*General Ecstacy Discussion*

[-inefficiency-]

Oh come on, the "hangover" is barely even worthy or calling it that. All you need to do is get a half-decent nights sleep and you'll feel kind of slow and sluggish and floaty all the next day. Its not even unpleasant, its just kind of... indifferent.

I've had quite a few experiences with X now, and I don't even get the hangover anymore, I feel fine the next day - but like I said, its not even that bad to start with.

Has anyone ever drank the day afterwards? Its AMAZING. If I've had a handful of pills the night before, all I need to do is drink like a litre of strongbow (cider) and I'm pished. Its awesome. A bong or two normally canes me too.

I think maybe you didn't relax enough in your X experience. You've really got to let go and just let it take you. If you try to be analytical or even if you try and take things easy, you're just gonna have a shitty time. Its a party/disco drug, so you gotta party!

Strange that you prefer speed. I don't care for it too much (don't get me wrong, I still do it, just not often) and neither do my mates, but each to their own

You say it had a high price? What exactly did you pay if you don't mind me asking? I sold pills for a little while and I'm friends with two pill dealers, so I only pay £1 or £2 each.

[XeroKill]

When I said high price, I was not referring to a monetary sum, I was referring to the effects the next day. Perhaps I had some bad dope, or just a deficiency in a key vitamin that it depletes... but I remember the next day after my first X trip was the single most debilitating hang over I have ever felt. It was nearly a migraine for me, and I didn't get out of bed for fear of moving.

I am willing to chalk it up to a bad dose, or some other anomaly, but it was enough of a deterrent for me to never want to do it again. It was very much like when I was about 11 years old and I got snot slinging drunk for the first time. The next day I was so ill from it, I could not stand the smell or even the thought of beer for like a week. It was the same kind of experience. My friends talked about doing it again the next night and the mere thought of it made me ill. Hell even just typing this post makes me nauseas as I recall that night.

As a side note, I am never analytical of my highs.. I live for the moments. In fact I get pissy with a friend of mine that is always trying to act all tough and refuses to admit that anything gets him high. If its my stash I don't let him get high because I don't want him wasting my money so he can cross his arms and proclaim "This stuff sucks!" I do remember the experience though because it was so poor for me.

[-inefficiency-]

Aha I see. Thats strange, because all my friends seem to think they feel worse the day after taking a lot of speed than X. I feel fine either way, so meh.

Aha, I know the feeling you mean. Sometimes the day after I feel that I can't eat, and that in turn makes me start to feel a bit ill and rank. However, I find that if I have a nice hot shower as soon as I get up and then have some breakfast whilst telling myself "Its all in your head" then I'm fine afterwards.
I've found that these hangover days are, in fact "All in your head" and to get over them, you've just got forget all about it. After a while you don't even notice anymore.

And yeah, doing it two nights in a row is really shitty. The most nights I've done it in a row is 4 and I found the second night was terrible. All the other 3 were fine, but the second night things tend to get a little weird. X can make you go a bit mad if you do it too much.

I hate people who don't go with the flow. Leave the analyzing to the chemists. Drugs were created for the sole purpose of having fun and letting yourself go. People like that are dicks.
Reminds me of one of my buddies that I don't like taking anything with, although for different reasons. Me and my buddies are all heavy X users, whilst he hardly ever does it and he tries to keep up. Then theres the fact that this kid can't handle his drugs anyway. Basically, we'll all be taking like 6-10 pills a night and he'll do the same and whilst we're all partying and dancing and such, he'll sit in the corner under a blanket girning his face off.
I mean, I'd rather he just took 2 and ha a good night than tried to act tough and having what I would call a shitty night. I mean, it can't be fun to be in that state, so I don't know why he does it.

People need to know the difference between drugs use and drugs abuse.

I'm proud to be a drug user.

[Syrus]

Back when i first started taking pills (i mean E but our local slang is pills) the group of friends i did it with talked about this thing called the honeymoon period, this is when someone takes pills but doesn't really feel bad the next day, they just feel rewired. Now you can stay in this honeymoon period all your life.

Leaving your honeymoon period is (as my friend described it) when you start taking more then 2 pills at a time regularly. This is when you start to feel the real comedowns.

Needles to say thanks to some young stupidity i passed the honeymoon period a long time ago, though id would be lying if i didn't say i had fun.


And on a side note analysing is silly, either way you come to the same conclusion, sitting there thinking "oh my good look at my pupils, im wrecked".

[XeroKill]

Well I wouldn't have described my experience as a hang over except that it is the most appropriate term that applies. I was in physical pain, with a head ache that made me super sensitive to light and sound, but not as throbbing as a migraine. This was definitely not in my head, save the head ache part. I suppose it is a lot more logical that either I had an adverse reaction to it, or a bad dose. I tend to discount that it was a bad dose since none of my friends had this problem. All I know is that the following day I could not get out of bed, and the high that I got from it didn't out weigh the pain I felt so I never tried it again.

That is the only time I have ever reacted to a drug like, especially an upper. I think hang over is too loose a term... to me it was closer to withdraw that it was a hang over. For clarity I would guess that it was somewhere between a bad hang over and withdraw.

Who knows, maybe I will try it again some day, but it really left a bad taste in my mount (metaphorically speaking) and I don't want to take the chance of that happening again... if it was an adverse reaction, it could have killed me if I had done more. No high is worth that to me... I will stick with the tried and true.

[The Influence]

Originally Posted by XeroKill

it was an adverse reaction, it could have killed me if I had done more. No high is worth that to me... I will stick with the tried and true.

You shoulden't trun down XTC it's really a magical drug if you respect it. Next time you have the chance do a test.... Try takeing a small amount a see if you have the same reaction I don't know if it's possible but you may be allergic to it.

[headcase]

Hmm, I tried X first and loved it, then was disappointed with meth. You were the opposite. As it is with a few other friends......
I can think of a number of explainations for that but it'd all be guesswork.

On meth, I just feel full of energy, with nothing to do. Maybe I need to take it at a club or rave but thats the place for an ecstasy love-buzz surely?


As for the come-down, my X taking life has had three stages:

1. Beginner - took it easy, and beginners rarely have bad comedowns.

2. Insanity - completely overdid these nights. Upwards of ten good pills. Comedowns were horrific, but what was I doing taking ten pills?

3. Experienced - no more then four in a night and downers to sleep through the next day. Don't really remember any significant comedown (but after the downers, I probably wouldn't anyway).

The problem with this is, I can't really judge what life would be like if I had an average night, and no downers the next day. Moral of the story? Sort yourself out with some downers.

Never did meth enough to compare, only during that insanity period and the comedown was as bad (if not worse) then E.


As for the one-off crap experience, maybe that was all it was. Ecstasy is certainly my drug of choice, I wouldn't write it off so easy.







On an unrelated note, I decided not take pills with lesbian girl and her friends last weekend. I had things to do the next few days, but I promised to call them that night for one of those great loved-up conversations. Turns out - they got bunk pills! Decision justified.

[Syrus]

Originally Posted by headcase

but what was I doing taking ten pills?

The 10 didly challenge? Seriously though i know what you mean. i remember my 17 birthday (when i hadn't been taking them for that long) and i necked 6, to be fair i didn't feel that bad the morning after until i tried to jog home...


Now i know better.

[-inefficiency-]

I've had a couple of one off bad experiences, but to be fair, they weren't all bad.

Normally I have bad experiences when I've done it two or more nights in a row and I just feel rank towards the end of the night. Also, I think drinking lots or smoking lots of pot when you're on pills can make you feel a little weird - more the drinking than the smoking, but if you're on diddlers you shouldn't really be drinking too, so its my own fault.

[Synchronium]

Anyone had these new UFOs?

I've seen them in Birmingham and Nottingham now, in the space of about 2 weeks. They're quite large with a shitty UFO logo on (looks more like a crab) with little brown speckles in.

SWIM got them 5 for a tenner as opposed to 4, and they're still making him feel somewhat strange at 7 in the evening the following day.

SWIM had 2 and a spinner the previous night starting at 11ish, plus an eighth of pot between three people in total. SWIM also slept from 9-6.



Anyone else ever encountered them?

[Syrus]

It seems like so long since i last had pills, i need to stop procrastinating :P

[-inefficiency-]

I've had some clovers lately that made me feel a little weird...

Not encountered those before though, mate.

[headcase]

While I'm on the topic of LeJunk's drug washes, here's one for ecstasy - more straightforward then the one for cacaine.

This is a thread that I previously wrote on Bluelight. However, the results are remarkable to say the least! I perfected the art of cleaning cocaine, now it's ecstasy's turn! Enjoy!....................

As most of you are probably aware, I wrote the "cocaine purification......the absolute final thread" thread in OD. Well, I've decided to diversify and play my hand at cleaning ecstasy. Good news, it works! And it works really, really well!

Last night SWIM took some yellow Louis Vuittons and they felt like anything other than pure MDMA, though they certainly tested well for it with the EZ Extreme. Afterwards, SWIM could only attribute the experience to that of MDE, though SWIM really didn't know for sure. The problem, as most of you are aware, is that there is no test to differentiate between MDMA and MDE. And the problem with that is that one of those two is great while the other is, well, crap!

All day long SWIM was going back and forth wondering if it was indeed MDE or perhaps caffeine, seeing as how there's no test for that either. After agonizing over it for hours, SWIM decided to perform a simple anhydrous (water free) acetone wash on 4 pills. Caffeine is entirely soluble in acetone while MDMA is not. Therefore, you'll simply be rinsing the caffeine right off of your pills, or I guess powder at this point.

Well low and behold, these previous pills, now turned powder that SWIM thought might be MDE last night has been turned into nothing less than the smoothest, most beautiful molly type of MDMA high SWIM had in a very, very long time.

Like SWIM said, SWIM crushed up 4 pills and then washed them in acetone. The result was about 1/2 of what SWIM originally put in, but that's because there's no more fillers, binders, caffeine or a host of other nasty byproducts.

SWIM is doing this shit right now and it is nothing like last night. And this is back to back nights as well!

SWIM's been doing E since it was legal and SWIM will tell you, this is as good as it gets folks! That, and it's so easy to perform a small child could do it. If nothing else, it will drastically help to clean your pills of byproducts, binders and fillers, some of which cause stomach discomfort etc.

Let's put it this way: SWIM WILL NEVER DO A PILL AGAIN UNTIL HE CLEANS IT FIRST! There's just way to much, who knows what, in these pills nowdays to not do it. Personally, SWIM is going to do an anhydrous acetone wash followed by a cold water extraction on all my pills from now on. The same pills SWIM took two nights ago vs. the same cleaned up one's SWIM took last night are so far apart it's like a whole different drug! And that's in a good way. Did SWIM also state that when they were dirty he had stomach cramps? But absolutely none after cleaning them. So what does that tell ya? Well, you've got everything to gain and nothing to lose, that's all..............

Okay, SWIM says it's getting pretty hard to still read the screen, but he'll continue on as best he can. He is a soldier!

SWIM will outline below how to make hardware store acetone anhydrous by the use of epsom salts turned anhydrous magnesium sulphate with heating. But may SWIM strongly suggest that you just skip that and simply order lab grade anhydrous acetone via a chemical supply company. It's much better quality and it's not that expensive either. Nor is it a watched item. SWIM would order a 1 liter bottle, it's all you'll need for awhile. Here is the link: http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/10408/SLA3151

If not, you can make simple hardware/home store acetone anhydrous with the following directions:

When using 4 tabs as the control, take a tall shot glass or a 50 ml. glass beaker and fill it to 20 ml.s with anhydrous acetone. If you don't have anhydrous acetone, simply go to Home Depot, Menards, or Lowes and purchase a 1 liter can of acetone in the paint section. Also grab a bag of epsom salts. When you get home, spread some epsom salts out onto an aluminum covered baking sheet. Bake the salt for 2 hours at 400 degrees F. At the two hour mark, you should now have a greyish looking ash, better known as anhydrous magnesium sulphate. Scrap up about 15-20 grams of the magnesium sulphate ash and pour it directly into the can of hardware store acetone. Once it's all in, replace the lid and shake vigorously for about 5 minutes. This will insure that the magnesium sulphate has completely absorbed any and all of the water/alcohol that's in the hardware store acetone. Let stand for 24 hours to insure that all of the mag. sulphate has fully absorbed all of the water/alcohol and has thus sunk to the bottom of the can.

Now, never pour from the can again. We want that pile of goo, now at the bottom of the can, to stay there. So therefore, use a glass eye dropper to get down inside of the container to extract the acetone. Fill your beaker with 20 ml.s. Now, pour your thoroughly crushed up pills, now powder, into the beaker with the acetone. Stir thoroughly for about 5 minutes. Carefully pour the contents into a filter paper placed inside of a funnel for support. If some sticks to the side of the beaker, simply squirt a little fresh acetone into the beaker to collect anything left behind. Pour everything into the filter paper. Let drain completely.

Once drained, carefully remove the filter paper now containing your nearly pure MDMA powder and place the filter paper between a couple of paper towels. Press firmly on the clump thru the paper towels to absorb any additional acetone. While still inside of the filter paper, hold the paper in front of a blow dryer and let the heat go thru the filter paper. This will speed the evaporation time significantly.

Now, carefully open the filter paper over a ceramic plate and let the crystals fall out. Rub the paper back and forth over the plate to get any remaining crystals stuck to the paper.

Chop into a fine powder. Either cap them up, pour a hit into a drink, or parachute it. The finished product is unbelievable! Ever wanted to try molly, but never had a connect? Now your the connect! Enjoy this extremely smooth, clean and extreme rolling face ecstasy........courtesy of Le Junk!

Le Junk...........at your service!

[Synchronium]

Ok, funny E-related story.

We all went out to a rave, which happens almost weekly, and this time we get some pills with little star of davids on 'em. Everyone's fine apart from this one guy who gets stomache ache a bit. Difference between him ad us: he's catholic.

Moral of the story? Don't piss god off.

[candy_man]

Price around here in Canada is: $10 to $1.50 each. depends on how many you buy.