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[kbk]

I personally think that would be fine, but in the end it's your call. Good luck.

[drkkain]

Yea, You'd be fine...

[headcase]

After the Agent Lemon extraction, can you cook the liquid you're left with into a powder, like with ketamine? I know it's virtually pointless, but crystal DXM sounds pretty cool, and I wouldn't mind learning to cook on something that doesn't cost 50e plus a pop.

[StraightEdge]

Originally Posted by headcase

After the Agent Lemon extraction, can you cook the liquid you're left with into a powder, like with ketamine?

Theoretically, yes. However, it's rather messy. I've tried boiling it down to a powder and you get lemon shit as well as the crystals. It's a very impure and nasty powder you are left with. I'd advise just drinking the liquid.

[headcase]

Hmm, SWIM imagines a better market for crystal though, given that most people don't know shit. Cocaine come's as crystal. So does ketamine, and DMT if you can find it. It'll sound genuine by association. Plus, ket sells for 60 a gram.

Speaking of DMT, can you smoke DXM? I know the similarities stop at the acronyms, but I'm curious.

Also, when SWIMs friends cooked the ketamine, it wasn't a case of just boiling it down. There was glucose involved somewhere, I'm sure. I'll have a read around.

Edit: Nope, you cannot smoke, or snort, freebase DXM. Smoking it is pretty damn toxic, and snorting it does nothing. Orally or bust.

It's easy to freebase, just evaporate the lighter fluid instead of adding the citric acid. This is really only useful for storage though, as freebase DXM isn't water-soluable so it might not work to swallow. It should react with your stomach acid and work anyway, but for the sake of mixing it with lemon juice, why risk it?

I'll probably still make freebase though, just to say I did it.

And about the ketamine, liquid ketamine is just ketamine, not dissolved crystals like DXM, that's why cooking it is more complex, which I should have known.

[StraightEdge]

You could dissolve freebase DXM in something like olive oil and drink. Although that isn't a recipe for the health-nuts.

[S7@1T3D]

CWE(Cold Water Extraction)

The Procedure
1. Obtain a quantity of tablets containing codeine, check to see if they contain anything other than codeine, caffeine, acetaminophen or aspirin. If they do, and you don't know whether or not it will be a problem, your best bet is not to use them. Measure out your desired amount of codeine (ex. 64 mg = 8 tablets * 8mg/tablet). You may want to add 2 extra tablets as it is quite likely you will lose some codeine in the procedure. As you get more experience with the procedure you will be able to get approx. 95% of the codeine extracted.

2. Measure out some nice hot water, use approx. 40ml / 20 tablets or more if needed. I would suggest you don't go over 50ml for 20 tablets. I don't know if the use of boiling water would destroy any of the codeine but your best bet is not to use it. Use hot water but not boiling. Make sure the tablets dissolve completely. Some dissolve on contact with water while others need some help dissolving by crushing them. Note : not all of the tablet will dissolve, there are water-insoluble fillers in the tablet and not all of the A/A will dissolve either(which is what we want).

[Most sources recommend that codeine not be stored at temperatures in excess of 40C (104F), so its probably better to use warm, but not hot, water. I find that it is best to crash the tablets completely in a container, and then dissolve them in a glass with water.]

3. Place the solution in a frezzer for 15 mins, than switch it to the fridge for 30mins.

4. Filter the solution using whatever you have. Coffee filters work well, but lab filters work the best. Just make sure you don't end up with obvious solids in the filtered solution. This will take about 1 hr. You may also want to rinse the solids left over in the filter with some ice-water to extract any remaining codeine.



5. Drink and enjoy! The solution will be _very_ bitter. The taste isn't really bad but it's similar to sucking on a lemon.

[One gets used to the taste after a while.]



6. Sit back and wait for the effects. Because the codeine is already in solution it only needs to be absorbed, while codeine in the tablet form must dissolve before being absorbed. Because of this, the effects will probably become noticeable within 15min.

Note : I don't suggest you evaporate the mixture unless you are willing to wait a while. The Merck index warns that codeine is sensitive to heat and light. For that reason if you wish to evaporate the mixture, do it without heat, and shield the solution from light.

Codeine Type Solubility (31C water) Solubility (21C water)
Aspirin 1g / 100 ml 1g / 300ml
Acetaminophen 1g / 70 ml 1g / 150 ml
Codeine 1g / 2.3 ml 1g / 0.7 ml
Phosphate ?g / ? ml ?g / ? ml

[Big Werm]

Thanks a billiion. The only problems i'm curius about are:
1. Im under 18 and cannot buy lighter fluid.. Steel some?
2. I have never seen any OTC medicine with codeine in it. Maybe im not looking hard enough? Go to the local drug store and look around? I live in the usa.

So I can make a codeine or dxm drink. Sounds great. Drinking cough syrup sucks so bad I would gladly extract the dxm. Im more curius about the codeine though, as ive never done it. Im going to have to look around for this pill with codeine in it..

[Random]

Originally Posted by Big Werm

2. I have never seen any OTC medicine with codeine in it. Maybe im not looking hard enough? Go to the local drug store and look around? I live in the usa.

Do any of these products look familiar?

[Big Werm]

I've only been looking in grocery markets.. I'll take a ride down to the drug store and peep around.

This codeine thing excites me!! I've done dxm and dont care for it. I mean the feeling is great, but its hard to function around people. Not only that it is hell on your bank roll. If you need 4 bottles to get where you want to be, and the bottles are 5$ a pop. Ugh no thanks.

Drinking alc is dandy. I don't go out much. So I prefer to get high or trip.

Dramamine is shitty. It makes you itch and twitch. Zones you out big time too. Unless you take enough to put you out of it like 1000mg + the side effects are to harsh. Also if you take enough for it to be "fun" then you cannot be around people. You must not talk to any one. Besides its not really fun at the time anyways.. the most fun part is thinking about what you did or said the next day.

So I neeeeeeeeeed to find medication that is OTC with codeine. The extraction sounds easy enough that even I should be able to do it. For now im off to read up on erowid on experience reports. Hopefully we even have codeine otc around here..

Thanks for the help so far every one.

[weedfein]

I drank 1 and 1/2 4oz bottles of vix formula 44 cough last weekend and it was weard, I was walking around at night and the shadows of tree lims looked like cracks in the road. That was the only hallocinations i had on that. About 2 hours ago i did that codine extraction process with 7 tynol (sp) 3's i got 4 my broken arm, i drank it and it works pretty good. I wish i was percribed more than 15 though



I have sum oxycodone that have tynol(sp) in them 2, can i use the same process as i did with the codine tynol(sp) pill 4 the oxy pill also?

[Big Werm]

Yes. I used it with vikas

[XeroKill]

Greetings,

I am new to the forums here and this discussion really piqued my interests. I had a broken back a couple years ago and since then I have had a pretty much never ending prescription for Hydrocodone/APAP 7.5/325. What I am wondering is if the CWE process listed above would be valid for extraction with the Hydrocodone in order to eliminate the acetaminophen (APAP) portion of it. The doctors tell me that it will most likely cause a lot of liver and kidney damage over the years so I am curious to see if it is possible to get the good stuff from it without the need for the Tylenol part. I am hesitant about trying the Agent Lemon process because I am not to partial to the idea of mixing my medications with lighter fluid and ammonia then drinking the result. Call me prude, but it just doesn't sound like something I am willing to risk without seeing some one that I trust do it first.

Thanks in advance.

The main reason I ask is because of this part of the Erowid extraction page:

It appears that acetaminophen (paracetamol, APAP) doesn't survive the acid-base extraction process and so either of the above acid-base processes, preferrably Agent Lemon, may work. However, I wouldn't bet my life on it, and if you try this without some means of testing for acetaminophen in the final product, that's exactly what you will be doing.

If you want to try this out, find yourself a lab that can test for acetaminophen and do some research. It may be possible to test for acetaminophen, then again this test may not be effective. See Section 11.3 for one reader's suggestion.

The other option is to use acetaminophen's low solubility in cold water to your advantage (this is frequently done by people who extract the codeine from codeine+acetaminophen tablets). The theory is that if you take your product dissolved in water and chill it to near freezing, the acetaminophen will become insoluble, and you can filter it out. If you want to try this, do it with the end product of the Agent Lemon process; chilling cough syrup will leave you with a thick goo that isn't easily filtered.

Again, let me emphasize: go ahead and try this if you have access to a lab that can test for acetaminophen; otherwise, don't risk liver damage or death. It's relatively easy to get cough syrups without acetaminophen anyway.

EDIT: Second question - If I were to use this extraction method successfully how would it compare to just taking the pills as prescribed both in terms of relative high and pain relief? Would I have to dissolve a lot more pills than I normally take (2/4 hours or 8/day) due to the extraction loss? Also would the high/pain relief last as long, longer, or shorter? I know that the narcotic is a short term opiate and has a very short activity life, but I wonder if that would change if the acetaminophen is removed from the equation.

Sorry for asking so many questions, but this truly intrigues me.

[headcase]

I don't think anyone is certain if the extraction is valid for APAP, and unfortunately, there's no way of testing your final product for APAP (short of sending it to a lab, or taking a lot to see if you die). Erowid can speculate, but you're right to disregard that. I'll have a look around for more concrete info.

About the ammonia and lighter fliuid, the lighter fluid will evaporate at room temperature, so boiling the mixture will guarentee the lighter fluid is removed. In the DXM extraction at least, the ammonia should stay seperate from the medication (one being polar and the other non-polar means they won't mix). It should hold true for APAP. I'll have to read up though.

[XeroKill]

It is one of those things for me that is kind of akin to performing tests with electricity. Everything about the laws of physics tell you that if you are properly insulated and not apart of the circuit, you are perfectly safe... yet after nearly a decade of working with high voltage electricity... I always feel a sense of impending doom, even though I know I am perfectly safe.

The same can be said of this. I know the chemistry is accurate and all the laws say that you will be perfectly safe... but the irrational side of me says "Dude... it's ammonia and lighter fluid, ya moron!"

I know I could perform the steps as they are in no way complicated... but I don't know if I would be willing to drink the result. I guess I am just getting old... 10 years ago I would have chugged it with out even asking what it was or where it came from.

As for the CWE method I have been doing some research and I don't think it will be a 100% method for removing the acetaminophen. It is probable that the large bulk of it will be removed, but it won't remove it all.

Now this leads me to my final question. If the tablet contains 325mg of acetaminophen and the process were to remove a good majority of it, what danger is there beyond what there would be from just taking the pills normally. The recommended dosage of acetaminophen is 3900mg a day (according to Tylenol.com and their max suggested dosage/day). I take 8 of the pills a day for normal use, so I get 2600mg a day. Now as far as I understand the CWE method does not alter the chemistry of the items in question but rather it takes advantage of the difference in solubility of each in order to seperate them. So considering that, the CWE method should only reduce the acetaminophen in the Hydrocodone and leave you with a more pure substance.

Am I incorrect in this assessment?

[headcase]

Yeah, that all seems fine. There should be no danger beyond that of taking the pills normally. It couldn't possibly be polluted, all you added was water.

The question is whether you would trust the success of the CWE. Would you take an amount of Hydrocodone that would normally contain a dangerous amount of APAP?

Personally, I'd hedge my bets. I would probably take more then I would normally, as the CWE surely removed some of the APAP, but I'd estimate it at maybe 30-40% removed (while a more accurate guess would be 60-70%). Again though, you would be risking your liver on guesswork on a process I've never tried.

Maybe if you could find a control. Mix two substances with similar solubility to Hydrocodone and APAP, substances that you can test for. Do a CWE and see how it works out.

Or, on second thought, weigh out your mass of tablets. Do the CWE, and re-weigh the filtrate. The missing weight should be mostly APAP. Still not concrete, but every little bit helps.

[StraightEdge]

If any of you guys have access to a chemistry lab you could run an IR and/or NMR of the extracted sample. If you could obtain either of these two test results (both would be ideal) I could analyze them and estimate the paracetamol percentage.

If worst comes to worst you could do a density test. Measure out a precise amount of the extracted sample, weigh, and calculate the density. Then use the masses of each component to give a ballpark estimate of the concentration of each.

[smoker67]

can u get high from smoking penut skins or poppy seeds??

[headcase]

No, and probably not. You need some opium extraction skills.

[Syrus]

As i said in the other thread poppy seeds are good in a nice poppy pod/seed tea.