testing : A quick
section on how to beat drug tests
Organizations : A list of Anti-War on Drugs organizations
Administrativa:
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READ THE WHOLE LIST NOW IF YOU
HAVEN’T BEFORE DAMMIT!
Subjects can easily be skipped to with ^G in ‘rn’, or by
breaking
them up into a digest with "G%" in ‘nn’. The "Date: " field
associated with a subject is actually its last modified date.
NOTES:
the 1/2
finished next version of the alt.drugs FAQ is available
for anonymous FTP from
ftp.u.washington.edu
network issues has been copied from the FAQ version 1.0 so that
———————————————————————-
Date: Thu, 30
Apr 92
From: alt.drugs FAQ list
Subject: Introduction
Welcome to
alt.drugs. This is a forum for the discussion generally
of recreational drugs. To a large
extent the traffic on this group deals
with both currently legal and illegal recreational
drugs. Discussions
commonly are concerned with both the psychological and chemical effects
of
–MORE–(5%)
drugs, along with the social aspects of drug use. The
following
newsgroups may be more appropriate for certain posts:
sci.med:
medicinal use of prescription or OTC drugs.
alt.psychoactives: nootropics or "smart
drugs".
talk.politics.drugs: political and legal aspects of drug use.
alt.consciousness: discussions on consciousness and altered states.
alt.rave: the underground
dance scene that MDMA is related to.
alt.drugs.usenet: this is for people who are
addicted to USENET
please do not cross-post to this group.
The discussion about
illegal drug use is frequently very
controversial. One item should be immediately cleared up:
It is *NOT* a
commonly espoused theme that irresponsible illegal drug use should be
*ENCOURAGED*, and the purpose of this list is not to encourage
irresponsible illegal (or
legal) drug use. The majority of people who
read alt.drugs, however, do generally condone
legal or illegal drug use
provided it is done *RESPONSIBLY* and that means knowledgably.
about drugs. In
particular there are many myths about legal and illegal
drug use, and there is quite a large
amount of disinformation also. For
the most part I have tried to insure that this list
contains accurate
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information. If you think something is in error,
please e-mail me. This
list is not, however, meant to be all-encompassing (that would make for
an
incredibly large list and I don’t have *THAT* much free time). There are
also FAQ
lists on the following topics, all of which are available at
several FTP sites (Directions for
uucp users to acquire copies of the FAQs
are included in the FTP list).
FAQ-Bibliography : Extensive references to books and articles about drugs
FAQ-Ecstasy :
Information about Ecstasy (aka MDMA, MDM, Adam)
FAQ-Everclear : The Everclear list from
rec.food.drink
FAQ-LSD : Information about LSD
FAQ-Misc : YOU’RE READING IT!
FAQ-MJ-Consumption : Information on methods of social marijuana consumption
FAQ-Natural-High
: Info on mind-altering botanicals — some legal
THE IMPORTANT BIT: Frequently Asked
Questions
Also, this list was created with another purpose in mind. alt.drugs
tends to get bogged down in traffic that is continuously repeated. In
particular threads on
the FTP sites, how to beat drug testing, and the
infamous LSD and strychnine thread have been
hashed and rehashed =) more
times than many people can remember. Before posting something to
the net,
net.etiquette requires you to read this list first. If you don’t find an
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answer in here, please first check the single-topic FAQs and the
archives
at ftp.u.washington.edu. If you stil cannot find an answer the a
posting to
alt.drugs is welcomed.
——————————
Date: Sat, 26 Sep
92
From: alt.drugs FAQ list
Subject: Networking
FTP SITES
———
The following is list of Internet sites which have FTP access to
files related
to alt.drugs. To use them login via FTP as ‘anonymous’:
ftp.u.washington.edu
[128.95.136.1] (lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu)
/public/alt.drugs: misc alt.drugs related
material, FAQs
rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.1.12]
/soft/kommunikation/news/spool/news/alt/drugs: last few days news
pit-manager.mit.edu
[18.72.1.58]
/pub/activism: has constitution of US, Bill of Rights, etc
ftp.eff.org
[192.88.144.3]
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/pub/academic/civics: Government addresses,
constitution, Senate fax#, etc
think.com [131.239.2.1]
/pub/libernet: Libertarian Party
and Fully Informed Jury Amendment
GETTING FILES VIA E-MAIL
————————
If you don’t have access to FTP because you are on a
uucp/Fidonet/etc
network there is an e-mail gateway at ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com that can
retrieve the files for you and another one at bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu. To get
instrutions on
how to use the FTP
gateway send a blank message to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com or
bitftp@pucc.princeton
.edu with one line
containing the work ‘help’.
This
is a sample message of how to retrieve some files from the alt.drugs
archives at
ftp.u.washington.edu using ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com:
> % mail
ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
> Subject: <ignored>
> reply
<yourname>@<yoursite>
> connect ftp.u.washington.edu anonymous
> dir
/public/alt.drugs
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> get /public/alt.drugs/000-readme
>
get /public/alt.drugs/000-index
> uuencode /* note: this command is optional and the
default is btoa */
> binary
> get /public/alt.drugs/marijuana-myths.Z
>
quit
This is a sample message of how to retrieve some files from the alt.drugs
archives at ftp.u.washington.edu using bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu:
> % mail
bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu
> Subject: <ignored>
> ftp ftp.u.washington.edu
UUENCODE
> user anonymous
> cd /public/alt.drugs
> dir
>
ascii
> get 000-readme
> get 000-index
> binary
> get
marijuana-myths.Z
> quit
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Both examples would
retrieve a directory of the archive, the two
printable ascii files 000-readme and 000-index,
and the compressed file
marijuana-myths.Z. To recieve files with a ‘.Z’ extension,
you
must set the server to "binary" mode because all the files
are compressed. Those
compressed files are then either sent out uuencoded
or btoa’d. So, you must obtain copies of
the programs ‘uudecode’ (or
‘atob’) and ‘uncompress’ to unpack the files that you will
recieve. ftpmail
gives you a choice of atob’d or uuencoded files — bitftp will only allow
ask your
systems administrator or local computer nerd…
GZIPed .z FILES
—————-
The alt.drugs archive at ftp.u.washington.edu stores all files ending
in the .z extension as "zipped" files. This is not the same as the
PKZIP format. To
extrat them you must obtain a copy of GZIP from any of
the GNU distribution archives (i.e.
prep.ai.mit.edu). GZIP runs on
unix, vms, os/2, amiga and msdos. see the file 000-README-ZIP
for more
information and short notes on compiling it (which is very, very
easy thanks to
GNU’s autoconfiguration utility).
MS-DOS users can get a compiled binary executable from
hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu:/tmp/gzip*.exe.
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POSTING VIA
E-MAIL
—————–
You can post to alt.drugs by sending e-mail to:
alt-drugs@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
alt-drugs@cs.utexas.edu
ANONYMOUS POSTING
There is an alt.drugs anonymous posting service that you can use by
sending mail to ap.4151@cupid.sai.com. Signatures beginning with a line
containing
"–" will be stripped. You must have at least *some* kind of
text on the subject
line and some kind of body text or the message will
be discarded. Posted messages will appear
to originate from an account
at the University of Washington — this is a "feature"
that cannot be
changed, unfortunately. There will also be a posted anonymous address
where other USENET users can reply to you without either of you revealing
your identities to
the other.
There is absolutely no guarantee of security via this service. In
theory all
anyone has to do is hack into the cupid.sai.com machine and
retrieve the master list of
mailing addresses<->anonymous addresses. This
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is what is
meant by the term "these messages are not secure". However, if
all you are concerned
about is (for example) co-workers learning about
posts to alt.drugs, then this service should
produce the necessary degree
of privacy by hiding your name.
USING NNTP
TO POST/READ NEWS
—————————-
You can use NNTP at the following sites.
As far as I know entering the
command "setenv NNTPSERVER <site>" and firing up
your favorite newsprogram
is the way to use any of these — for more information contact your
local
systems adimistrator or computer nerd.
news.cs.indiana.edu (read-only)
news.uni-paderborn.de (read-only)
Also you
can use NNTP at the following sites by telnetting to them…
telnet uwn.edu 119 telnet
129.89.2.1 119
telnet sol.ctr.columbia.edu 119 telnet 128.59.64.40 119
telnet
rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de 119 telnet 129.69.1.12
telnet news.fu-berlin.de 119 telnet
130.133.3.250 119
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 92
From: alt.drugs
FAQ list
Subject: Common FAQs
1) Asking to buy illegal drugs over the
network.
2) Hallucinogenic bannana peels and peanut shells.
3) LSD and strychnine.
5) Commonly used acronyms
on alt.drugs.
You can skip to a specific FAQ by searching for the regular expression
‘^x’
where x is the number of the question you want to read.
1) Asking to buy
illegal drugs over the network.
Grow up, and get a life. Anyone stupid enough to setup
a
transaction over a public network (that could very easily be monitored
by the FBI)
deserves to get caught. Likewise, please don’t send e-mail
to the frequent posters (especially
me), asking to purchase drugs.
2) Hallucinogenic banana peels and peanut shells.
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No. This is an urban legend which was started by the Berkeley
they contained no
hallucinogenic substances. Also, rumors that you can
smoke peanut shells to get high, are
most likely a spin-off of the
banana peel legend. Instructions in The Anarchist Cookbook on
how to
get high from banana peels are bogus (and if you do get some effect,
then
congratulations, you’re a placebo responder).
3) LSD and strychnine.
Your
chances of getting strychnine contaminated _blotter_ LSD,
are probably about the same as your
chances of getting hit by a piece
of the wing sheared off of a passing 747. Strychnine is not
the
cause of tracers, cramps, nausea, or amphetamine-like LSD-effects.
Strychnine is not
needed to bond the LSD to blotter paper. Pure
LSD tartrate/maleate gets absorbed on blotter
quite efficiently all by
itself. Any chemist competent enough to manufacture LSD would know
strychnine
"added" in the process of manufacture.
"Cutting" LSD with strychnine would
be utterly ludicrous due to
the expense of strychnine, and the ease of "cutting" LSD
with the
solvent of your choice, before depositing it on the paper. Its much
more likely
that if someone is going to try and rip someone off, that
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they’ll
just pass off blank blotter paper — its *so* much easier than
trying to lace LSD with
strychnine.
There have been several other theories to explain the existance
of
Strychnine in LSD. They all, however, fall short in one very
critical test. There are no
reports that can be found of Strychnine
poisoning due to the ingestion of laced LSD. If
strychnine was
on LSD, and given strychnine’s high toxicity, and given the number of
people who take rather insane (>100 hits) of LSD, there should be
acid-heads dropping like
flies from strychnine poisoning. This has
not been reported, therefore the likelyhood of
strychnine laced LSD
being sold on the illegal market is small.
And, finally, there have
been analysis of street drugs samples
which have never turned up a sample of strychnine laced
LSD. The
only reports are a few anecdotal ones, and the report in _LSD:
My Problem
Child_. It should be noted that in _LSD:MPC_ the "LSD"
was being sold as a
"white powder". The lesson is to only buy
blotter LSD — its very, very hard to fit
enough adulterants onto a
small square of blotter to effect a person. LSD can only be
distributed in this manner because its effective dose is in the
50-200 microgram range.
Its possible that poorly synthesized LSD might have other ergot
derivatives in it. This *MAY*
be the cause of the various adverse
effects that people report on LSD. Its also possible that
LSD itself
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simply causes adverse physical effects, particularly
muscle cramping,
in persons suceptible to it.
And its quite likely that the
"strychnine" reactions to LSD are
entirely psychosomatic. Both Leary ("The
Psychedelic Experience") and
Lilly ("Programming and Metaprogramming…",
"Center of the Cyclone")
have each observed this reaction in people who cannot
handle the
surge of emotion associated with a trip.
Advice would be to avoid
methylxanthines (caffiene,
theophylline in tea, etc) prior to dosing. There may be a
synergistic effect between them and LSD causing, or contributing, to
the "strychnine
effect". And prior use of dramamine may alleviate
the nausea sometimes associated with
LSD, and other seritonergic
drugs.
4) Making LSD.
LSD is not easy
to make. If you’re seriously interested the
various methods of synthesis can be found in
chemistry journals (see
the Merck Index for a list of references). Also, the book
_Psychedelic
Chemistry_ (available from Loompanics, Unld. — see end of FAQ list)
has
some rather good, referenced info on how to synthesize LSD.
However, do expect to be in *way*
over your head unless you’ve had
at least a few years of college chemistry.
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Please don’t post asking for "simple" instructions on how to
make
LSD. There aren’t. And if you *needed* "simple" instructions to make
LSD,
you’re probably not a good chemist and shouldn’t be attempting
to synthesize it.
Also,
the synthesis instructions in The Anarchist Cookbook are
about 90% bullshit. The
"synthesis" given is at best a recipe for the
extraction of Lysergic Acid Amides
(which is not LSD), and some have
commented that the instructions are still flawed and
dangerous. Also,
the reproduction of the patent on how to make LSD has reported to be
flawed — please don’t trust the A.C and order the patent for yourself.
The A.C. in general is
something which is best to avoid.
An alternative to synthesizing LSD is using LSA from
morning
glory seeds or Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds. See the natural highs
FAQ for more
info on this. Also see the book Psychedelic Chemistry
for a simple procedure to extract the
LSA from the seeds in order to
eliminate contaminants.
5. What does the acronym
[....] stand for?
DARE: Drug Abuse Resistance Education (Gates’ WoD group)
Also:
Deliver Acronyms Rather than Education
Dicks Against Real Education
Drugs Are Really
Excellent
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Do And Really Enjoy
Dope, A Real Enlightenment
DPF: Drug Policy Foundation (anti-WoD group)
FOAF:
Friend of a Friend
HBMG: Heavenly Blue Morning Glory (see MG also)
HBWR,HBWS: Hawaiian
Baby Woodrose Seeds
IMHO: In My [Humble, Honest] Opinion
LAA: Lysergic Acid Amides
LSD: Lysergic Acid Diethylamide
MDA:
3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine
MDMA: 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine
MG: Morning
Glory
N2O: Nitrous Oxide
NO2: Nitrogen Dioxide (which is *quite* poisonous)
NORML:
National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws
PDFA,PTFA: Partnership for a [Drug,
Truth]-Free America (anti-Drug)
WoD,WoSD: War on (Some) Drugs
WRT: With Respect To
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov
92
From: alt.drugs FAQ list
Subject: LSD
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Date: Thu, 07 May 92
From: alt.drugs FAQ list
Subject: MDMA/Ecstasy
(It is also sometimes
called MDM). Slang terms for MDMA include:
Ecstasy, XTC, X, E, Adam, M&M, or M. It should
be noted that the
abbreviation for Mescaline is also M, and that M is used as slang for
MDA in some circles. This could conceivably cause a great deal of
confusion.
There are
a slew of drugs which have names similar to MDMA. Some
with similar effects, some not. The
following is a short run-down:
MDA: 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine. A drug which has
somewhat
more of a stimulant quality than MDMA, while at the same time
having a
"stoning" effect, which MDMA lacks. MDMA is simply
N-methyl MDA.
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MDE: N-ethyl-3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine. N-Ethyl MDA. Also called
effects to MDA.
MMDA: 3-methoxy-4,5-methylenedioxyamphetamine. Similar effects to MDA.
MBDB:
N-methyl-1-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl)-2-butanamine. Also called
‘Eden’ or Methyl-J. It is the
4-carbon chain homologue of
MDMA. This compound does not apparently have any of the
stimulant properties of MDMA or the "stoning" properties of
MDA. It is a
"pure" entactogen.
MPTP: 4-methyl-4-phenyl-1,2,3,6-tetrahydropyridine. This drug
has
damn near *nothing* in common with MDMA. It is created from
an error in the
production of a synthetic opiate and is
metabolized in vivo to MPP+
(1-methyl-4-phenylpyridinium)
which selectively kills dopamine neurons in the striatum
producing a syndrome nearly identical to ideopathic
parkinson’s disease.
In
large doses Ecstasy can cause hallucinations (and a chemical
relative, MDA, causes
hallucinations at lower doses), however it
is not accurate to call it a hallucinogen. Since it
tends to increase
empathy and communication with no ego-disrupting effects, it has been
labeled as either an "entactogen" or "empathogen". Based on its
effects,
there was some speculation that its was a chemical involved
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in the
process of falling in love. This is incorrect, but its
indicative of what the MDMA high feels
like.
MDMA is not technically an amphetamine, in that its effects
are quite dissimilar
to amphetamines. Its amphetamine-like CNS
stimulatory effect is generally considered secondary
to its effect
of being an empathogen/entactogen. It is, however, *chemically*
related to
amphetamines. MBDB, a similar drug to MDMA, is also
chemically related to amphetamines,
however it has no amphetamine-like
effects, and is considered a pure
emphathogen/entactogen.
MDMA is not chemically related to LSD, and really cannot be
compared to LSD. "Bad Trips" on MDMA are extremely rare, and
there is no ego
disruption associated with an MDMA trip like there
is in an LSD trip.
From Ralph
Metzner, presented in an address at a 1983 conference
at the University of California, Santa
Barbara on "Psychedelics
and Spirituality":
Another group of drugs are
the phenethylamines, of which
MDA [and MDMA] is an example. Instead of calling these
"psychedelic drugs," I’d like to suggest the name "empathogenic."
Empathogenic means "empathy generating." Everyone I’ve mentioned
this name to thinks
it is a good one. These drugs don’t produce
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visions as LSD does.
They don’t produce multileveled thinking
or objectivity toward your mind as LSD and the
psychedelics do.
They generate a profound state of empathy for self and other in
the
most general and profound terms. A state of empathy where the
feeling is that the self, the
other, and the world is basically
good, is all right. This state can be referred to as the
ground
of being, the core of our being, a still point of our being.
Then individuals
using these substances in therapy can look
at their own problems from the standpoint of
stillness and
empathy. They are able to do changework on themselves very
rapidly,
compared to ordinary therapy.
MDMA also is not technically an aphrodisiac. It does not
directly
stimulate sexual desire, however its empathogenic effect does tend to
lead to
intimacy. It has been described as a "hug drug".
From Buffman-J, Moser-C,
"MDMA and Human Sexual Function" Journal
of Psychoactive Drugs, Oct 1985:
or sexual desire in a majority of
individuals. For both males
and females, MDMA enhances the sensual aspects of sex. This may
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Almost
half of the males and a third of the females indicated
that they felt more receptive to being
sexual while under the
influence of MDMA, but this effect was not paralleled by an
increased interest in initiating sexual activity in either the
men or the women. While a
majority indicated that they would use
MDMA as a sexual enhancer, most of the subjects who had
used MDMA
during sex reported increased emotional closeness. It is
curious that a drug,
which can increase emotional closeness,
enhance receptivity to being sexual and would be
chosen as a
sexual enhancer, does not increase the desire to have sex.
The subjects who
were surveyed found that MDMA makes orgasm
more difficult to achieve, especially for males.
Erectile
ability was decreased in almost half the males. No other
sexual effects
occurred in a majority of subjects.
It is not a "Designer Drug" created
during the 80’s by underground
chemists. It was first synthesized in 1914 by Dr. Gordon Alles,
and was
used recreationally prior to the 1980’s.
MDMA does *NOT* cause Parkinson’s
disease. This rumor was caused
by an error by Shari Roan in the July 2, 1985 issue of the
Dallas
"Sun Sentinel". She incorrectly attributed this effect to MDMA, when
in
fact it is caused by MPTP, which is a by-product of the incorrect
synthesis of an synthetic
opiate. MPTP shares nothing in common with
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MDMA other than having
an chemical abbreviation which begins with an
‘M’ and has four letters in it.
Likewise,
rumors that MDMA "dries up your spinal fluid" and
similar rumors with respect to
spinal fluid are incorrect. There have
been studies which linked MDMA use to lower levels of
5-HIAA in
cerebrospinal fluid, which is probably where this rumor originated.
This is
not as dramatic as it may sound and may be a spurious
relationship, such that people with
lower levels of 5-HIAA in their
CSF are the ones more likely to use MDMA in the first place.
But, it
may be an indication of some neurotoxic effect of MDMA. However, the
neurotoxic
effect of MDMA disappears in laboratory animals at doses
equivalent to human dose levels.
Also, there are no known behavioral
correlates to this hypothesized neurotoxicity, and an
FDA-approved
drug (fenfluramine) continues to be used chronicly with no reported
adverse
side effects, even though its causes similar types of
neurotoxicity as MDMA. It should also
be noted that alcohol is a
drug which is also slightly neurotoxic, but that typically isn’t
should be cautioned
that MDMA may be neurotoxic and you’re taking
your own risks by ingesting it.
For more
information on MDMA see the specific FAQ on Ecstasy
(available via FTP — see above).
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Date: Thu, 30
Apr 92
From: alt.drugs FAQ list
Subject: Drug Myths
These are all a
variety of things which commonly get passed off as "truth" by
anti-drug groups, such
as the PDFA, DEA, DARE, etc. I have included references
for those interested in more
information.
MYTH: Marijuana causes brain damage or Marijuana gets between nerve
synapses and "widens them up".
This myth is based upon a study done by
Robert G. Heath in the middle
to late 1970’s. Heath claimed to have found brain damage in the
deep
brain sites of three monkeys exposed to marijuana smoke and i.v.
delta-9-THC (one
of the active ingredients in marijuana). This study,
however, has severe flaws in it. Most
importantly is that Heath did not
find any dead brain cells. He found "damage" such
as a change in synaptic
cleft width, and clumping of the synaptic vesicles. These changes are
not
well regarded as being indications of brain damage, and the methods used
to
determine that these changes took place were highly subject to
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bias–which Dr. Health did not control for. In fact the clumping of the
synaptic vesicles,
which Health claimed as being "brain damage", is a
normal variant in the mammalian
brain. Also, two studies published in the
Journal of the American Medical Association in 1977,
found no evidence of
brain damage in the brains of heavy smokers using computerized
tomography
methods.
National Academy of Sciences (U.S.). Institute of Medicine.
Division of
Health Sciences Policy. _Marijuana_and_Health_. Washington: National
Academy
Press. ISBN 0-309-03236-9. LC 81-86534.
MYTH: LSD causes chromosome damage.
article by Norman
I. Dishotsky, William D. Loughman, Robert E. Mogar and
Wendell R. Lipscomb titled "LSD
and Genetic Damage - Is LSD chromosome
damaging, carcinogenic, mutagenic, or
teratogenic?". They reviewed 68
studies and case reports published 1967-1972, concluding
"From our own
work and from a review of literature, we believe that pure LSD ingested
detectable genetic
damage, and is not a teratogen or carcinogen in man."
(Submitted by:
ppennane@plootu.helsinki.fi (Petrus Pennanen)
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The following
sections will be eventually included:
(Whee, more vaporware… In the meantime see Paul
Hager’s marijuana myths
paper at ftp.u.washington.edu in
/public/alt.drugs/marijuana-myths)
MYTH: Marijuana causes reproductive system damage
MYTH: Marijuana causes
breast enlargement in males
MYTH: Marijuana causes immune system damage
MYTH: Marijuana
causes chromosome damage
MYTH: Marijuana potency has increased 10 times since the 1960’s
MYTH: Marijuana is a gateway drug
MYTH: Marijuana metabolites stay in your body for 30 days
and "do things"…
MYTH: Marijuana is more carcinogenic than tobacco
MYTH: LSD
causes chromosome damage
MYTH: Designer Drugs — Custom made chemicals of the ’80s and ’90s
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 92
From: alt.drugs FAQ
list
Subject: Drug Testing
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Beating Drug Metabolite
tests (for informational purposes *only* of course).
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There are
several commonly used drug metabolite tests: EMIT, RIA,
Abuscreen, etc. All of these tests are
reasonably easy to beat, given a
little advance planning. First of all, the drug which is most
easily
tested for is marijuana — its claimed that drug tests can detect
marijuana use
up to two months previous. By following the following
guidelines, its frequently reported that
non-chronic marijuana smoking two
weeks prior to the test still resulted in a negative test
result. Two
weeks, however, is probably the minimum safety allowance.
In order to
prepare for a drug metabolite test, make sure that you
flush your system adequately. Every day
prior to the test, drink at least
eight glasses of liquid (preferably water). Do *NOT*,
however, do this to
excess — you can end up with water intoxication, and people have
actually
overdosed and died off of water. On the day of the test, you likewise
need to
dilute your urine by drinking water — drink 4-6 glasses or so,
and piss until your urine
turns clear. When its clear that means that the
concentration of all the solutes in the urine
is lower *including* the
drug metabolites. This process can be aided by taking some caffiene,
or
the prescription diuretic Lasix (again, don’t overdo anything — there is
nothing to
be gained by drinking more water/taking more diuretics — 80mg
Lasix should be quite
sufficient). The clear dilute urine can also be
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masked by taking
Vitamin B-2 which will color it and make it less
suspicious (use 50-100mg).
Should you
fail the initial test you will most likely be required to
have a confirmatory GC/MS test. For
this test, the best precautions are
abstinence and prayer. You should not smoke between the
time you get
tested for the first time and the results come back — if they’re positive
and you have to take a GC/MS test, you will be screwed. GC/MS tests are
much more sensitive
than the preliminary immunoassays.
There are several substances, some marketed commercially,
which are
reported to interfere with the immunoassays to give a negative test
result.
Generally, these are treated with some skepticism (but if you
really feel like trying
them…). In particular, vinegar and
phenylpropanolamine (Dexatrim) do not work. Zinc Sulfate
is reported to
work — take 250mg the night before, and a few hours before the test — DO
to be effective
screens:
Test Free — Zydot Unlimited Inc.
Box 9485
Tulsa OK 74157
(918) 747-2400
Naturally Klean — Houston Enterprises
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PO Box 27776
Tempe AZ 85285
(602) 968-0773
As a last resort, piss tests can
be doped with chemicals. Bleach
detergent, blood, Draino crystals are reported to work at
least on the
EMIT test (I would not expect them to interfere at all on the GC/MS
tests).
Its apparently not necessary to spike it with a large quantity,
and the chemicals will
noticably effect the urine and could be detected.
For more information see Abbie Hoffman’s
book "Steal this Urine Test".
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 92
From: alt.drugs FAQ list
Subject: Resources [section under
construction]
ORGANIZATIONS:
Drug Policy Foundation
4801
Massachusetts Ave NW, Suite 400. Washington DC 20016-2087 (202)895-1634
The Albert
Hofmann Foundation
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1341 Ocean Avenue, Suite 300. Santa Monica, CA
90401 (213)281-8110
National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML)
NOTE: Another address I’ve got is: 2001
‘S’ Street NW Suite 640. DC 20009
National Drug Strategy Network
2000 L St., NW.
Suite 702. Washington DC 20036
NOTE: Contact esterling@igc.org.
Alliance for
Cannabis Therapeutics (ACT)
PO Box 21210. Kalorama Station. Washington DC 20009
(202)483-8595
The Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS):
23A Shaler Lane. Cambridge, MA 02138 (617)547-7271
BOOKSELLERS:
Books-by-Phone Loompanics Unlimited The Twentieth Century Alchemist
Box 522 P.O. Box 1197 P.O.
Box 1684
Berkeley CA 94701 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Manhattan Beach, CA 90266
(800)
858-2665 USA $5 Catalog $1 Catalog
(800) 992-2665 CA
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(415)
548-2124 INFO
Call for FREE Catalog
BOOKS: [BBP = Books by Phone; LU = Loompanics
Unlimited]
Chemistry –
Shulgin, Alexander "PiHKAL: Phenethylamines I Have
Known and Loved" (BBP)
Smith, Michael Valentine "Psychedelic Chemistry" (LU)
Pharmacology –
Eisner, Bruce "Ecstasy: The MDMA Story" (BBP)
Stafford, Peter "Psychedelic Encyclopedia (3rd ed.)"
Experience –
Adamson, Sophia "Through the Gateway of the Heart" [about MDMA] (BBP)
History
–
Stevens, Jay "Storming Heaven: LSD and the American Dream"
Politics
–
Shulgin, Alexander "The Controlled Substances Act" (BBP)
Hoffman, Abbie
"Steal this Urine Test" (BBP)
"The Case for Legalizing Drugs"
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Reference –
"Physician’s Desk Reference"
"Goodman and Gilman’s Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics"
MAGAZINES:
"The Whole Earth Review"
"High Times"
"Mondo
2000"
MISC:
"Xochi Speaks" + "A Guide to the
Psychedelics"
LordNose!
PO Box 170473Z
San Francisco, CA 94117
US$20
plus US$5 P+H ($10 outside NA)
*VERY* nice poster of drug molecules
over statue of
Xochipilli.
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Article 14383 (353 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Eli Brandt
Subject: Re:
MARIJUANA - Is it harmful?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date:
Fri, 2 Apr 1993 08:33:04 GMT
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In article
<C4uA7p.Cq4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ecb41215@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (sexonwheelz
) writes:
>what do mean by unfiltered bong? a bong, by definition is filtered because
>the water
removes almost ALL of the carcinogens present in marijuana.
I doubt it. The carcinogens
are quite similar to THC in their
water solubility (i.e. not hardly), and probably not too
different
in volatility. So I doubt they’ll be effectively removed. If
anybody knows of
a study comparing what goes into and what comes out
of a bong, I’d really like to see it.
Anybody have the
instrumentation to do one?
>Nicotine has a half life of 21.5
years in the lungs, and its
>radioactivity causes cancer.
I’m sure *something*
radioactive has a half-life of 21 years, but
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nicotine is not it.
BTW, could somebody run by me the theory as to
why cannabis would not contain the radioactive
materials that
tobacco is supposed to?
>Besides, eating or drinking marijuana
would eliminate lung cancer
>dangers altogether.
Agreed.
>sexonwheelz
PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail
Eli
ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
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Article 14384 (352 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Eli Brandt
Subject: Price
Project report for March
Keywords: cooperation
Organization: Harvey Mudd College,
Claremont CA 91711
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 08:38:59 GMT
Lines: 138
Price
Project report, March ‘93
This information has been collected through e-mail from a
number of
helpful people who contributed data. If you have similar
information, I
encourage you to send it in — see the
simultaneously-posted "Price Project
reminder" for details. For
reasons of paranoia, I will point out that all information
Contributions to this
report: 10
Nation: Australia
(prices in $Aus; $A1.00 = $US0.67)
[encyclopedic report, great!]
Location: Sydney (and Melbourne)
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tobacco: $5 for pack of 25 or so.
alcohol: "you might expect to pay $2 for 285 ml in a
pub, @5% EtOH."
marijuana: leaf $50-$100 oz.; bud $25/g or $300-$450/oz., "highly
hash: $30/g, $400-$500 per ounce. Supply, quality generally
good.
mescaline: from Trichocereus, about $10 per trip.
DMT: from natural sources.
Kava-kava: from Fijian stores, $3-$6 per `trip’, $12/400g root.
ketamine: sometimes available,
$100 for vial of 20 IV doses.
speed: $50/g where manufactured in Melbourne, $100/g and less
pure
in Sydney.
MDMA: hard to get, particularly in Melbourne. "Price has hit
$50-$70
in Sydney, $60-$80 in Melbourne." Of variable quality, sometimes
cut with
speed.
MDA: pink caps, $50 each. "Very pure, 100mg."
Rohypnol (a
benzodiazepine): commonly abused, $5 each.
shrooms: almost never sold, available in season.
Very rare in
Sydney. "Also, `Blue Meanies’, which are Panaeolus and have a
greater
reputation for causing `out of stomach’ experiences."
nitrous: "10 bulbs are $3.88
from Coles or Franklins."
Amyl nitrite: "c.$15/15 ml from sex shops."
LSD: $20-25; $25-30 in Melbourne.
qty 10: $15-20; $20-25 ".
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"Content varies considerably, and various patterns become notorious,
e.g. Blue Sperm
as weak, Red Devils as strong, and so on.
Generally easy to get in Sydney, not at all easy in
Melbourne
Haven’t seen gels for a long time, and never seen `microdots’."
"Something on blotter which is not LSD:
This turns up occasionally. Supposedly someone
(rumoured as Northern
New South Wales in origin) is producing trips which come on chunky
blotters, about 0.5-1mm thick, and about 8*8 mm. Variously known
as Voids, Tables and Chairs,
etc, the pattern changes but not the
format. These are generally cheaper - e.g. $10 each, and
have a
bitter flavour and a bad reputation for physical side-effects and
extreme
duration (18-48 hours). Conjectured to be DOB or DOM etc."
"Exotics: various
things turn up in Syd, esp. in the hard-core dance
scene, e.g. "Ice" (aminorex?) ,
"Utopia" (???), "Eve" (MDE?) etc. etc."
Nation: Canada
Location: Toronto
marijuana: $8 to $15 per gram, "excellent to good". Presently
$10.
LSD: $2 to $5 a hit. Presently $3.
shrooms: "grow wild (really!) all over the
bloody place"
–MORE–(54%)
Nation: Finland
(5.9 FIM = $1
US)
Location: unspecified
LSD: 100 FIM per hit.
MDMA: 240-400 FIM per dose.
speed: 300 FIM per 700 mg., "good stuff"
heroin: 2000 FIM per gram.
hash: 80
FIM per gram, "usually pretty good"
"All of these except hash are hard or very
hard to get, and the
prices.."
Nation: The Netherlands
Location:
unspecified
LSD: 10 Hfl for "very good and strong (250 mikes)" hit; Buddhaas,
Dragons, Barts, and Greenpeace.
shrooms: 25 Hfl/2 grams, Ps. semilanceata.
MDA: 30-35
Hfl per dose.
MDE: ditto.
MDMA: 35-40 Hfl per dose, less available than the above two.
"MDE
and MDMA pills often include some speed."
ketamine: 50 Hfl per dose.
[ Hey, don't they make whipped
cream chargers? 
]
–MORE–(67%)
speed: 30-35 Hfl per gram.
cocaine:
130-150 Hfl per gram.
hash: 6+ Hfl per gram.
"Don’t buy anything on the
street in A’dam, you’ll get ripped off!
Quality of drugs in Holland is usually excellent due
to low police pressure,
informed customers and widespread testing."
Nation:
South Africa
(1 rand = $0.40 US)
marijuana: "top quality", R1 for 2 joints;
R20 a "parcel" (20cm cube).
Nation: U.S.
State: Florida
Location:
(southern)
marijuana: $40 per quarter for good stuff, or $50 per eighth for
excellent
sinse (hard to find).
LSD: "golden shield" is $3.50 a hit; "key" was $5
while available;
both good.
MDMA: very rare, $25 a dose.
shrooms: grow wild
cocaine: "hard to find but good quality"
–MORE–(79%)
State:
New Hampshire
Location: Plymouth
marijuana: $20 or $25 per eighth, "usually a
pretty skimpy eighth."
State: New York
Location: Buffalo
Marijuana:
$30 an eighth, $60 a quarter. Good quality, not too hard to find.
LSD: $3 a hit. Quality
varies, availibility not so good.
Crack: $5 a piece. Very easy to come by.
State: Texas
Location: San Antonio
marijuana: "very sticky" Mexi $25-$35
quarter, $80-$120 oz.,
$200-$300 1/4 lb. "Dry, seedy and harsh" $20-$20 per
quarter.
Pine [whazzat?], "three toke high", $30+ per quarter.
Skunk, was
available early Feb., "EXCELLENT!!!", $35+ per qtr.
Random stuff $25+ per
quarter.
LSD: "getting harder to find", $4-$6 a hit: white, test tubes,
musical notes, or little colored dots.
shrooms: $25 for 10 gr., or pick your own.
cocaine: $25 for 250 mg., $65 a sixteenth oz., $100-$175 an eighth.
Location:
Dallas/Ft. Worth area
–MORE–(94%)
marijuana: $100/oz, "apparently pretty
good".
shrooms: $30/gram, excellent quality.
LSD: "$10/hit, if you can get it.
Quality unknown."
Location: Houston
LSD: "wildmage", $5/hit,
"extremely variable doses on the paper".
Orange Buddha $3-$5, "moderate in
potency". (bought in jail and
mailed out in a letter)
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Article 14385 (351 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Eli Brandt
Subject: Price
Project reminder
Keywords: cooperation
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA
91711
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 09:21:34 GMT
Lines: 41
Reminder: the
Internet Drug-Price Project
Have you ever wondered how the prices of controlled
substances vary
the world over? Or what effect law-enforcement efforts have on the
price, availability, and quality of drugs? Available data on
illicit-substance availability is
sparse and often regional. Here’s
your chance to help find the answers to these questions.
What you need to do is send me current, accurate information on
illicit substances
in your area. Every month or so, or more often
if data volume permits, I’ll post a summary to
alt.drugs. If
someone with an ftp site allows it, I’ll put cumulative data there.
Although possession of such knowledge is neither illegal nor
–MORE–(55%)
incriminating, you may prefer to send it anonymously. You can put
an "X-Anon-To:
ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu" header in mail to
anon@anon.penet.fi, or mail to
ebrandt%jarthur.claremont.edu@
anon.penet.fi if you can’t add headers. (I’m not sure what
penet’s
present status is, but I think this will work. Or you can go
through the
charcoal.com remailer.) All mail received will be
sanitized. You may wish to encrypt mail
before letting it leave
your machine; see my .sig if you have PGP.
What I
want:
o Any identifying features.
o Price. Mention the total quantity, too.
o
Quality/description.
o Availability.
o Location.
o Approximate date of purchase
or offer.
What I don’t want:
o Specific information on how to score. This is not
a tourist
guide; it’s a sociological research project.
Along with your data,
please send me any suggestions you have.
–MORE–(96%)
PGP 2 key by finger
or e-mail
Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
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Article 14386 (350 more) in alt.drugs:
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
From: Peter
Berck
Subject: Re: LSD & Pregnancy
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 93 11:11:13
GMT
Organization: KUB, The Netherlands
Nntp-Posting-Host: itkdsa.kub.nl
Lines:
26
In article <1pgc45INNq1f@shelley.u.washington.edu>, lamontg@u.washington.edu
wri
tes:
|> gosh, it would be really nice if you’d do us all a favor and come
out of
|> the 60’s and shut up about strychnine. in the 90’s acid comes on 5mm x 5mm
|> blotter squares most of the time, and strychnine is next to non-existant.
|>
|> however, you’re basic *point* is correct. you don’t know what kind of
|> lysergic
acid or phenethylamine derivatives you’re getting…
|>
Around here the LSD
is usually ‘contaminated’ with speed. (I hope
that’s not the same as strychnine!). Anyway,
when you take it, the
effect of the speed hits you first, and then the LSD starts. The
–MORE–(71%)
speed wears off faster than the LSD. People often complain that
it
is (nearly) impossible to get uncontaminated LSD…
Oh, anyone know how difficult it is
to make your own LSD? Does it
take a full laboratory? OR could any chemistry student do
this?
-Peter (Keeper of the Divina Commedia)
——————————————————————
pberck@kub.nl
(format
t "~&~{~<~%~1:;~a~>~^,~}.~%"
‘(DoD#-337 cx-500 Sonic-Youth
The-Icicle-Works Lush
Dante-Alighieri Guinness))
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Article 14387 (349 more) in alt.drugs:
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From:
"Paul Hager" <hagerp@cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: WoD: Frontline
Report — 30-March-1993
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 2
Apr 1993 07:48:42 -0500
Lines: 35
lenivch@maclaurin.mit.edu (Witold Biedrzycki)
writes:
>Paul Hager writes:
>>Model looked at
>>emergency room mentions for marijuana and other drugs and
>>observed the same
kind of negative correlation that Chaloupka had
>>found with alcohol. I again stated
that the bill would not have
>>the desired effect. Landske still didn’t get it. She
said,
>>won’t the bill reduce marijuana consumption?
>One problem is
that legislators are, like most of Americans,
>mathematically impaired and don’t even
understand the concept of
>correlation.
–MORE–(50%)
Indeed.
Model’s paper, in particular, is thick with mathematical
formulae. But, her conclusions are in
plain English that even
a math-impaired Indiana legislator can understand — I think.
In
this instance, however, I think reason is less important than
politics: the perception that
constituents want the legislator
to be tough on crime and to prosecute the drug war. One
thing
I thought about saying was that the camera’s were gone and it
was therefore
possible to let this bill quietly die without its
being a media event. I think that would have
been too provocative
so, fortunately, I restrained myself. Incidentally, our legislative
intern said she’d work on them and there was a possibility, given
a Friday deadline (today)
for reporting bills out of committee, that
she might convince them to let this one expire. I’m
expecting a
report from her in the next couple of days.
—
paul hager
hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu
"I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own
safety’s sake."
–from _A_Man_for_All_Seasons_ by Robert Bolt
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Article 14388 (348 more) in alt.drugs:
Newsgroups: alt.rave,alt.drugs
From: Robin J
Green
Subject: Re: Phantom of the Opera?
Nntp-Posting-Host: pooh
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993
13:11:18 GMT
Lines: 30
In article <1993Apr2.090846.3929@csd.uwe.ac.uk>
pa_ross@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Paul Ross
) writes:
>I think it would be beneficial to us all
if we compiled a list of E’s and what
>exactly is inside them as now days you can’t be sure
what your buying. I’ll
>start the ball rolling with what I BELIEVE are in the different
E’s
>
> ‘E’ Ingredients
>
> China White MDMA, Smack, Ketamine
(or acid not sure)
> Yellow Biscuits MDMA, smack
> Clear capsules MDMA, speed
> Blue Barrels MDMA, speed
> White Doves MDMA
–MORE–(76%)
> Love Doves MDMA
>
>Anyone got anymore ?
White Burgers MDMA, speed
Black & Red Varies - MDMA,
Speed, Cocaine
Snowball MDMA, lots of Smack (leaves you monged out)
Snowball is
very prevolant in Birmingham recently, led to New Religion
club night slowing it’s trance down
to a grind a couple of times. It
gets around that much.
>
>Paul
>
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Article 14389 (347 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Thor Lancelot Simon
Subject:
Does mj go stale?
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993
10:14:01 GMT
Lines: 28
After a long period of abstinence, someone much like
myself hypothetically
finds himself designated head chef and chief taster for a number of
So this
person remembers that he has a rather old $20 bag (of rasins, of
course lying around
somehwere, finds it, and fries the contents in butter
as recommended in the FAQ, and as he’s
seen done before with good results.
But then he starts to wonder. After a certain period of
bacchanalian
excess, he decided as previously mentioned to give it a break for a while.
So this bag of…raisins…has spent about a month and a half sitting on
his shelf. When he
opened it, it did not seem to evince the heady aroma he
knows its compatriots did when they
were purchased. And he realizes that he’s
never actually let raisins sit on the shelf quite
this long before eating
them. The question: do raisins go stale? Does marijuana go stale?
And
why am I calling marijuana raisins? What’s a good indicator of whether
bud’s gone
stale or not, if it can? Do tell me it’s not the noted lack of
–MORE–(72%)
aroma. Actually, the butter was produced a few weeks ago; since then it’s
sat in a freezer,
where I assume nothing has happened to it chemically.
Is this a fair assumption? I can’t see
why not — but on both counts,
enquiring minds want to know. Mail me — I’ll post a summary.
Actually,
oughtn’t this be in the FAQ? I didn’t see it there, but maybe I’m blind.
All
that masturbation, don’t ya know? Goodness, I’m terrible.
—
Thor
Lancelot Simon tls@panix.COM
"I’m guided by the beauty of our weapons." —
Leonard Cohen
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Article 14390 (346 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Keith Lewis
Subject: Re: Hair
as fertilizer?
Nntp-Posting-Host: aera8700.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE
Corporation
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 14:13:31 GMT
Lines: 17
In article
<rbfC4u5y9.Hpn@netcom.com>, rbf@netcom.com (Bruce Ferrell) writes:
>Does anyone know
what kinds of tests are run by blockbuster… I’ve been
>able to find references for blood
and urine testing for metabolites, but so
>far absolutely no references for testing hair.
Can they really be running
>gas chromatograph tests for minimum wage jobs?
There is a very cheap and inaccurate test they run on hair. The positive
samples are re-tested
with a more expensive test (possibly gas
chromatography).
I think it’s time for
me to re-state my appeal to all pot smokers to apply
for a job at Blockbuster, even if you
don’t want one. Make those bastards
pay for restricting individual liberty.
–Keith Lewis klewis@mitre.org "Mr. Cheap"
–MORE–(91%)
I don’t dance
to music; music dances to me. Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the
opinions of my employer.
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Article 14391 (345 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Marquis de Freud
Subject: Re:
Fun with DARE stickers
Date: 2 Apr 93 13:26:17 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and
public access system
Lines: 27
mrc65@cas.org writes:
>
> The Columbus, Ohio area was flooded with a series of ribbons worn on the ches
> that
read, "My Choice- Drug Free." They were distributed at a local supermark
>
> It wasn’t long before I changed a few dozen to "My Choice-PERIOD", and return
> them to the bin at the store.
>
> MRC
> —
> Michael R.
Cirivello INTERNET: mrc65@cas.org
> Librarian/Info Junkie *Just say Know!* AOL:
mrc3000@aol.com
>
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Obligatory
Fanaticisms: MST3KDavidByrneMacintoshFrisbeeGolfTheFirstAmendment
–MORE–(74%)
About 10 years ago, the Fundamentalists had a massive bumper-sticker campaign
with
a sticker that said "Kids Need To Pray" in stencil-style letters.
With a
little adhesive paper and a $1.89 stencil kit, many of them became
"Kids Need To
Fuck".
I know, it’s not drug-related. But it was REAL fun!
——
The Cellar BBS - (215) 539-3043
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Article 14394 (344 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Fwd: FREE
NRA MEMBERSHIP OFFER
Nntp-Posting-Host: etlxd22n.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson
Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 15:48:40 GMT
Lines: 9
I’d
heard a lot of stories about America, now it seems it’s true.
People do take drugs and
shoot guns. The sad part is that you’ll get arrested
for taking drugs. Even sadder than that
is the guy who posted the ad for the
gun club in the first place.
Hunting is for
absolute fuckwits only. Put down your guns and pick up a
spliff you’ll see life for what it
really is, the living and not the killed.
seeya,
Rob
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Article 14395 (343 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Steve Gardner
Subject: Re:
Good news for pot smokers
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 15:58:40 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host:
imagine.convex.com
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Corp. The opinions
expressed are those of the user and
not necessarily those of CONVEX.
Lines: 21
>The long
awaited NIH study on the effects of marijuana was released today,
[. . .]
>Most
people who had been following this work, had expected very
>negative (for the drug using
community) conclusions, given the results of
>past NIH sponsored research (NIH is stocked
with directors from Reagan/Bush).
All riiiiight! Maybe there is a god after all. 
>and he said:
"More testing needs to be done, but this may be a time to
>reexamine the government
position regarding marijuana, based upon real
>science, and not the hysterical claims of
the past. There’s no doubt in
–MORE–(81%)
>my mind that some people are able
to function at the highest levels,
>while using marijuana recreationally. [at this point, I
thought he winked
>into the camera, but my roomate disagreed (his eyes are such slits
anyway!!!]"
>incredible
Atta boy Bill, I knew you could do it. Bill, this bong
hit’s
for you.
smg
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Article 14396 (342 more) in alt.drugs:
From: A curious orange
Subject: Re:
LSD & Pregnancy
Date: 2 Apr 93 16:09:13 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Telecom,
Stockholm, Sweden
Lines: 20
Nntp-Posting-Host: etlxd22n.ericsson.se
In
article 29566@kub.nl, pberck@kub.nl (Peter Berck) writes:
In article
<1pgc45INNq1f@shelley.u.washington.edu>, lamontg@u.washington.edu wri
tes:
>Around here the LSD is usually ‘contaminated’ with speed. (I hope
>that’s not
the same as strychnine!). Anyway, when you take it, the
>effect of the speed hits you
first, and then the LSD starts. The
>speed wears off faster than the LSD. People often
complain that
>it is (nearly) impossible to get uncontaminated LSD…
Correct
me if I’m wrong, but assuming you get your acid on blotter, how on
earth can you get an
effective amount of speed into such a small tab.
I also don’t see the point as acid is so
cheap to produce and sell, why
would a manufacturer (or a dealer) put a more expensive drug
in with it.
–MORE–(84%)
Seeya,
Mr Bratwurst and his Trained
Oranges
P.S.- A drug taking chemistry student who doesn’t know the difference
between
speed and strychnine. Now that’s scary.
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Article 14397 (341 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Michael Shoffeitt
Subject:
Re: LSD in the great outdoors
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 93 11:30:15 EST
Organization: iig -
imagination is god
Lines: 14
NNTP-Posting-Host: nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu
X-Newsreader:
NNR/VM S_1.3.2
>
> I had an amazing experience over my spring break I
thought I’d share.
>Some friends of mine and I drove down to Moab, Utah to check out some
of the
>great parks they have there. On the day we went hiking through Canyonlands,
I would certainly have to agree with your observation. I also tripped
in the Great
Smokey Mountains (north Carolina). I had the best time I’ve ever
had on drugs…. One
suggestion though… If you can, try camping out for three
or more days…. The reason - you
can hike for a day, set up your camp and prepa
your surroundings (make torches, get firewood
etc…) before you take the
drugs… This way, you can wait till the next day and trip without
any problems.
You also still have a day to relax, and recover…
Michael….
Article 14398 (340 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Michael Shoffeitt
Subject:
Re: Fun with DARE stickers
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 93 11:34:35 EST
Organization: University of
Florida, NERDC
Lines: 10
NNTP-Posting-Host: nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu
X-Newsreader:
NNR/VM S_1.3.2
With all these neat acronyms in mind, I saw a T-shirt in Key
West
during Spring break…
Just Say N O
2
Well, hopefully you
get the idea, the two was very small - referring
to nitrous of course.
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Article 14399 (339 more) in alt.drugs:
From: markm@wri.com
Subject: Re:
LSD, ergot & migrane medicine
Nntp-Posting-Host: fiji.wri.com
Organization: Wolfram
Research, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 16:58:17 GMT
Lines: 38
In article
<Z2RB2B2w165w@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us>
jrd@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R.
Dean) writes:
> ad197@Freenet.carleton.ca (Richard Stride) writes:
>
>
>
> > I don’t think a pharmaceutical company would sysnthesize an Ergot akaloid
>
> and market it for migranes. It would raise a whole new debate over the
> >
legalization of LSD-25 a more potent relative.
> >
> > But then again you
probably already new most of this…
> >
> > —
> > Richard
Stride…
> > ad197@freenet.carleton.ca
–MORE–(58%)
> >
‘Master Myoclonis Meets Mephisto’
>
> I’ve used ergotamine. Besides being
ineffective for most people
> with migraines, it is NOT psychoactive.
>
> However, it can be used as the base for synthesizing LSD-25, or
> so it is claimed.
> ————-
>