Compare and Contrast; Benzodiazepines

[headcase]

Every mention I've made of these in the past I've grouped under one heading; downers. This might give the impression that they're all the same shit just with different names, when in fact nothing could be further from the truth. Like fine wines, experience breeds understanding and appreciation. While my experience is still quite lacking, the sum of all of ours might make some useful reading. So please, share what you can.

For those of you confused, Wikipedia on Benzos. I'll also source a lot of my personal info there for the sake of accuracy and vocabulary (sedative, anxiolytic, hypnotic etc).

1. Diazepam (Valium): While I've probably taken more of these that any other, my understanding of it is suprising limited. Reason is, the only time I've taken it in quantity is in the aftermath of another drug (usually MDMA) and only in aid of sleep. While it succeeded without question, 50mg of Valium would. While sober, I've never excceeded 10mg (your garden variety D-10) and once again, only in aid of sleep. In this case it's success has been reasonable. On the plus side, it's mild and short acting so you don't have to worry about being zombified in the morning. I also have some fond memories of trying to follow some bizarre episodes of Aqua Teen Hunger Force thanks to this.

2. Alprazolam (Xanax): Ah Xanax, sweet Xanax. The best of all the worlds in my opinion. 2mg of Xanax will suffice for almost all situations. It will put you to sleep, it will pass the time with indifference, it will help if your feeling down and it even works on a night out. This is noteworthy because most Benzos, as stated, will zombify you. You're not getting into a club after clonazepam, ativan or (god forbid) nitrazepam. But with Xanax, your cool, calm and collected (to the extent that I spent last Friday night in a gay bar and it didn't bother me).

3. Clonazepam (Klonopin): I have one experience with this drug and it'll be my last. My main issue was it's extremely long-lasting effects. I lost a week to this shit. What happened? I can't remember, but I've found some pretty retarded posts here on Bombshock and elsewhere from that period. I also had trouble standing up (as in from sitting) and I walked into a lot of people due to the whole "muscle relaxant" side of it. My mind was working at about 20% capacity and I slurred my speech (for days). Best avoided.

4. Lorazepam (Ativan): While I have no personal experience with this, every story I've heard has been hilariously disasterous. From getting a flat tire in the Irish countryside on New Years Eve with no phone, to "ruining Christman and New Years", to telling one's parents they have to go to school tomorrow (Christmas Day) because their class is climbing Mount Kilimanjaro, to walking around the street in one's underpants while zombified (and oblivious to the fact)..... the list goes on. Best avoided, I do believe.

5. Nitrazepam (Mogadon): From Wikipedia: "It is a powerful hypnotic drug which possesses strong sedative, anxiolytic, amnestic, anticonvulsant, and skeletal muscle relaxant properties". This can only end in disaster. Watch this space.

[stimulerium]

Xanax is probably the best and Valium is pretty nice too. I've only used them recreationally so I wouldn't have experience with their real uses.

How much Klonopin did you take?

[headcase]

Four, in one go. And I'm a lightweight with roach so one would probably have done me. I don't know what I was thinking but there were a few other drugs involved too...

Edit; and that's 2000.

[stimulerium]

Wow, benzos can get you messed up sometimes, especially the longer lasting ones. Short lasting ones like Xanax are all I've tried. I took a bit too much once and kept blacking out and later on found tipped over lamps and running faucets in my house. I kept running into things too. I think I took 8 mg with no tolerance.

Can't benzodiazepine or barburiate withdrawal kill you? I thought addiction to them is more dangerous than heroin or something.

[headcase]

I don't think benzos can cause death (apart from overdose). Barbiturates can indirectly (seizures and heart attacks), but few people use barbiturates anymore. The risk of overdose is also much higher.

[blackdeath88012]

diphenhydramine (benadryl) - God, i wish i hadn't taken this. I developed a fever, and during class i closed my eyes and my family was in the seats next to me. kinda hard to cope with while u have a fever,and are tired as hell. here's some of the side effects:
profound drowsiness, motor impairment, dry mouth and throat, flushed skin, rapid or irregular heartbeat, blurred vision, abnormal sensitivity to bright light, pupil dilatation, urinary retention (more like your bladder closes up and you can't pee), constipation, difficulty concentrating, short-term memory loss, visual disturbances, confusion, erectile dysfunction, and delirium, Severe, prolonged twitching and muscle spasm have also been experienced.(as far as the twitching goes. every muscle in my body clenched for about 1 second every 15 seconds. imagine rolling yourself up tightly into a ball involuntarily for 4 hours. not so much fun.)

all this so you may or may not hallucinate..

sorry about the long post on it but benzos are pretty dangerous, and imo not worth it

[headcase]

Diphenhydramine is not a benzodiazepine.

[blackdeath88012]

shit, my bad.:shock:
Shocked still, a little helpful info tho

[ilovetoblowthingsup]

I just got my hand on some valiums!! YEAH. Behind the pill it says

APO
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5

does this mean its 5 mg? Also how much should i take to get a good trip?

[headcase]

You don't trip off valium. Unless you take it in conjunction with MDMA, in which case you trip monkey-balls.

With 5mgs you'd probably need at least 2. How big are you? 10mg is a cozy night for me. 20mg is a good night. Any more than that is a special occasion.

[ilovetoblowthingsup]

WOHOOO! means im gonna try taking 4 pills all together. Headcase i heard that valium makes people fat ( side effect?) . Is this true? I'm fucking trying to get my abs and shit . im 55 kg ( 121 pounds) . I tried two a couple of days ago, all it did was make me tipsy and i nearly fell a few times. Neat stuff and i fell on my bed then dozed off immediately. According to erowid.org , there was this guy who took 20 mg with alcohol and he saw bright colours , felt that tiem was slowing down or either getting faster. Is this all possible ?

[headcase]

I guess the time changes are possible, but I'd say it's just percieved that way rather than anything drastic. Same deal with the colours. You might think they're brighter but chances are it's just your imagination.

Even the MDMA trips are more hallucinations than visuals. For instance, people get very confused, see things that aren't there and confuse objects. Like I posted elsehwere, my friend tried to eat his wallet (because the brown leather looked like a burger), drink a clock (probably because he had some McDonalds scenario in his head and associated the burger with a drink) and climb into a wardrobe (I have no idea why he climbed into the wardrobe). So it's not like you sit there enjoying the pretty colours. It's not that kind of trip. If you take small doses, you can enjoy the confusion (if that's the kind of thing you enjoy), but have no preconceptions.

[blackdeath88012]

how much Clonazepam (Klonopin) would be an ideal dose for a 1st time? i'm 160lbs.

[headcase]

One would probably be too little, but two would be a lot. If you're in a safe place then just go for two instead of messing with halves.

[ilovetoblowthingsup]

thanks headcase :P

[RELOAD045]

Originally Posted by headcase

I don't think benzos can cause death (apart from overdose).

Serious withdrawl from benzos can cause catatonia & convulsions which can then lead to death.

[fcuktart]

I was curious as to where Cinolazepam would fit on that list? I've read that it's not approved for sale in North America but other than that I'm not finding too much specific information on them in relation to other benzos.

[grand_enchantress]

Oh Valium(1) before alcohol, is brill because that way I can drink ALOT and not black out or get that damn hangover the next morning. Other than that, I haven't really dosed on more than one pill.

[headcase]

Originally Posted by grand_enchantress

Oh Valium(1) before alcohol, is brill because that way I can drink ALOT and not black out or get that damn hangover the next morning.

I think you're mixing that one up a little. Generally, on benzos you don't have to drink as much to get extremely fucked up, but it's much easier to black out. With cocaine you can drink a lot more.

I've never tried (or come across) Cinolazepam. It's half-life is about half that of clonazepam (who's half-life was much, much too long), but that's about all I can find on it.

[REL0AD]

Originally Posted by fcuktart

Cinolazepam

It's a benzodiazepine derivative.

Oh Valium(1) before alcohol, is brill because that way I can drink ALOT and not black out or get that damn hangover the next morning.

Alcohol + valium gives quite the hangover, valium alone (in high doses) can give you a 'mong effect' the next day, which some would class as a hangover.

Headcase is right, your on about coke, whizz, base or meth (or another type of upper).

45mg with alcohol wiped me out...

[Junkman]

I have used, temazepam, (my favourite) lorazepam, zolpidem, and another which i cant remember the name of. Temazepam, (Tenox) gave me that drunk sleepy feeling. It was very pleasant. Zolpidem on the other hand made me drunk and hallucinate.

[Semtex_Roach]

Originally Posted by Junkman

Zolpidem on the other hand made me drunk and hallucinate.

Cheers to that.

Lorazepam is another other benzo i have done frequently (and therefore understand its effects).
I'm very sensitive to benzos, so 2mg is enough to have me smiling, completely relaxed with that "aaah" feeling if i'm curled up in bed (i'm a chronic insomniac so that feeling is deeply appreciated). It goes fantastically with red wine, a warm bed, and good literature.
The major drawback is the ridiculously slow metabolic rate of this drug - while the stronger effects last for about 8 hours in my case, with the day after being a calm and sleepy one (me being a jittery, paranoid freak), i will inevitably be left with a mild headache and feeling slightly stupid for a couple of days, which however I don't mind too much when i'm having periods of excessive paranoia.
As little as 0.4mg is enough for me to mellow out, so I never abuse it, and as I said the two day "after-buzz" can be a nuisance, so this one is for the holidays and days of massive sketchiness.

Xanax I have also done, and a lot of it, and while I enjoy it, and fully understand Headcase's appreciation of its social virtues, I find that due to its effects lasting so little (a couple of hours at best) I tend to prefer the pseudo-benzo zolpidem tartrate, which makes me trip balls while giving me the illusion that I am totally lucid (and nothing else gives me that). While this does not tend to go well in social situations (speaking in different languages to people without realising it, rolling on the floor laughing for absolutely no reason, etc.), it's pretty good for getting monstrously messy and giving the psychological finger to everybody around you, lol.

Benzos however i tend to prefer when alone.

[-inefficiency-]

I've done Diazepam and Temazepam, but thats it. Don't really have much experience with downers.

I found dropping a couple of valium and having a spliff on the river bank was very pleasurable. Just felt at ease and like everything was good. Totally relaxed and happy.

I've done Temazepam and Diazepam with alcohol before with mixed results, although usually it ends up in tears :P.

I remember the first time I had temazepam with alcohol was pretty messy.
You see, I can handle my drink usually. I can drink beer until theres none left and still be able to walk home. However, after having a few beers and then having 2 of the strongest temazepam available I started getting drunk very, very fast.

I can't remember much of the night, other than at some point I offended the owner of the house and decided to leave because if I offended them that easily then they must be a fucking douche and I don't want to party with pussies. Although chances are that I did or said something pretty bad.

I woke up in the morning with that kindof "Where am I?" feeling and my mates telling me that I'd gobbled so many 'mazzies that they didn't think I was going to wake up :P.

[S7@1T3D]

Hey Hc do you have any experince or a referance for Temazepam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia because i cant find shit on recreational value only a few reports on erowid.

Read ineffs but im lookin at just it solo or some erb with it.

[headcase]

No experience, but reading the Wiki, it's a benzo with hypnotic, anxiolytic, anticonvulsant, and skeletal muscle relaxant effects. You'll be sleepy, calm, and very sluggish. And you probably won't go into convulsions, but that's not really a recreational effect. It won't be a world away from the effects of every other benzodiazepines. The thing to watch out for is its "intermediate duration". It's take a while to wear off, which can mean over a day for me. I'd probably have to sleep twice to recover properly. Inefficiency will probably be of more help.

And yes, it'll go well with weed.

[aliby]

IMO the best rec benzo is alpraz. Alprazolam can be very euphoric at times. I've never experianced worse benzo amnesia though.

Clonaz- not very fun, think zombie

Diaz- decently recreational, think zombie that feels groovy

[S7@1T3D]

Originally Posted by headcase

No experience, but reading the Wiki, it's a benzo with hypnotic, anxiolytic, anticonvulsant, and skeletal muscle relaxant effects. You'll be sleepy, calm, and very sluggish. And you probably won't go into convulsions, but that's not really a recreational effect. It won't be a world away from the effects of every other benzodiazepines. The thing to watch out for is its "intermediate duration". It's take a while to wear off, which can mean over a day for me. I'd probably have to sleep twice to recover properly. Inefficiency will probably be of more help.

And yes, it'll go well with weed.

Cheer mate. Well just hope Ineff logs in soon. I have a few 10mg tabs atm.
What do you mean by it wont be a world away, i have never tried benzos before this is my first venture. Im more of a pot and opiates man myself.

[-inefficiency-]

hey.

Mazzies go really well with weed. You can pop a couple while you're rolling your spliff and you'll probably feel pretty comfy by the time you've smoked it.

By itself you'll just feel kinda chilled out. Comfortable and quite content with yourself .

Anthing specific that you want to know? or just generally "what is it like?"

EDIT:
To be fair, you've probably taken them by the time I made this post, but meh...

[S7@1T3D]

No i havnt im saving them for
A) no weed because i belive i could sleep of a 10mg pill i tried wit no mong.
B)fair bit of weed

Im on rashins atm lol till thursday night / friday morn

Im looking at good doses, what it feels like in general or differnt doses and prehaps a comparison.

[-inefficiency-]

Not too sure on doses because I never really take that into consideration whenever I take drugs (stupid I know). I've had good experiences on a few different doses.
I don't think dosage matters as long as its not too many. I've had 2 and had a really nice relaxed time, and I've had 8 and had a nice, if not a little monged, time.

I don't know how to descrive the feeling other than "Nice". I don't do them that much, but one of my mates has a bit of an addiction and he also sells them, so I normally end up getting a few for free every now and again if we're hanging out.

I generally don't take them on their own, but find them a good drug to take with something else; eg. Weed.