Article 14673 (68 more) in alt.drugs:
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs
From: Taxi
Driver
Subject: Re: Prozac and Insomnia
Organization: University of
Chicago
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 05:10:04 GMT
Lines: 43
>
>I found
the opposite. I became hypersomnic on prozac. I slept an
>average of 12 hours a day and
could go 15 if I wanted to. The only bad
>side effects I found were amotivation and one
very uncharacteristic
>episode of severe interpersonal violence. Shortly after my episode
I
>began hearing the bad rap it was getting for that and switched to
>Wellbutrin
and the lost energy and motivation were restored fully and
>then some. I don’t like prozac
myself. The only good thing I found
>about it was that I didn’t *feel* depressed. All of
the remaining
>symptomology of depression remained including absolutely no libido
>but I didn’t care a whit. It wasn’t until I switched that I realized
>what I had been
missing for a couple years.
>
>One person’s experience only!
>
–MORE–(58%)
>Peace,
>
>Bob
>–
>Bob Cain
rcain@netcom.com 408-358-2007
>
> ‘The meek shall inherit the earth–the rest of
us will move on..’
> Sameer Parekh
>
>
> PGP 1.0 or 2.0 public
key available on request.
Yeah, same here. Prozac is a nasty solution to depression.
Sure, I wasn’t
depressed, but that was because I was sleeping 12 hours a day. I switched to
Anafranil (chlomipramine) which elicited less side effects, but everyone
around me
swore I was some kind of dope-fiend because my pupils were constantly
dilated to full iris.
Then again, I’m not sure Anafranil’s an
anti-depressant… I ended up not taking that either.
The side effects were
just too much. Now if they could just come up with an otherwise
harmless
anti-depressant…
C
–MORE–(93%)
–
————–
"Things happen or they don’t happen, that’s
all. Nothing is
accomplished by sweat and
struggle. Nearly everything which we call
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Article 14674 (67 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Daniel Robert Mittelstadt
Newsgroups:
alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Bong query
Date: 8 Apr 1993
05:36:40 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Summary: Bong query
What do you
find is the best fluid to put in a bong, and hot or cold? I’ve
tried coffee, which seems to be
nice.
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Article 14675 (66 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Daniel Robert Mittelstadt
Subject: Marijuana cooking
Date: 8 Apr 1993 06:23:42 GMT
Organization: Computing
Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Lines: 9
NNTP-Posting-Host:
129.89.7.4
Summary: Marijuana cooking
Also, does anyone have any recipes or
experiances with cooking with
Marijuana, ie, brownies?
d
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Article 14676 (65 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Jesus Christ on XTC
Newsgroups:
wpi.test,alt.discordia,bit.listserv.fnord-l,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Tim Leary
Organization: Russell Street UN*X Consultations
Lines:
22
NNTP-Posting-Host: banzai.wpi.edu
[note: a.s.h. dropped because there's no
reason for it in this thread]
rint69@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (rintoul bradley e) writes:
>I admire the dude a little, but when he goes back and looks at stuff
>he thought of and
believed in in the past and calls it "a bunch of
>shit" I dunno.
you would rather someone stagnate than grow?
Or is it just that you desire heros or
some such bullshit to look up to and
they’re supposed to be ‘constant’?
…I
think I need to check out of this reality for a while and come back when
things get a bit more
meaningful…
–MORE–(76%)
joe, feeling a bit peeved that he had to WORK
instead of asking tim for a
chat…
—
Disclaimer: "I’m the only one foolish
enough to claim these opinions as mine."
crimson@wpi.wpi.edu jzp@gene.ummed.edu
jprovo@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Russell Street UN*X Consultations and Development (NIC handle: JZP)
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Article 14677 (64 more) in alt.drugs:
From: James Halley
Subject: Leary’s
"You Can Be Anyone This Time Around"
Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 8 Apr 93 07:16:30 GMT
Lines: 26
This
group is far more fitting for this post than any of the
specific music newsgroups, IMHO… so
here goes.
I just recieved a copy of Timothy Leary’s "You Can Be Anyone This
Time
Around," which I had to order, and the first time I sat down to listen
to it,
it just BLEW MY MIND…
If you’re unfamiliar with it, it only has three tracks (for
about 30
minutes total time), but the quality of the three songs is just
amazing. The
first track "Live and Let Live" has Stephen Stills on
guitar, and Jimi Hendrix on
BASS, as well as Buddy Miles on drums and
John Sebastian playing rhythm guitar (I think). It
is incredible.
Is anybody else familiar with this recording?
–MORE–(75%)
I ordered it from Rykodisc through a local record store… $15.
equivalent of a
full-blown LSD trip."
–
Jamey Halley - phaedrus@camelot.bradley.edu
"I’m just a man… but I try to be a human man."
— John Wesley
Harding
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Article 14678 (63 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Ahren Reed
Subject: Re: Long
term effects fr
Date: 8 Apr 1993 01:25:20 -0700
Organization: Stanford University
Lines: 79
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu
Eli-
health problems,"
because of two things, those being addiction and
withdrawl. However; I was under the
impression that withdrawl could
be fatal, which is not usually the case.
If
anyone is interested in learning more about this drug, I would
like to recommend the following
book:
Heroin, Myths and Reality
by: Jara A. Krivanek pub. 1988, Allen &
Unwin
Our discussion originally stemmed from the question: How bad is
heroin
withdrawl? Then it led to flames about "health problems",
–MORE–(22%)
tobacco withdrawl, etc… Here is a section from _Heroin, Myths and
Reality_ that discribes
addicts and withdrawl:
"The development of physical dependence depends as much
on
regularity of use as on the ammount actually used. In pratice, the
vast majority of
addicts fo not use heroin consistently on an
ongoing basis. Less than half of the addicts who
have been on the
streets for more than a year will have used daily for that period
(Johnson, 1978). They may voluntarily withdraw to reduce their
tolerance, or the scene may be
temporarily too much of a hassle, or
they may have an important engagement such as a trial, at
which an
appearance of addiction would be undesirable. Or they may simply
need a rest.
During such times, physical dependence may virtually
disappear, yet they will still think of
themselves and describe
themselves as addicts. In other cases, the users may never use
enough drug to develop significant physical dependence. Senay
(1986) estimates that between 25
per cent and 40 per cent of street
addicts are not physically dependent. Nevertheless, such
‘chippers’
may wish to see themselves as addicts for reasons of their own, and
will so
describe themselves.
The withdrawl syndrome we have been discussing is what is
termed
‘primary’ or ‘early’ abstinance. A substantial portion of the
–MORE–(51%)
physical symptoms of this stage seem to depend on the activity of a
part of the
brainstem called the locus coeruleus. Opiates depress
this area and it would therefore be
expected to become hyperactive
during withdrawl. The locus coeruleus is an important centre in
the
brain’s fear-alarm system, and such hyperactivity would be
consistent with the
marked anxiety and agitation withdrawing addicts
report. Fortunately for withdrawing addicts,
other drugs beside the
opiates can depress this region and one of them is clonidine.
Clonidine is generally used as an anti-hypertensive agent, but in
1978 Gold and his colleagues
reported that it could supress or
reverse the symptoms of opiate withdrawl. Subsequent work
has shown
that this reversal is by no means complete, but there seems no doubt
that
clonidine can make opiate withdrawl much more comfortable.
Even if clonidine is not
used, medical detoxification is usually
accomplished by giving decreasing doses of a
long-acting opiate like
methadone. Aftr a few weeks of this, the patient is usually
opiate-free without having suffered any appreciable physical
discomfort. Since a percentage of
the methadone marketed for
medical use finds its way into the streets, many addicts also
detox
themselves this way without formal medical help. Still others detox
‘cold
turkey’–without any pharmacological help at all. They simply
tell their friends they have the
flu, go to bed, and suffer in
–MORE–(82%)
relative silence.
Medical supervision and assistance is certainly not essential for
successful withdrawl."
–pages 88 and 89
That was immediate withdrawl. The author goes on to say, "the
elimination and in the case of
heroin most major symptoms should be
gone within seven to ten days."
He then
describes, "A protracted abstinence syndrome follows
withdrawl from both heroin and
methadone and…
lasts at least 31 weeks after withdrawl, and perhaps longer. Blood
pressure, pulse rate, body temperature and pupil diameter seem to be
the main physiological
variables affected. Behaviourally, the
subject shows an increased propensity to sleep and
there are
negative changes in mood and feeling state."
–Ahren
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Article 14679 (62 more) in alt.drugs:
From: an9383@anon.penet.fi
Subject:
Speed
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Date:
Thu, 8 Apr 1993 09:46:29 GMT
Lines: 10
What are the adverse health effects
of the regular (once a week) use
of amphetamines and/or methamphetamines?
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Article 14680 (61 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Adam Heath Clark
Subject: MJ
and water solubility
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 8
Apr 93 10:14:37 GMT
Lines: 11
I read in this newsgroup a while ago that none of
the components of marijuana
smoke were very water soluble, which is contrary to what I’ve
always been
told.
Anybody know about this? Along the same lines, anybody know
about how much
tar, etc. gets filtered out in a bong? Does this depend at all on the depth
Thanks,
Adam
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Article 14681 (60 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Pentti Arvela
Subject: Re: Dr.
Albert Hof(f)man(n) - dead or alive? Where?
Organization: Oulu University
Date: Thu, 8
Apr 1993 06:30:18 GMT
Lines: 5
I think Dr. Hoffman lives still in a very nice
small house near Basel.
He has been retired for many years. I once met him by Sandoz and I
must
say that it was an experience to hear his storys about LSD and Psilocybe
If you
need to contact him you can always ask his address from Sandoz
Basel.
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Article 14682 (59 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Mike Page
Subject: Re:
RE:coca-cola=lemonade
Organization: Trent University, Peterborough
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993
11:08:56 GMT
In article <114108@bu.edu>, LKEYS@BUPULA.BU.EDU (clementine)
writes:
>> I read that thread a while back about coca-cola tasting like
>>
lemonade when you’re on LSD, and something funny just happened…
>>
>> We
just ordered pizza, and I had a cig (hand-rolled Drum) to clear
>> my palate of the
prosciutto. I take a couple of drags, and have a sip
>> of Coca-cola and WHAM! It tasted
like lemonade for a second!!
>
>
>All of this is sounding vaguely
familiar….when I was in junior high/high
>school some friends and I would get stoned and
then drink cokes…something
>way back in my memory is recalling that we were amazed that
it tasted like
>lemons….it’s pretty hard to drag back a stoned memory from 15 years in
the
>past…(although I can remember the way my first pipe fit in my hand as though
>I held it just yesterday)
Up here in Canada, there are many useful types of drugs.
The most common
–MORE–(68%)
one a group of us use is LSD, Wow, could you
imagine an entire country
like Canada on acid. Its like all the igloos turn into giant
breasts and
one would just die to jump onto one and suck the top of it. Or could you
think of all the wasted space we have turning into a giant sea of cum and
learn that it was
the First Lady’s of the U.S. where she has fucked every
eskimo poosible while selling rights
of your oil fields.
You drug trippers in the U.S. are all the same, you abuse and you
dont
learn , why do you think that you have such a drug problem
"What a strange long trip its been"
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Article 14683 (58 more) in alt.drugs:
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs
From:
Brian Sassone
Subject: Re: Smart drugs FTP sites??
Organization: Unisys,
Salt Lake City
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 05:45:31 GMT
Lines: 17
There’s
a great *book* with all that info:
Smart Drugs and Nutrients
Dean/Morgenthaler
P.O. Box 483
Santa Cruz, CA 95061-0483
1-800-669-2030
**************************************************************************
-bS "A happy
face,
brians@ios.convergent.com a funkin’ bass,
–MORE–(87%)
A lowly raver
without a glowstick. for a loving race."
**************************************************************************
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Article 14684 (57 more) in alt.drugs:
From: rob
Subject: Re: Fwd: FREE
NRA MEMBERSHIP OFFER
Nntp-Posting-Host: etlxd22p.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson
Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 14:15:00 GMT
Lines: 62
In
article 1pui5cINNsi3@CS.UTK.EDU, dfoster@hydra3b.cs.utk.edu (D. Slade Foster)
writes:
> In article <1993Apr2.154840.5866@ericsson.se>, etlrbsy@etlxd22n.etlxd ( Rob )
writes:
> |> I’d heard a lot of stories about America, now it seems it’s true.
> |> People do take drugs and shoot guns. The sad part is that you’ll get arr
ested
> |> for taking drugs. Even sadder than that is the guy who posted the ad fo
r the
> |> gun club in the first place.
> |> Hunting is for absolute
fuckwits only. Put down your guns and pick
up a
> |> spliff you’ll see life for
what it really is, the living and not the ki
lled.
–MORE–(36%)
> |>
seeya,
> |> Rob
> |>
>
>
>
> I like
to hunt, but that’s beside the point. You deserve all the mail
> you get for making such an
uninformed, knee-jerk statement…on alt.drugs
> of all places!
> –Slade
What is uninformed about it? In this day and age there is absolutely no
necessity to go hunting, except for satisfying your blood-lust.
You might bring up the age
old hunters excuse of pest control, but ther
e
are far more efficient methods of
prevention and cure.
From things I have seen and read the animals targetted are far from pe
anyway.
As an example, I’ve seen videos and documentaries of the wild-cat hunts
in
North
–MORE–(60%)
America which have driven some species near to
extinction.
As for being uninformed, as far as hunting goes I am a member of the
League
Against Cruel Sports and (here in England) have actively particip
ated
in the sabotage
of fox and deer hunting.
I admit that I know absolutely nothing about the NRA, perhaps you
The only good excuse for having a
gun in America as far as I can
see is for protection against other people who have been
allowed to
carry guns in the name of FREEDOM.
Perhaps my view would be different had I
been born on the other side of
the atlantic. But here in Britain (and Europe) the use of guns
is strictl
y
controlled and yet there are still so many deaths through crime and
terr
orism
that the need to maintain some control is obvious.
>….on alt.drugs
> of all places!
Do you honestly beleive that a drugs
discussion group is the place to
advertise a gun club? - I certainly don’t.
–MORE–(96%)
Cheers, Rob
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Article 14685 (56 more) in alt.drugs:
From: A Curious Orange
Subject: Re:
LSD - The Best
Nntp-Posting-Host: etlxd22p.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom,
Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 14:43:41 GMT
Lines: 28
In article
23857@lth.se, e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson) writes:
> In article
<1993Apr7.112533.11670@ericsson.se> etlrbsy@etlxd22p.etlxd writes:
> >
>
> I love acid. I must have taken about 20 trips over the last five years or
so
>
> and I’m interested in a few strange FX which I always get, I wondered if a
nyone
> > else gets the same things happening to them or whether it’s just me.
> > First
off, I always get a strange feeling in my jaws, the same sort
of
> > feeling you
get when biting tin foil or some other kind of soft metal.
> > Secondly I always get a
(not unpleasant) numb feeling in my spine wh
ich
> > comes and goes midway
through the trip and can last up to half hour at
a time.
–MORE–(70%)
> > (some stuff deleted…)
>
> Sure you are taking acid?? The two
effects mentioned above are those you can g
et
> from XTC…
>
>
/stefan
It was definately LSD, mostly purple oms, but also micro dots, Asterixs’
(or is that Asterii) and Dennis the Menace.
I’m no Chemist, but I gather XTC contains a
similar chemical make-up to
LSD and it has other things added to it. Maybe that’s why they
have a
similar effect.
Cheers, the Curious Orange
Article 14686 (55 more) in alt.drugs:
Newsgroups: sci.med,alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
From: Florian von Samson
Subject: Re: Staying on Ritalin for long night-shift
(~24h). Harmful?
Followup-To: Hanan Herzog, Steve Dyer
Summary: My opinion on "Is
it safe to continue using Ritalin
Keywords: ritalin methylphenidate ciba geigy
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93
14:47:29 GMT
Lines: 34
I absolutely disagree that some drug (nootropic)
exists that is harmless
if taken daily. All the drugs belonging to the big group of
amphetamines/
ephedrines or similarly build pharmaceuticals (Methylphenidate) are close
relatives of adrenaline and related substances which are produced by the
human body. A
permanent supply of these "nootropics" simply has to lead to
a decreasing production
of the bodys own drugs. (This is usually called
physical addiction, isn’t it?)
This surely does not apply to "brain food" as vitamins (here especially
the
B-group), precursors of neurotransmitters (i.e. L-Dopa as a serotonin
precursor), minerals,
etc. .
–MORE–(63%)
Here I don’t want to argue from the medical point of
view. The question is
(as Steve Dyer already pointed out):
>The real question
is why you’d be taking this at all!
Working 28 hour night shifts more or less
regularly sounds not very
reasonable to me. This cannot be a "nootropical" use of
Ritalin; I would
call it using metylphenidate as "speed".
In my
opinion the human body was not designed to work long night shifts
regularly and tiredness is
meant as a signal to the mind that the body
(including the brain) needs sleep (as a form of
relaxation). Ignoring this
and defeating tiredness by the use of drugs mobilizes the bodys
last
reserves which has to be unhealthy if done regularly.
I hope you at least
let your body get the sleep it needs after working one
of those 28 hour night shifts (which
would be 12 to 16 hours).
Florian
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Article 14687 (54 more) in alt.drugs:
From: matthew john baggott
Subject:
Re: DRUGS AND FILMS
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 15:38:18
GMT
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr7.125122.3222@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>
anderson@guvax.acc.ge
orgetown.edu writes:
>I am doing a term paper on the portrayal
of drugs in films. Can anyone
>suggest some good films that give any drug a bad rap and
and
>literature that examines the portrayal of drugs in modern films.
>I’m
particularly interested in finding a film that dores for drugs
>what Red Dawn did for
communism in AMerica in teh mid-1980s.
The first issue of the cyberzine, _BlackIce_,
had an article about drugs and
films which listed many relevant films. The zine is probably
still on
the newstand at hip bookstores.
> David
—M@
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Article 14688 (53 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: A Daily Schedule That’s Strictly Gonzo
Date: 8 Apr 1993 16:05:25 GMT
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host:
remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: an4929@anon.penet.fi’s message of 9 Mar 93 20:41:15 GMT
> In a new biography about the weirdest journalist of the
> hippie-yuppie
generation . . . Hunter S. Thompson . . .
=o= "The hippie-yuppie generation?"
Oy gevalt! Get something
straight: hippes and yuppies are different generations.
"Yuppie" was coined in the early 80s, with Y U P meaning
*YOUNG* Urban
Professionals.
=o= I know the trend-manufacturing media asserted that hippies
hippies were going corporate at about the same time the yuppies
were shoing up, but that was
mostly hogwash, of course. But
even if it were true, they would not qualify as yuppies.
They’re too old.
–MORE–(82%)
=o= Hunter S. Thompson himself has waxed
eloquent about the
differences between these generations. He doesn’t use cutesy
words
like "yuppie," though, he calls it, with characteristic
insight "A Generation
of Swine."
<_Jym_>
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Article 14689 (52 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Sol Lightman
Newsgroups:
alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,alt.activism
Subject: Start your own legalization
group … HERE’S HOW
Date: 8 Apr 1993 16:04:24 GMT
Organization: University of
Massachusetts, Amherst
Lines: 28
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu
Summary:
Startup kit available
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
UMASS CANNABIS
has put together a STARTUP KIT for grassroots drug
law reform. Mostly it is just handouts and
literature with some
helpful hints on organising, canvasing, starting registered student
organisations, etc.
UMACRC is prepared to mail you these kits FREE OF CHARGE. Just
send
us a snail-mail address. If you feel like it, though, a donation
of $1 to $5 to
cover costs would be greatly appreciated. Any checks
or money orders should be made out to
"UMASS CANNABIS Acct. 324632"
Please, only ask for one if you’re at least
semi-serious about activist work.
–MORE–(67%)
We can be reached at the
addresses below.
Brian
–
The University of Massachusetts at
Amherst | _________,^-.
Cannabis Reform Coalition ( | ) ,>
S.A.O. Box #2 \|/ {
415 Student Union Building `-^-’ ? )
UMASS, Amherst MA 01003 |____________ `–~ ;
\_,-__/
verdant@titan.ucs.umass.edu
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Article 14690 (51 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Scott David Hanson
Subject:
Re: Speed
Organization: Independent Renegade User
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 15:59:14 GMT
In article <1993Apr8.095547.4360@fuug.fi> an9383@anon.penet.fi
writes:
>
>What are the adverse health effects of the regular (once a week) use
In my experience, very little ill
effects if one can keep the consumption
at reasonable levels. There is, of course, the ill
effects of unknown
quality and contaminants. If the drug is inhaled, take good care of the
Regards
—
Scott Hanson This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
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Article 14691 (50 more) in alt.drugs:
Newsgroups:
wpi.test,alt.discordia,bit.listserv.fnord-l,alt.drugs
From: Pete Hartman
Subject: Re: Tim Leary
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date:
Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:37:28 GMT
Lines: 12
Maybe y’all should read some of Leary’s old
"shit" and then come
back and tell us how you believe every word…..
I
find it amusing to collect, barely tolerable to read, but if he
really took it all seriously
now I’d be really worried about his
sanity. There are gems in parts, but there are just as
many
clinkers.
You can’t fault him for being creative though.
—
Pete Hartman Bradley University pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
Life’s a sham and every move is
wrong
We’ve examined every move as we move along.
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Article 14692 (49 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Steve Rosenthal Sun Microsystems Tampa FL Field
Engineering
Subject: re: Hash Bash Ramblings
Date: 8 Apr 1993 16:40:43
GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Lines: 12
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: toptech.east.sun.com
Maxwell,
I
dug your article about your Hash Bash reunion. It makes
me think ofo the 70′S. And they were
some dynamite days!
Later,
stever
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Article 14693 (48 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Drew Lawson
Subject: Re:
Caffeine
Organization: ACUSON, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 15:00:55 GMT
In article <1ptggo$bmu@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz>
aptekar@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (I. Apte
kar) writes:
>How much safer is de-caffenated
coffee over caffenated coffee? I
>remeber seeing in New Scientist that coffee contains tons
of
>carcinogenics, so does removing the caffeine help substantially?
Help
what?
I don’t know of anybody who drinks decaf in order to reduce their
cancer
risk. The normal reasons are to relax/sleep better and to
reduce stress, with potential
associated reduction in stress related
illness (heart atack, stroke, etc.).
Personally, I _like_ caffeine. I like the effect and the subtle but
distinct flavor effect.
I’d rather drink water than decaf.
–MORE–(75%)
[BTW, try the
'return' key next time. It does wonders for your postings.]
—
+——————–+——————————————-+
| Drew Lawson | I had to
sell my internal organs |
| lawson@acuson.com | Just to pay the rent. |
| | — Weird Al
(When I was Your Age) |
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Article 14694 (47 more) in alt.drugs:
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs
From:
Scott Grigsby
Subject: Re: Bong query
Nntp-Posting-Host:
rintintin.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 8 Apr
1993 16:39:07 GMT
Lines: 22
In article <1q0dl8INN38b@uwm.edu>
dti@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Robert Mittelstad
t) writes:
>What do you find is the
best fluid to put in a bong, and hot or cold? I’ve
>tried coffee, which seems to be
nice.
>
>
>–
>—————————————————————————-
>dti@csd4.csd.uwm.edu - Tune in, Turn on, Drop out - Do it today ——
>—————————————————————————-
I’ve been told that we use bongs to cool off the smoke, as hot
smoke doesn’t feel too good in
your throat - a little harsh, you know.
–MORE–(73%)
If this is wrong, I hope
someone will fill me in, but, IMHO, this
seems reasonable. In my experience, I like cool smoke
better. So
some people pack snow in their bong - the small pockets in the snow
allow for
more "surface area" of the smoke to come in contact with
the cold snow, cooling it
off better than bubbling it through a
fluid. Of course, you might have a hard time finding
snow right
now, but maybe a Slurpee would work!
Scott
(grigsby@rtt.colorado.edu)
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Article 14695 (46 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Brazil
Subject: Re: Bong
query
Date: 8 Apr 1993 17:31:07 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of
Warwick, UK
Lines: 45
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host:
tansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk
In article 14571@ucsu.Colorado.EDU,
grigsby@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Scott Grigsb
y) writes:
>In article
<1q0dl8INN38b@uwm.edu> dti@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Robert Mittelsta
dt) writes:
>>What do you find is the best fluid to put in a bong, and hot or cold? I’ve
>>tried coffee, which seems to be nice.
>>
>>
>>–
>>—————————————————————————-
>>dti@csd4.csd.uwm.edu - Tune in, Turn on, Drop out - Do it today ——
>>—————————————————————————-
>
–MORE–(36%)
> I’ve been told that we use bongs to cool off the
smoke, as hot
This is true, bongs also take away some of the harmful carcinogens in the
smoke.
>smoke doesn’t feel too good in your throat - a little harsh, you know.
>If this is wrong, I hope someone will fill me in, but, IMHO, this
>seems reasonable. In
my experience, I like cool smoke better. So
>some people pack snow in their bong - the
small pockets in the snow
>allow for more "surface area" of the smoke to come in
contact with
>the cold snow, cooling it off better than bubbling it through a
>fluid. Of course, you might have a hard time finding snow right
>now, but maybe a
Slurpee would work.
Perhaps.. Look in ftp.u.washington.edu in directory
/public/alt.drugs for loads
of information about bongs etc… You can get all your details
about bongs and h
ow to make them from there FYIO of course 
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Article 14696 (45 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Rob Robertson
Subject: Re: a
warning to you all
Date: 8 Apr 93 17:37:53 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories
Lines: 34
In article <C51upr.9LF@news.claremont.edu>
ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
(Eli Brandt) writes:
> To be a confirmed drug
addict is to be one of the walking dead….
> The teeth have rotted out, the appetite is
lost, and the stomach and
> intestines don’t function properly. The gall bladder becomes
> membranes of the
nose turn a flaming red; the partitions separating
> the nostrils is eaten away —
breathing is difficult. Oxygen in the
> blood decreases; bronchitis and tuberculosis
develop. Good traits
> of character disappear and bad ones emerge. Sex organs become
> affected. Veins collapse and livid purplish scars remain. Boils and
> abscesses plague
the skin; gnawing pain racks the body. Nerves
> snap; vicious twitching develops. Imaginary
and fantastic fears
> plague the mind and sometimes complete insanity results. Often
–MORE–(69%)
> times, too, death comes — much too early in life…. Such is the
> the walking
dead.
>
> — the Supreme Court of the United States of America, 1962.
>
(Robinson v. California, 370 U.S. 600, 1962)
…appetite’s still good, so I guess I
still have a ways to go, then…
I feel so much better. Thanks, Eli.
Rrrrr
Rob Robertson
GTE Laboratories (617)466-4144 vox
40 Sylvan Rd.
(617)890-9320 fax
Waltham, Mass. 02254
"There is nothing new under the
sun…"
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Article 14697 (44 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Maureen Lecuona
Subject: Re:
spores
Date: 8 Apr 93 18:09:40 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
cs472y2@csulb.edu (Scott Coventon) writes:
>>I have
gotten my sporeprints from FMRC finally (after a month of waiting).
>Who is FMRC and
where are they located? I am interested in obtaining some
>sporeprints, so if someone could
E-mail me an address or other info I’d greatly
>appreciate it.
———————
I’d be real interested as well. Please email or post
lecuona@klinzhai.rutgers.edu
—
|| maureen || For this world that
men have made, none of us is bad enough.
–MORE–(79%)
|| || For the world that
made us, none is good enough. -Edward Abbey
|| lecuona || Those who dream of the joys of
living in a space colony should
|| || live in a space colony. -Edward Abbey
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Article 14698 (43 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Keith Lewis
Subject: Second
Call For Votes: Allow anonymous posting to alt.drugs?
Nntp-Posting-Host: aera8700.mitre.org
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 03:12:00 GMT
Lines: 28
OK, readers. Here’s a chance to have a say in this. I have volunteered to
record and
tally the votes for and against, and to send the results to Julf.
I’ll also post them here. In
case it wasn’t clear in the original CFV, I do
plan on posting lists of who voted each way. If
you already voted and this
is a problem for you, let me know and I’ll delete your vote.
If you haven’t already voted, and you have an opinion, please vote now.
To
participate, email (don’t post) a "yes" or "no" answer to the following
question to me at klewis@mitre.org or lewis@aera8700.mitre.org. Qualifiers
("yes, as long
as…") will be truncated.
Do you think anonymous posting should be allowed on
alt.drugs?
You may only vote once, and you may not vote anonymously. The voting
period
–MORE–(68%)
started a week ago and will end at midnight EST on Sunday,
April 12, 1993
(one week from now).
I’m not following standard Usenet procedures
here, but from recent
discussions on news.admin.policy, it appears there aren’t any. If this
CFV
is ambiguous, biased, or otherwise flawed, please let me know.
BTW, Julf has
re-enabled anonymous posting to alt.drugs during the voting
period.
–Keith
Lewis klewis@mitre.org "Mr. Cheap"
I don’t dance to music; music dances to me. Email
me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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Article 14699 (42 more) in alt.drugs:
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.chem
From: Keith
Lewis
Subject: What is freeze-drying? (was Re: Does mj go stale?)
Nntp-Posting-Host: aera8700.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 6
Apr 1993 16:20:59 GMT
Lines: 14
In article <17466@lupine.ncd.com>,
lew@grant.ncd.com (Lewis Curl) writes:
>Try freeze-drying it for periods of long storage.
My friend’s mom received som
e
>doctor prescribed cannabis for treatment of MS, and
she got a prescription
>bottle of freeze-dried joints. This was in 1986. The bottle was
packaged in
>1979. She said that it was quite potent. I’ve seen home freeze drying kits
fo
r
>as little as $250. A worthwhile investment if you grow your own and want to
Could somebody please explain exactly what
freeze-drying is? What kind of
equipment would be required?
–Keith Lewis
klewis@mitre.org "Mr. Cheap"
–MORE–(90%)
I don’t dance to music;
music dances to me. Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of
my employer.
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Article 14700 (41 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Keith Lewis
Subject: Re: Lung
Disease, etc…
Nntp-Posting-Host: aera8700.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE
Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 17:49:49 GMT
Lines: 22
In article
<1pqd3qINN6ej@snoopy.cis.ufl.edu>, x3121ftx@oak.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>Well, I’ve
been smoking marijuana for a while now. And recently (about three
>weeks ago ) I got sick.
It was a minor cough or so I thought. I went to the
>doctor a week ago he said it was
because I smoked. (I didn’t tell him that I
>dont smke cigarettes but… ) So I would like
to find out more information on
>the safest way to imbibe cannabis, what is best (a water
pipe maybe?)…
The safest way has got to be through ingestion. If you like alcohol,
you
can make "green dragon". If not, you can make pot brownies. But it’s less
convenient because the buzz comes on slower and lasts longer.
If you’re going to smoke,
a bong is the safest way. The ideal would be a
double-chambered unit with something
(replacable aquarium airstone?) in the
second chamber to make the bubbles as tiny as possible.
You can’t do this
in the first chamber because it will rapidly clog with ash.
–MORE–(81%)
Others have suggested vaporizers, devices which heat pot without
burning it.
That might or might not be cleaner than bong smoke.
–Keith Lewis
klewis@mitre.org "Mr. Cheap"
I don’t dance to music; music dances to me. Email me
for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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Article 14701 (40 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Keith Lewis
Subject: Re:
Difference in Male/Female marijuana plants???
Nntp-Posting-Host: aera8700.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 13:55:52 GMT
Lines: 16
In article <1psbcsINN8e4@bowen.rick.cs.ubc.ca>, c1a192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Oliver Er
ik Seiler) writes:
>As far as I recall, they are generally the same if you keep them all
together
>(in terms of THC content). However, by removing the male plants early on
before
>the fertilization time, the females THC content goes up…
I doubt it.
Even in the wild, most of the THC is concentrated in the female
flowers. You’re right about it
being way highre if the female goes
unfertilized, though.
BTW, if anybody in the
Washington, DC area has scanning capability, I’d like
to post some drawings from _Marijuana
Botany_ which show the difference
between male and female plants. Volunteer by email; identity
confidential.
–Keith Lewis klewis@mitre.org "Mr. Cheap"
–MORE–(90%)
I don’t dance to music; music dances to me. Email me for my PGP key.
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Article 14702 (39 more) in alt.drugs:
From: David Harkins
Subject: Re: a
warning to you all
Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project
Date:
Thu, 8 Apr 1993 18:20:44 GMT
Lines: 7
GEE, that’s great information. Mind posting
WHICH DRUG these addiction
effects are charactestic of?
—
David R.
Harkins drh@hopper.acs.virginia.edu
"I’d like to thank my family for loving me and taking
care of me, and
the rest of the world can kiss my ass."
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Article 14703 (38 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Keith Lewis
Subject: Re: Dr.
Albert Hof(f)man(n) - dead or alive? Where?
Nntp-Posting-Host: aera8700.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 18:01:47 GMT
Lines: 11
In article <rcainC55Az7.3wI@netcom.com>, rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>I just got a letter from the Albert Hoffman foundation indicating that
>he had been
forced to cancel plans to be here for bicycle day this year
>so I assume he is alive. I had
thought he had passed away. I have no
>idea his whereabouts.
It was Abbie
Hofmann who passed away.
–Keith Lewis klewis@mitre.org "Mr. Cheap"
I
don’t dance to music; music dances to me. Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet)
represent the opinions of my employer.
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Article 14704 (37 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Keith Lewis
Subject: Re: MJ
and water solubility
Nntp-Posting-Host: aera8700.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE
Corporation
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 18:42:21 GMT
Lines: 26
In article
<1993Apr8.101437.6745@leland.Stanford.EDU>, rubble@leland.Stanford.ED
U (Adam Heath
Clark) writes:
>I read in this newsgroup a while ago that none of the components of
marijuana
>smoke were very water soluble, which is contrary to what I’ve always been
>told.
I’ve been reading here for a couple of years, and noone’s said THAT.
What they did say is that THC (tetra hydro cannabinol) in particular is not
soluble in
water. So you will still get high from bong smoke. Pot smoke
also contains numerous other
chemicals, which may or may not be
psychoactive. Some of these are bound to be water soluble,
so you will lose
them in a bong. I’ve never heard anybody complain about it, though (until
–MORE–(65%)
>Anybody know about this? Along the same lines,
anybody know about how much
>tar, etc. gets filtered out in a bong? Does this depend at all
on the depth
>of the water?
Depth and bubble size. I guess you could always to
the old American Lung
Association handkerchief test: put a white cloth over the top of your
bong
and inhale a hit through it, then empty the water out and do it again with a
different piece of cloth.
–Keith Lewis klewis@mitre.org "Mr. Cheap"
I
don’t dance to music; music dances to me. Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet)
represent the opinions of my employer.
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Article 14705 (36 more) in alt.drugs:
From: John Morley
Subject: Re: Long
term effects fr
Date: 8 Apr 93 19:23:37 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino,
CA
Lines: 43
In article <VERDANT.93Apr3000823@titan.ucc.umass.edu>
verdant@titan.ucc.umass.ed
u (Sol Lightman) writes:
>
… stuff deleted …
>"There are no data from human studies concerning the risk of death
>from lung cancer in relation to marijuana smoking. However, the
>presence of known
carcinogens in marijuana smoke and the findings
>in the central airways of heavy hashish
smokers [The study here
>refers to marines who smoked 50 grams a month -- YIKES!] of
>microscopic abnormalities that have been correlated with the
>subsequent developement
of lung cancer in long-term tobacco
>smokers raises the strong possibility that chronic
heavy users
>of marijuana and hashish may be predisposed to the development of
>lung cancer, particularly if they also smoke tobacco. Although
>not a single case of
lung cancer has yet been attributed to
–MORE–(47%)
>chronic marijuana
smoking in this country, nevertheless, the
>possibility cannot be ignored that chronic,
heavy marijuana
>smoking, like chronic tobacco smoking, [they seem to like to hack
>on this point a lot -- it's the basis for their entire
>interpretation of their
results] may be a risk factor for the
>development of lung cancer and that the risks of
developing lung
>cancer as the result of combined marijuana and tobacco smoking
>could be additive or even synergistic.
>
It is fairly well known that in
Europe hashish is usually mixed with tobacco
when smoked. I’d be willing to bet that those
50g/month marines were
stationed in Europe, and that they followed the practice of mixing
some
hash in with tobacco and smoking it either in a rolled cigarette or in
a chillum
pipe. So just imagine how much tobacco these guys must be
doing in order to consume 50g of
hash, and the fact that they smoke
that tobacco (along with the hash) in an unfiltered form
and probably hold
the smoke in their lungs for as long as possible. I would be surprised if
This doesn’t
mean that cannabis products are automatically innocent of
any implication in lung disease, but
until some well controlled studies are
done I am going to have to go by personal experience
that shows cannabis to
–MORE–(96%)
be an intoxicant with far fewer harmful
side-effects than either alcohol
or tobacco.
- John
some
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Article 14706 (35 more) in alt.drugs:
From: clementine
Subject: Re: Basic
question: hunger & mj
Date: 8 Apr 93 18:20:07 GMT
Organization: BOSTON UNIVERSITY,
Pulmonary Center
Lines: 34
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22
In-Reply-To:
an18639@anon.penet.fi’s message of 5 Apr 93 20:20:56 GMT
In
<1993Apr5.202545.4264@fuug.fi> an18639@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
> I
have a very basic question about pot.
> I’ve tried it before and had the well known
munchies.
> I only tried it a few times, many years ago.
>
> Is there a
problem with weight gain from this effect?
> Does it reduce with continued (recreational)
use?
> Will I gain even more weight? (i’m not huge, but have excess baggage)
>
> I, like many people, have a distinct need (?) for getting
> high. Thus I like my beer.
–MORE–(50%)
> But beer seems to cause
problems, most notably a beer belly.
> Has anybody switched to mj to reduce their beer
intake
> or is this a really stupid idea.
The munchies
don’t diminish with time or use. A few years ago I had a
wonderful cookbook for mj which
explained the manifestation of munchies. The
details are the sort which do not stay in the
memory very long, but the bottom
line is that mj somehow upsets your blood-sugar level. The
reason this book
made mention of this fact was to caution people against "dosing"
the
unsuspecting. People with a variety of illnesses could become very sick after
ingesting a loaded brownie. The author went on to suggest that instead of
downing a box of
Dunkin’Donuts we might consider something that is primarily
protein (or at least not junk). A
bowl of hearty soup was a specific
suggestion. I can’t remember why, however.
If
you need to get altered, stick with the herb. And plan a little snack that
won’t add to your
waistline.
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Article 14707 (34 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Curious Furious
Subject: Info
request: does serotonin affect hormone levels?
Organization: inky Pinky, Inc.
Date: Thu,
8 Apr 1993 15:19:09 GMT
Lines: 18
Does anybody know what effects, if any, changes
in serotonin levels due to
ingesting MDMA may have on the body’s sexual hormone levels? i.e
can it cause
a woman to skip a menstrual cycle for example ? What about psylocybin?
and since
serotonin controls various glands that produce sexual hormones, the
reproductive system would
be thrown totally out of whack…
myth or fact?
thanx,
Curious
—
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Article 14708 (33 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Chris Karadaglis
Subject: Re:
a warning to you all
Date: 7 Apr 93 02:14:03 GMT
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World
Headquarters)
Lines: 51
NNTP-Posting-Host: krakatoa.iconix.oz.au
In
<C51upr.9LF@news.claremont.edu> ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) wr
ites:
>To be a confirmed drug addict is to be one of the walking dead….
>The teeth
have rotted out, the appetite is lost, and the stomach and
>intestines don’t function
properly. The gall bladder becomes
>inflamed; eyes and skin turn a bilious yellow; in some
cases
>membranes of the nose turn a flaming red; the partitions separating
>the
nostrils is eaten away — breathing is difficult. Oxygen in the
>blood decreases;
bronchitis and tuberculosis develop. Good traits
>of character disappear and bad ones
emerge. Sex organs become
>affected. Veins collapse and livid purplish scars remain. Boils
and
>abscesses plague the skin; gnawing pain racks the body. Nerves
>snap; vicious
twitching develops. Imaginary and fantastic fears
>plague the mind and sometimes complete
insanity results. Often
–MORE–(46%)
>times, too, death comes — much too
early in life…. Such is the
>torment of being a drug addict; such is the plague of being
one of
>the walking dead.
> – the Supreme Court of the United States of
America, 1962.
> (Robinson v. California, 370 U.S. 600, 1962)
Bloody typical.
Not a single mention of the drugs which cause this
symptom. And from the Supreme Court too. No
wonder Mr and Mrs Average
shudder at the word "drugs". Ok, I know the date is a bit
out of
touch, but here in Melbourne, Australia last month we had a pair of
child
molesters who locked their kids up, beat them, abused them
because they walked in while they
were having a hit. In sentencing
them, the judge said something like "..here we have an
example of the
type of life that users of drugs enter…" bla bla bla. No mention of
for fucks sake)
frequency of use, knowledge of use, just the word "drugs".
No, I’m not
supporting pedophiles, I just want the record set
straight. It makes my blood boil.
Comments, anyone? Post or email, I don’t care…
–MORE–(82%)
>
Eli
Chris Karadaglis (Shckwish!)
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Karadaglis Email: ck@iconix.oz.au, …uunet!iconix.oz.au!ck
Analyst Snail: Iconix Pty Ltd
Fax: +61 3 571-5346 Malvern East, Vic, 3145,
Australia
Quote: "Rock and roll!"
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Article 14709 (32 more) in alt.drugs:
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
From: Florian von
Samson
Subject: Re: LSD & Pregnancy
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public
access Unix system run by the University
of Denver for the Denver community. The University
has neither
control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization:
Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 19:59:40 GMT
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Article 14710 (31 more) in alt.drugs:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8
Apr 1993 16:21:24 EDT
From: <AJN105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: ftp
trouble
Lines: 4
I’m having trouble connecting to u.washington.edu. It won’t take
anonymous
as a user name, nor will it take anon or any other common abbrev. I didn’t
have any trouble with pit-manager.mit.edu, so I don’t think I’m doing anything
wrong. Please
e-mail me and enlighten me. Thanks. Alex. AJN@psuvm.psu.edu
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Article 14711 (30 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Re: a
warning to you all
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In article
Hor@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, drh@hopper.Virginia.EDU (David Harkins)
writes:
>GEE,
that’s great information. Mind posting WHICH DRUG these addiction
>effects are
charactestic of?
All of ‘em. Drugs is drugs, you evil fiend…
have fun
—
Richard Stueven gak@wrs.com attmail!gakhaus!gak 107/H/3&4
I’m always more outspoken after a few pints of Guinness.
- Mrs. E. Slocombe
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Article 14712 (29 more) in alt.drugs:
From: jroberts@ux4
Subject: DMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 5
I have seen repeated references to the ease with which DMT can be made (or
seen this question
before, but don’t remember a reply.
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Article 14713 (28 more) in alt.drugs:
From: David A. Honig
Subject: Re:
Dr. Albert Hof(f)man(n) - dead or alive? Where?
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Date: 8 Apr 93 21:33:13
GMT
rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>I just got a letter from the
Albert Hoffman foundation indicating that
>he had been forced to cancel plans to be here
for bicycle day this year
>so I assume he is alive. I had thought he had passed away. I
have no
>idea his whereabouts.
Basel, Switzerland. Probably doesn’t have email
though.
–
David Honig
"Every tool carries with it the spirit
by which it has been created."
-W. Heisenberg
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Article 14714 (27 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Ronald T Coslick Jr
Subject:
Re: clove cigarettes
Date: 8 Apr 93 22:01:00 GMT
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Regarding clove cigarettes, grigsby@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Scott
Grigsby)
writes:
> If anyone could provide more information on this, I’d be
>very appreciative! I, too, have been told that cloves were much
>more damaging
than cigarettes (someone even told me once that
>one clove was as damaging as a whole pack
of say…Camel Lights!)
>I’ve also been told that they make you cough blood. (Not that
>seem to char my
lungs to hell much better than a regular cig!
>But does anyone know for sure?
Thanks!
>
> Scott (grigsby@rtt.colorado.edu)
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Hope this helps.
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RoN
v113mg59@ubvms
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Los Angeles
Times
March 21, 1986
SMOKE THICKENS OVER CLOVE CIGARETTE INHALATION STUDY
By: DENNIS McLELLAN
The results of an industry-sponsored study, released this week,
clove cigarette smoke
is no more harmful to laboratory rats than
smoke from conventional cigarettes.
Scientists not connected with the study, however, caution that a
single study on rats does not
provide conclusive evidence that the
pungent-smelling imported cigarettes from Indonesia do
not cause
lung damage in humans.
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The independent
study, which was conducted by the Department of
Inhalation Toxicology at the Huntingdon
Research Centre in
Huntingdon, England, is the first inhalation study made available
to
the public on clove cigarettes (or kreteks), which have come
under attack in the past year for
causing serious health problems
and allegedly leading to the death of one Orange County
teen-ager.
The British inhalation study was funded by P. T. Djarum and House
of
Sampoerna, both of Indonesia, although an industry spokesman
said the laboratory wasn’t told
who was backing the study. The two
firms are the largest manufacturers of clove cigarettes —
which
contain 60% tobacco and 40% ground cloves.
Cigarettes ‘Vindicated’
"I think the study shows that clove cigarettes have been
vindicated as far as
being guilty of what the critics have said
they are guilty of: that these things are much
worse for you than
non-clove cigarettes," said G. A. Avram, executive director of the
manufacturers and
importers of clove cigarettes in the United
States.
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Avram, who released the results of the 119-page study at a news
conference in Washington, said
the study "clearly establishes that
clove cigarettes do not cause acute respiratory
distress or
anesthetize the lungs on the test animals." (Eugenol — the major
component of cloves– is used as a mild dental anesthetic; critics
of clove cigarette say the
eugenol in the cigarettes numbs smokers’
throats.)
The results of the British
inhalation study differ sharply from
those of an as-yet-unpublished study conducted last year
by the
American Health Foundation, which shows that eugenol can cause
extensive lung
damage and may be lethal to laboratory animals when
administered directly into the lung via
the trachea (in contrast to
inhalation studies, in which laboratory animals breathe smoke).
Another study by the American Health Foundation, however,
supports the findings of
the British study: In that, an inhalation
study, there were no acute toxic effects among
hamsters exposed to
clove cigarette smoke, according to Edmond LaVoie, associate
division chief of environmental carcinogens at the nonprofit,
independent research foundation
in Valhalla, N.Y.
LaVoie added, however, that "one cannot discount the data
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obtained in the intratracheal experiments because there are
limitations in using small rodents in inhalation experiments." The
American Health
Foundation studies on clove cigarettes will be
published soon in Archives of Toxicology, a
scientific journal.
In view of the findings in the British inhalation study,
however,
Avram maintains that "the burden of proof has shifted and it’s now
up to
them (clove cigarette critics) to prove there is a problem
with clove cigarettes instead of
clove cigarettes being put on the
defensive."
Robert Phalen, director of
the air pollution health effects
laboratory at the College of Medicine at UC Irvine and author
of
"Inhalation Studies," a professional reference book, observed that
the
inhalation study "is important, but I’d say a single study is
not definitive for
something that has widespread use."
Phalen added that "there’s a segment of
the population –
somewhere around 5% — that have very sensitive lungs. These
people
can over-respond to a variety of chemicals when inhaling.
The rat is not a good model for
those people."
Moreover, Phalen said, "You can never, in a small single
animal
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study, say that something is safe. Let’s say clove
cigarettes
hypothetically caused one smoker in a thousand to die. You could
never detect
that in a study of human beings unless you had tens of
thousands of people and you couldn’t
detect that level of risk in
a study using less than several thousand animals."
"The conduct of a single study is suggestive but in no case
convincing evidence
one way or the other unless the study is so
designed as to be essentially foolproof and these
studies are so
complicated that they rarely can be made foolproof," said Dr. Tee
L.
Guidotti, professor of occupational medicine at the University
of Alberta Faculty of Medicine
in Edmonton, Canada, who has done
research on clove cigarette toxicity.
"We
can’t say anything about long-term health effects from a
single short-term study,"
Guidotti said. "We do know that the
International Agency for Research on Cancer, which is
the
international authority on such matters, has concluded that eugenol
is a possible
human carcinogen. The addition of a possibly harmful
substance (eugenol) to an already
hazardous product (cigarettes)
can only increase the risk that much further."
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In general, Guidotti added, clove
cigarettes "have more tar,
nicotine and carbon monoxide than conventional
cigarettes."
"I think it (Avram’s assertion that clove cigarettes are as
safe
as regular cigarettes) is bunk," said Eric Lampell, attorney for
the two
Orange County families that have each filed $25-million
lawsuits against the makers, importers
and sellers of clove
cigarettes for supplying their children with what they charge were
"dangerous and defective" cigarettes.
Anticipating possible criticism over
having a vested interest in
a study examining his own product, Avram said the Huntingdon
Research Centre did not know until the study was completed that the
sponsor, Avram’s North
Carolina law firm, was representing two
clove cigarette manufacturers.
Avram said
two more inhalation studies will be forthcoming soon
from the independent British contract
research organization.
"And," he said, "the preliminary indications we’re
getting are that
they are even more encouraging from our point of view than this
original one."
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Avram was scheduled to present the
inhalation study Thursday to
a state Senate committee in Maryland where legislators are
considering a bill to ban clove cigarettes.
Missouri and Utah currently are considering
similar bills.
Nevada and New Mexico already have banned the imports, but a
Florida
judge declared unconstitutional a 3-week-old law banning
clove cigarettes in that state.
Reacted ‘Hastily’
The Speciality Tobacco Council maintains that legislators
have
reacted "hastily" in banning clove cigarettes "without taking time
to obtain a balanced appraisal on the issue."
The council was formed early last
year in the wake of media
reports on the potential health hazards of smoking clove
cigarettes, which have been sold in the United States since 1970
but did not become popular
until the early 1980s. (Sales of the
imports, according to Avram, have dropped to about half
of their
peak of 150-170 million in 1984 as a result of the controversy.)
Last
March, Ron and Carole Cislaw of Costa Mesa filed a
$25-million lawsuit, claiming that the
sellers, makers, and
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importers of clove cigarettes were, among
other things, negligent
in supplying "dangerous and defective" cigarettes. Their
smoking a clove cigarette
and eventually died of respiratory
failure. A second $25-million lawsuit was filed in July by
a Buena
Park woman whose 17-year-old allegedly contracted a debilitating
lung ailment
after smoking clove cigarettes.
Last May, the U.S Centers for Disease Control reported
12 cases
of severe illness possibly associated with smoking clove
cigarettes. Symptoms
in the 11 patients who were hospitalized,
according to the CDC report, included pulmonary
edema (blood- or
fluid-filled lungs), bronchospasm (a constriction of the air
passageway) and hemoptysis (coughing up blood).
Minor symptoms reported to the CDC
included nausea and vomiting,
increased incidence of respiratory tract infections, worsening
of
chronic bronchitis and increased incidences and severity of asthma
attacks. Mild
coughing up of blood, the report said, has been
reported with particular frequency.
Preliminary Results
The CDC report, however, stressed that a cause-and-effect
relationship between clove cigarette smoking and the patients’
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illnesses has not been proved.
When preliminary results of the the American Health
Foundation
intratracheal study were obtained by The Times last June, the
Specialty
Tobacco Council labeled the foundation’s method of
administering eugenol via the trachea into
the lungs of laboratory
animals as an "unsound scientific test."
"You might regard the intratracheal instillation (method) as a
massive overkill and it
does not reflect the smoking of a (clove)
cigarette," said Murray Senkus, a consultant
for one of the major
manufacturers of clove cigarettes in Indonesia and a former
director of research and development for R. J. Reynolds Tobacco
Co.
LaVoie
responded by saying, "We gave them (the laboratory
animals) less than one-third the dose
of eugenol which is delivered
to the lungs by one clove cigarette: less than one-third the
amount
of eugenol in one clove cigarette kills 50% of the animals."
UC
Irvine’s Phalen said "intratracheal studies can be useful and
important in looking at the
toxicity of something the lung has been
exposed to. However, it is not a definitive method
of
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administration for something that’s inhaled. One of the
principles
of toxicology is to expose animal subjects by the same route that
one expects
human populations to be exposed."
In light of the results of the American Health
Foundation’s own
inhalation study on clove cigarettes, LaVoie said he is not
surprised
by the results of the British inhalation study.
He maintained, however, that
"because the rats used in the
(inhalation) studies are obligatory nose breathers — they
by
nature breathe through their nose — only a very small portion of
the smoke
components ever reach or become deposited in the lung.
This is an inherent deficiency of the
animal model and I would say
both models (intratracheal instillation and inhalation) do not
More Studies Recommended
LaVoie said he could not say much about the British study because
he hasn’t seen it. "I
can say that no two-month inhalation study
using small rodents would convince me that these
cigarette products
are safe."
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LaVoie recommends
conducting more inhalation studies that are
"longer term and possibly more sophisticated
in order to bypass
some of the inherent differences in the inhalation of particulates
observed with small rodents vs. man."
"I think what they (Huntingdon Research
Centre researchers) have
done is an appropriate beginning and I anxiously await both
details
on the study and further studies to evaluate just how dangerous
clove cigarettes
are," said LaVoie. "Like cigarettes, they do
adversely affect health, we just don’t
know how severe the degree."
As Guidotti said, "We’ll be going back and forth
for years on the
inhalation toxicology."
(end of article)
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Article 14715 (26 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Ronald T Coslick Jr
Subject:
Outdoor Grower’s Guide
Date: 8 Apr 93 22:09:00 GMT
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Buffalo
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This was passed along to me for posting. It may have appeared
here earlier.
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SIMPLE STEPS FOR OUTDOOR
GROWERS
December, 1992
About the Authors
We have been outdoor
growers since 1980 and have had
relatively small yearly harvests every year since l983. We
have
grown Indica and Sativa strains and also hybrids (mixing the two
together). Our
horticulture has taken place largely in fields in
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New York and New
Jersey. The goal of this paper is to allow others
to produce their own, and to reduce the
amount of marijuana traded
on the street. As more individuals become divorced from having
to
sell and purchase fine erb, then we as consumers will become self-
sufficient and
will also be able to minimize the risk of being
caught. Unfortunately, the ignorant powers
that be continue to
persecute marijuana smokers for political reasons. We should take
responsibility for our habits and grow for our own consumption
thereby eliminating the
"buy and sell game". Although the
marijuana trade is not known for attracting
ruthless people, it
none the less is a "black market" activity that many wish to
avoid.
Some people may read this paper with the hope that they can
grow acres of
reefer that will bring them riches. Unfortunately
the gold rush as it pertains to weed has
come and gone. The police
confiscate patches of pot annually through the use of aerial
infrared photography, and large plots are spotted much more
frequently than small plots. This
guide is not designed to be the
erb growers bible, but to provide easy steps on how to
cultivate
small amounts of marijuana for personal consumption. There are
people who know
more about growing weed than we do, but the
marijuana growing literature still lacks a brief
explanation of how
to produce outdoor kind bud in easy steps. Our hope is that this
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paper can serve that purpose.
We want to thank the many
people who helped us acquire skill
in this realm (our assumption is that they want to
remain
anonymous). Any error or omission is our doing and we take full
responsibility.
All rights of this publication are not reserved. Anyone may
duplicate this document in full or part. Please distribute
liberally!
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Table of Contents
Finding a Site
Making a Trail
The Mechanics of Growing
b. Planting
c. Weeding
d. Removing Males
e. The
Fungus
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f. Emergency Visits
The Harvest
When to
Harvest
Acquiring Good Seeds
Quality seed strains are often
difficult to obtain. This is
especially true for people who hang in a predominantly
straight
crowd and know few people who partake in the fine erb. The rule of
thumb is if
the weed gets you pretty high then the seed is usually
good to grow. Seeds coming from green
bud are often better to grow
because the strain is frequently acclimated to the growing
season
of northern latitudes. Jamaican and Colombian varieties can not be
easily
produced in northern latitudes because the strains produce
bud too late in the season. The
results of growing these varieties
in most of the U.S. will be little or no bud growth before
the
first frost hits. Sativa strains usually grow taller than the
indica or
indica-sativa hybrids. This can be a major drawback
especially in the fall when other plants
are dying off and trees
are losing leaves. Some growers have success crossing sativa
varieties from southern climates with Indica, and creating an
offspring that will bud more
timely.
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When at parties, concerts, or other social events, keep an
eye
out for people breaking up bud and discarding seeds. The best time
to look for seeds
is from October to January because this is when
most of the locally grown outdoor erb hits the
market. Acquiring
and maintaining a quality seed stock is the most fundamental task
of a
successful grower.
Finding a Site
Aside from acquiring good seed, picking
a prime location to
grow is probably the most important task a grower is faced with.
One of the best locations is in areas of grasslands that have small
trees and bushes
interspersed. Often a farmers field that has been
out of production for ten years is ideal.
Flood plains along
rivers and streams are another good location, but the risk of
losing
seeds in the Spring or the harvest in the Fall due to
flooding should be considered. Growers
have also been known to
plant in buckets in more rocky or mountainous terrain. This
enables them to grow in areas that receive good sunlight but have
rocky, untillable soil.
Digging a site in areas of dense but short
plant growth, like sticker bushes, is another
suitable spot. The
sticker bushes grow high enough to prevent people from seeing
through
them and also serve as a direct deterrence from people and
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large
animals wandering into the site.
A grower can often use animal and insect life to his
advantage. Bees, tics, green flies and the like can discourage
people from wandering through
fields so areas having an abundant
insect population are prime locations. The most important
criteria
for an excellent growing site are good soil, available water,
sunlight, and
suitable cover. Other factors are secondary.
Good soil is sometimes hard to find but without
it you won’t
get much of a harvest. So, if you find a site that is perfect for
all other
factors but has poor soil , you may want to consider
bringing soil to the site. Soil is often
the richest in areas
where grassland vegetation has existed for a series of years.
Grasslands recycle nutrients in the soil and form a thick layer of
organic matter. Grassland
biospheres require very little
preparation to start growing, while other soil conditions
require
more work. Sandy soils often need potting soil or top soil along
with a small
amount of lime to make them more fertile. Soils with
high amounts of clay need material, like
peat moss, added to break
up the clay and make the soil more porous. I’m a naturalist and
planting along road sides can
be productive. The lead and other
toxic chemicals found in some of these soils is enough to
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smokable plant material. If you live in a city, and lack your own
means of transportation
then use roadsides as your last resort.
A close water source is also very important. A site
close to
the water table would be ideal since bringing water into the site
can get
tiresome and also dangerous. It can get very tiresome if
you have many sites or even a few big
sites. If you choose a site
much higher than the water table or grow in buckets, you will
will be enormous and will
give you great incentive to find a site
closer to the water table. The dangers in having to
bring water to
the sites are numerous. The greatest of these would be the chance
of
someone spotting you, possibly a cop. The second greatest would
be the destruction of the
foliage you have to walk through to get
from the water source to the site. If you have to make
more than
one trip you run a big risk that a trail will become noticeable.
Finding a
stable water source in the summer can be another obstacle
since small streams often dry up at
this time. How often you will
need to water is determined by the weather and that could
require
you to make unexpected trips to the sites. Each trip puts you at
risk. Your goal
is to minimize these trips.
Sunlight is less important than the previous two components
but is still essential. Plants should be in areas that receive at
least five hours of direct
sunlight per day. Morning sunlight is
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preferable since plants tend
to respond better to it than to the
afternoon sunlight. Growers who scout sites during the
winter
months must be able to visualize how the landscape will be shaded
by trees, and
the path the sun will take come Spring. Of course,
the greater the amount of sunlight the
better, but when choosing a
site sunlight is just one of many factors that must be
considered.
The last criteria has nothing to do with plant biology, but
rather focuses
on minimizing the threat of unwanted attention from
people wandering by. The cover should be
both tall enough to keep
people from spotting it and thick enough to discourage them from
a large patch of big
sticker bushes. If that’s not available, look
for foliage that grows to a height of six to
eight feet by the fall
and is far enough away from where someone might stray.
The
Ability to hide plants amongst the flora in fields is an
art and skill improved upon through
practice. One favorite
technique is to hide plants on the south side of bushes so that
passers by will have difficulty spotting the plant(s). Plants
still get adequate light in
spite of the appearance of being
crowded by the larger bush. The best hiding spot for erb is
where
people have their view blocked from all sides and has the
appearance of being
impenetrable. In areas where the vegetation
growth is less than three feet the erb may need to
be trimmed back
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or tied to the ground in order to create smaller
bushier plants.
Fields with small vegetation growth may have poor soil or can be
dry
upland environments where the soil frequently becomes too dry
so use caution. Making erb
junior blend in with the other plants
in the field will minimize risk. In order to grow
plants
efficiently, an outdoor grower must use the natural landscape to
his or her
advantage.
Making a Trail
One of the ways to ensure success is by creating
trails that
are not visible to passers by. This is easier in some places than
in others.
Areas having dense undergrowth with lots of sunlight
can be ideal because plant growth is so
rapid it will erase any
damage to the vegetation between trips during the Spring and
Summer. If you are growing plants in areas easy to spot trails
then make the path weave back
and forth so it becomes difficult for
people to see a trail. Making a hidden trail to the
site(s) is
important because it allows the grower to minimize getting ripped
off or
worse, caught. People wander through undeveloped areas and
follow trails to nowhere all the
time. Their access can be limited
through thoughtful planning of pathways and proper care in
using
them. When you walk through your entrance, do everything possible
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not to damage any of the foliage, especially toward the late Summer
and early Fall.
At this time of the year, damaged foliage usually
will not regrow and this is when the plants
need as much cover as
possible. There are two things to keep in mind when making a trail
to your site(s): 1) Can you see the trail you just made, if not
that’s great, if so look for
ways to cover areas that look like a
trail; 2) The more difficult it is for you to get to the
site, the
less likely someone else will try.
The Mechanics of Growing
and they have smoked a lot
of grass and grown some in their
backyards. Sam has a good rap, and appears knowledgeable
about
fine erb. Taking these two gentlemen for a walk in the fields
might appear to be a
good idea. Shit, they could offer some
insightful pointers. I must caution against these
excursions.
Even if these men are the erb experts they appear, taking a walk
with them
may not be in your best interest. They are unfamiliar
with the area and may not know where to
run if the need arises.
Walking with more than two people through a field can attract
attention (the greater the number of people, the greater chance of
being seen). The more
people walking on a trail the larger the
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trail becomes and thus the
greater the chance your trail can be
followed by others. Every time you visit the site(s) you
are
putting the harvest and for that matter yourself at risk. This may
be a small or
large risk depending on the particular place but
remember that no place is 100% safe. Unless
it is an emergency
situation where the buggy fly has infested your crop, and you are
bringing in a specialist to offer expert advice, the site(s) should
not be visited by
strangers. Having a growing partner is
recommended regardless of his or her competence, and
even then the
site(s) should only be visited to accomplish specific tasks. Trips
to the
site should occur at the following times.
1. Preparing The Soil:
(early March -
Mid April depending on climate)
I suggest buying 40lb. bags of organic potting soil and
mixing
this in with the existing soil. This soil is not often found at
your local
all-purpose store so some searching may be required.
Potting soil is richer soil than
commercial top soil so it goes a
little bit farther when mixed with the existing soil. Lime
may be
necessary in areas with acidic soil and peat moss is a good
additive for soils
with a clay type consistency. I avoid chemical
fertilizers, not just because I believe that
organic farming is the
best way, but also because toxic waste is produced from the
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manufacture of fertilizers.
It’s also a good idea to put up a two
foot high fence at this
time. This will keep small animals out and the use of dried blood
small gaps, 2 inches or
less between the metal strands. Collect
enough sticks in the area to provide stakes that will
support the
fence about every 2 feet. Outline the site with the sticks and tie
the fence
to the sticks with string or wire. Cut the fence
endstrand and bend the strands that protrude
from the top of the
fence out and down the outside to discourage animals from trying to
jump over it. Camouflage the fence and site with normal ground
debris as necessary before
leaving.
2. Planting: (early April - early May)
There are different ways to go
about planting:
A) The seed intensive method:
This method should only be used if
you have an abundance of
seeds. The seed intensive method entails planting many seeds in a
journey to your newly prepared
site(s), the seeds and trowels are
hidden in your pockets. Plant the seeds about one half inch
deep,
unless the soil contains high amounts of clay then only plant seeds
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one quarter inch in the soil. If you setup small sites 3ft x 3ft
square, put in three rows with a seed every one and a half inches.
If you work out the Math
this is roughly 72 seeds per site.
Unfortunately, many growers, especially beginners, do not
posses
this many good seeds. If a grower creates four sites with this
many seeds he or
she is almost guaranteed a harvest. Yes, there
will be some crowding and this is one of the
drawbacks of using
many seeds in a small area. Also, figure around 50% of the plants
are
going to be male so you must return to the site to cut out the
males toward the end of Summer.
Once the males are removed from
the site, the females get more light and aren’t as crowded.
The
seed intensive strategy tends to produce smaller plants because of
crowding, but at
the same time it helps ensure a harvest every
season. In the present day of infrared
photography, I believe it
is important to have small sites to avoid detection from the air.
This of course means growers may have to create a series of small
plots in order to
garner a year’s supply of erb. If you grow
merely for hobby, sport, or experimental purposes,
than one site
may suit you fine.
B) Planting small seedlings:
The strongest
argument for this method of planting is that you
get the opportunity to select for planting
the strongest of the
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seedlings you’ve started. The strongest
argument against this
method is the risk of transporting the seedlings to their intended
site(s). Transporting them requires you to find a method of
concealing them, usually a box.
The problem that then arises is
that the size box needed to transport many plants may make
this
method too risky or totally impractical. The other concern with
this method is that
there is also the risk of shocking the
seedlings when you put them outside in the site where
they will be
exposed to the harsh Spring weather. Before planting seedlings or
sexed
females they should be put outside and closely monitored at
least three days before planting
to become acclimated to the wind
and change in temperature.
This method works best when
you can set up a small shelter
near your sites that is enclosed but not insulated. This
shelter
can be as small as the site and 18 inches tall or big enough to
walk in,
providing you have a safe location for such a structure.
Starting seeds in this shelter gives
the benefit of acclimating
seedlings to a temperature much closer to that which they will
face
when they are planted in the site and it will also protect them
from any late
Spring snows and/or frosts.
C) Planting sexed females:
The advantage of planting
sexed females is obvious; every
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plant will produce buds. The sex of
plants can be determined by
growing them until they’re four inches high, and then
decreasing
the amount of light they receive to eight hours. The males are
then
identified and removed in one to two weeks. This method
requires being able to control the
amount of light the plants
receive each day, and also requires that plants be started
indoors
earlier than you would normally start (late February - early
March). This method
allows growers to spread their plants across
a wide area in smaller sites and also to hide
plants amongst small
trees and shrubs. By spreading two dozen female plants throughout
a
ten acre area in individual sites, a harvest is almost
guaranteed, providing that you remember
where all the sites are.
Growers are encouraged to create a map of their sites to insure
Putting anything about your
operations in writing puts you at risk.
3. Weeding:
Three weeks after the
plants or seeds are in the ground return
to remove weeds that are crowding out the kind erb.
Three weeks
after the first weeding a second weeding should take place. A
third weeding
is optional, by this time the plants should be large
enough to compete with the weeds,
however, if you are in a site
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that has strong weeds around it you
may have to cut the weeds back
at additional times throughout the year. Remember, weeding
does
not mean destroying all vegetation within three feet of a plant.
Weeds can help
hide your crop and protect your crop from hungry
animals. Nearby vegetation can also help keep
water in the soil
from evaporating in the hot sun. So don’t go overboard and be very
careful, it’s very easy to accidently injure small plants or their
roots trying to get rid of
weeds.
4. Removing Males:
(If you are growing sexed females these trips can be
omitted)
Male plants will begin to produce their flowers and pollen as
early as mid July
for varieties acclimated to this climate.
Varieties from more southern climates, may not
start until mid
September. This difference depends on the budding cycle of your
variety,
some plants start to bud earlier than others, so the exact
time to cut the males will vary
with the strain. If you are using
a variety of different seeds it may be necessary to visit
once a
week from July 21 through September 15. The timely identification
of a male plant
is crucial to the success of the harvest. If the
weather is exceptional during the time a male
starts producing its
flowers and you missed seeing the first signs during your last
visit, you could wind up with a lot of seeds and little of the fine
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erb. A female can either generate a large seedless bud, a large
bud with a few seeds, or a
large bud that is almost totally seeds.
The first case is achieved by removing all the male
plants before
any of their flowers open. The second case occurs when a few male
flowers
have opened but you remove them before any more open. The
third case occurs when you miss-time
the flowering of the male.
This can be devastating if you have big female plants because
you
could loose 90% of the smokable erb to seed production. This last
scenario may not
always be bad though. If you are short on seeds
for the next growing season, it may be prudent
to let one or two
males stand and fertilize a portion of the females. Good seeds are
hard to come by, so if you have a strain you like, make sure to
plan ahead and have at least a
few hundred seeds for the future.
The spotting of males is one of the most difficult of
things to
explain to a person that’s never grown since it really takes
careful attention
to how the tops of male plants look at this stage
of development. Even experienced growers
will be unsure at times
and will have to wait till the next visit to be sure. When a male
where a bud would develop
will start to grow what looks like a
little bud but it will have no white hairs coming out of
it.
5. The Fungus:
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Along with cops, thieves, animals,
and insects, "the fungus"
is another obstacle in the path of a successful growing
season.
When the buds are roughly half developed they become susceptible to
a fungus or
bud rot. It appears that growing conditions for the
fungus are best when temperatures are
between 60 and 80 degrees and
the humidity is high. The fungus is very destructive and
spreads
quickly. It is a spore type of fungus that travels to other buds
via the wind so
it is impossible to prevent or stop if weather
conditions permit it to grow. If things should
go badly and the
fungus starts to attack your plants, you must remove it immediately
or
it will spread to other areas of the plant or plants. Some
growers will remove just the
section of the bud that is infected
whereas other growers will remove the entire branch.
Removal of
the entire branch better insures that the fungus is totally
removed, and also
enables the grower to sample the crop a few weeks
ahead of time. The main point in removing
the fungus is to be very
careful. Since it is a spore type of fungus, the accidental
jerking of an infected bud will release some of the spores and they
could fall onto a lower
bud so by the next visit, you might have to
pull that bud too. Also be careful in touching the
fungus with
your fingers because your fingers could pick up the spores and then
when you
touch the next bud, the spores could cling to it and start
eating away at that bud.
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6. Emergency Visits:
The Real Estate and Construction
Industries have conspired to
develop housing near your crop and their "progress"
must be
monitored. A hurricane or tropical storm with winds over 50 miles
per hour has
visited your area. A drought takes place. etc. One
of the drawbacks of growing outdoors is
that you can not control
for interference by outside forces. Emergency visits may be
necessary but don’t go crazy every time there’s a bad storm. These
plants are strong and can
take some punishment.
The Harvest
Performed at night if possible. A
nighttime run will limit
the chances of someone seeing you. Do the most risky parts, such
passing car, when the
police jurisdiction changes shift. This can
help ensure that officials do not spot you, and if
a nosey nearby
resident or passerby calls the police, it may take time before a
car is
dispatched to investigate. If harvesting at night, use
flashlights sparingly so as not to
attract attention, and bring
extra batteries just in case(the rechargeable kind are
recommended). When harvesting more than a couple of plants
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remember
a small pocket knife because it makes the night move
quicker. Unless you are planning to use
the large fan leaves for
cooking, remove them in the field so they don’t take up a lot of
harvesting bring various bags
to put the different strains of buds
in, and I would suggest using backpacks for travel to
avoid
suspicion and for easy handling.
When to Harvest
The
time to harvest depends on several factors: bud
development, weather, fungus, and thieves.
Some pot strains mature
earlier in the fall than others, depending on the latitude of the
varieties in late September
and Columbian varieties in late
October. The weather may also force you to pull early. If
there
is a severe freeze heading your way, you are better off not
chancing that the
weathermen are wrong and pull at least a majority
of what you have. Another case for pulling
early is if weather
conditions are perfect for the fungus to run wild. This will also
force you to pull early. And of course if your site has been found
or is in great danger of
being found, you must pull everything to
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avoid loosing out on what
would otherwise have been a great year.
For instance, if you have a site in a corn field or
other temporary
situation, the harvest must occur at a point in time relatively
independent of weather. Also try to find out if and when hunters
start to roam the fields.
damage plants so watching the
weather closely in late September and
throughout October is important. If your plants do get
damaged by
frost the erb is still harvestable so don’t give up entirely if you
fail to
chop before the first frost. If by some freak chance there
is a frost in early September and
the buds are still very small you
may want to allow the damage to occur and then let the buds
finish
maturing rather than harvesting a small quantity of premature
buddage. This type
of situation is an on the spot call and you
must consider many factors, such as bud size,
weather predictions
for the following weeks, strain of weed, location of site, etc.,
before deciding. Indica varieties usually mature sooner than
sativa varieties, and the best
time to harvest varieties acclimated
to the Northeast is from late September to mid October.
Those
varieties not acclimated to the Northeast, such as Columbian or
Jamaican, are best
left to late October or even mid November if the
weather permits. One other thing you want to
avoid is harvesting
in the rain. Moisture can lead to problems in the drying process
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such as molds and fungi. The dryer the plants at the harvest date
the better.
As mentioned before, it is important to acquire seeds from
strains that can
be grown at the latitude you are at, some Mexican
or Colombian varieties may not develop
mature buds until November
and by then the weather becomes harsh. Knowing when your plants
for the first season.
important so the buddage is not
left in bags for longer than a few
hours. If the freshly harvested bud remains in bags for too
long
(12 hours or more), molds and fungus will begin to destroy the erb.
Once you get
to your drying location you need to prepare the erb
for drying. This entails removing excess
fan leaves and other
larger leaves. However, if the drying spot has a temperature
higher
than 85 degrees it may be beneficial to leave a few large
leaves to keep the buds from drying
too quickly. Typical places to
dry are attics, closets, dresser drawers, and basements. The
best
position for a bud to dry in is hanging upside down in a location
where air can
circulate all around it. If you are fortunate to
have a location that you can do this in,
great, otherwise use a
dresser drawer or some other concealed place. If you dry the buds
in dresser drawers remember not to double stack the buds or the
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weight of the upper layer of buds will cause a flat spot on the
buds underneath. Also
remember to rotate the buds every day so the
erb dries uniformly and you can check for any
signs of mold or
fungus. If space permits and you are able to retrieve the whole
plant,
roots and all, you can hang them upside down by the roots,
but don’t expect this drying
procedure to yield higher quality bud.
THC does not drain from the roots down into the buds,
the THC forms
in the resin on the buds. The entire drying process should take
place over
four to six days depending on the size and variety of
bud, the temperature, and the relative
humidity of the drying area.
If the buds are dried too quickly, the flavor of the erb will
If the pot is dried too
slowly then molds and fungi may develop and
have a similar effect. With any method of drying,
the process must
be monitored on a day-to-day basis. Room temperature is fine for
drying
as long as the humidity is kept low. If drying must take
place in a cool damp place then a fan
and possibly a heater should
be installed to compensate.
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Article 14716 (25 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Public account
Subject: Re:
Info request: does serotonin affect hormone levels?
Organization: Reed College, Portland,
OR
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 22:30:18 GMT
Lines: 29
In article
<1993Apr8.151909.21226@shearson.com> cfurious@somewhere.com
(Curious Furious)
writes:
> Does anybody know what effects, if any, changes in serotonin levels due
to
> ingesting MDMA may have on the body’s sexual hormone levels? i.e can it
cause
> a woman to skip a menstrual cycle for example ? What about psylocybin?
>
> A female friend of mine was told by a doctor that since MDMA affects
serotonin,
> and since serotonin controls various glands that produce sexual
hormones, the
> reproductive system would be thrown totally out of whack…
>
>
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> thanx,
> Curious
Probably quite true. Serotonin is assumed to be responsible for
sexual
functioning among other things (mood and so on). However, I have
been unable to find any
extant research articles that indicate behavioural
effects of serotonin loss. Some research
has found that serotonin axons
regenerate although this is a point of some controversy
currently.
Psylocybin is not serotonin mediated.
Are you concerned that your MDMA
ingesting female friend might be
pregnant?
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Article 14717 (24 more) in alt.drugs:
From: ben feist
Subject: Psychodelic
graphics program for the IBM?
Organization: Trent University, Peterborough
Date: Thu, 8
Apr 1993 22:35:57 GMT
I remember a while back there was a post for a acid tripping
program. I
couple friends and I used to like to stare at FRACTINT in color cycling
mode, but the novelty wore off. I’m interested in FTPing this program.
Could someone please
post the file name and FTP site? Thanks. Oh, please
e-mail it to me at BFEIST@trentu.ca since
I don’t check this news group
that often. Thanks in advance.
Ben.
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Article 14718 (23 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Public account
Subject: Re:
DMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 22:40:34 GMT
Lines: 13
In article <C56o83.BLr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jroberts@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
> I have seen repeated references to the ease with which DMT can
be made
(or
> at least the relative ease). Does anyone have any specific info? I
have
> seen this question before, but don’t remember a reply.
>
be produced instead. Some
kids in Berkeley recently tried to make some
DMT; they lesioned their hippocampuses and are
pretty much kinda
dull-witted nowadays.
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Article 14719 (22 more) in alt.drugs:
From: Public account
Subject: Siegal
and morphine tolerance
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993
22:45:42 GMT
Lines: 20
Probably the wrong group for this but, what
the heck, maybe some of you
are interested in academic studies of drug use.
Would anyone like to discuss Siegel’s homeostatic theory to explain the
occurence of
compensatory (opposite) conditioned responses (CR) when
presented with a salient CS after
morphine training (US) preceeded by CS.
IF this makes no sense to you then don’t bother
responding. If it makes
sense to you then you know what I am talking about and you should
email
me.
I am particulary interested in explaining Siegel’s findings in terms
of
Wagner’s (1981) SOP theory (Sometimes Opponent Process) or perhaps the
comparator
hypothesis. If any one has any good references of experiments
in which a backward paradigm
elicited drug compensatory responses (in
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accordance with SOP) then
I would be particularly interested.
Peter
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Article 14720 (21 more) in alt.drugs:
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From: rintoul bradley e
Subject: Re: Tim Leary
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 22:48:11 GMT
Organization: University of
Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 33
crimson@banzai.WPI.EDU (Jesus Christ on XTC)
writes:
>[note: a.s.h. dropped because there's no reason for it in this thread]
>rint69@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (rintoul bradley e) writes:
>>I admire the dude a
little, but when he goes back and looks at stuff
>>he thought of and believed in in the
past and calls it "a bunch of
>>shit" I dunno.
>you would
rather someone stagnate than grow?
>Or is it just that you desire heros or some such
bullshit to look up to and
>they’re supposed to be ‘constant’?
This seems a
little harsh…
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Well, I’m all for growing, but do you think that if
you were listening
to him tell all about microchips in your brain that’re gonna allow you
would
believe that *he* actually believes it? (sorry, long sentence,
I hope you see my point) To me,
there *does* come a time where you sort
of have to take a stand on things. Next year Leary’ll
probably say that
microchips in the brain is a bunch of shit (which it is). I don’t desire
from my
post…
Like I said, I admire the guy too; ’cause he’s "seen" some shit (I
believe)
that I’ll never experience. I suppose all the "open-minded" people out
there
would like no one to ever have an opinion (a sign of close-mindedness) and
to
accept all viewpoints on a topic (to deny that one view might be wrong or
inappropriate would
be close-minded). Sorry, you can flame me for that, I
am getting a little carried aw