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Old 07-23-2008, 06:53 PM
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1. Depends which rights you are talking about. Would I die for my firearm? (I don't own one BTW.) No. I don't think I'd lay down my life for anything unless I thought it would make a difference.
The right to "keep & bear arms" here in American is our right as citizens to rebel against our government. The right to own a weapon (not only limited to firearms) is key to allowing a civilian population to defend any other rights. So yes it is something, I could see fighting for. Of course our first amendment leaves various safe guards for abuse of 2nd amendment rights.

Why would you not see having the power to defend yourself and your rights as not something to fight for?

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2. My point was that as long as Mugabe has the backing of the military he is immovable. Few (if any) civilian populations could hope to beat their own military. Zimbabwe is no exception.
In one way you are very correct, in another way you may be wrong. You are correct in that few civilian populations have what is takes to defeat a larger military force. However, I'd like to point out that the leading sources of information on guerrilla warfare say something quite different.

Che Guevara wrote that a popular (guerrilla) forces can win a war against (an) army and that it is not necessary to wait until all conditions for making revolution exist; the insurrection can create them.
Che-Lives.com - Che Guevara Lives - Archive

FM 31-21 the US army special forces guerrilla warfare manual, states the guerrilla soldiers control all areas of operation by their ability to blend into a population. If the military uses excessive force killing its own civilians to get suspected or known guerrillas/terrorist. The harder the government responds against its own people the more the rebels appear to a) threaten the government and b) the more likely it will drive people to join said rebellion.

Of course Che also points out that as long as the government pretends to hold legal power, no true rebellion can take place. However, fighting need not take place with violence either and from my personal prospective I think a rebellion would have to begin with education (counter-propaganda and propaganda).

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3. Learning how to spell a word correctly is never a waste of time.
Very true...
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