*General Homegrown Discussion*

[-inefficiency-]

Originally Posted by Genem

Do you know what strain your plant is or was it bag seed, because when it starts to flower, smell could become a problem. Also is you shed in view from anyone elses property.
The best lights for a small grow is 20W (highest i've seen in shops) compact flourescents, because they're cheap, readily avalible and have the right light spectrum. Use cool white for veg and warm white for flowering. Or if you're willing to put a little money into your grow you could try the 125W compact flourescents from www.potseeds.co.uk/growing/index.htm
They work just like regular bulbs, so no messing with ballasts or anything else.
During veg you can't really have to much light time wise. I've had light on 24/7 during veg with no problems. It's during flowering that light must be controlled, 12/12 with no light leaks during the dark cycle.

If I SWIM was to purchase some of those bulbs and a reflector, what else would be needed to set it up. Would that setup just plug into the mains, or would I need to visit an electrical store first?

[Kaos-theory]

lights refelector soil. timer relays so yeh growkind.com IIRC is the site i would use i get there catalouges normaly cuz of the chemicals in them.

[-inefficiency-]

Yeah, but do I just plug the bulbs into the reflector and then plug the reflector into the mains? Or do I need to do anything wiring-based?

[Genem]

Well it makes no mention if it comes already fitted with a cable and plug. Swim has not used this product only regular compact flourescents, but would expect that a cable of required length and of sutible rating along with a plug and fuse of appropriate rating for the power that is being used may be an additional cost for the reflector. Wiring will be simple and it should be clearly marked which wires go where so swim wouldn't expect any major problems there.
Eventhough flourescents are much cooler than other types of grow lights they do get hot, not enough to burn on momentery contact but if a plant grew into it , it would cause damage. The can also raise the air temparatue quite a bit so good ventilation is a must.

An alternative site which is a little better for prices is:
http://www.growell.co.uk/p/1587/Envi...row_Lamps.html

[-inefficiency-]

Ah, awesome. I'll be growing in no-time.

*EDIT*

I'm assuming it makes no difference whether I get blue or red lights ?

[Kaos-theory]

wtf... blue or reds you want standard grow lights come in the sort of yellow colour lieka normal house hold bulb..

growell. is the site i meant i didnt have the name to hnad doh.. it is good. just grow them in your window or under the sun.

[-inefficiency-]

well, on that link, the lights are called "flourescent growing lights" and come in blue or red. So does it matter?

[Kaos-theory]

gah right IIRC red is for vegatating, and blue for flowering.

so get a red and a blue.
and grow under the red untill they start to flower then swap to blue for a week/2 check there sex, then if you want change back to red after removing all the males and veg them some more so theyre big mother fuckers then when theyre nice and big and you still have plety of room go back to blue and start flowering them as they'll spurt in flowering.

that reminds me must go checkthe woods sometime this weeknd theyve been out there for 2 week snow. it was still gorwing the other day but badly damaged

[-inefficiency-]

Ugh... I have to buy both kinds? jeez...

Oh well, at least I'll have more control over how my plants turn out.

[Genem]

The red ones are used for flowering and the blue is used for veg. The bulbs aren't going to give light like you would see on red bulb in a dark room.
With regular CFL's, warm white bulbs (which have more of the red spectrum)would give a more yellowy sunny kind of light. Where as cool white(more of the blue spectrum) whould give a much more bright white kind of light.
I wish Overgrow was still around they had a load of info on using different kinds of light, and how much of what light the bulbs gave out.

Aha, this site has managed to save the grow FAQ from Overgrow lots of good info.
http://growfaq.marijuana.com/growfaq/

I'll stick this link in the links section as well.

[-inefficiency-]

nice one mate. I'll give it a read.

[S7@1T3D]

hey guys SWIM got a few seeds in there bag an SWIM was wondering if it matters what season if there to be grown inside? what will SWIM need just for a potplant setup?

[Kaos-theory]

pot plant, soil big and small pots to move the plant up in as the plant grows.

season should really have started a month ago maximum, and you'll be running right through to december if you start now.

[Syrus]

Right i need some help/advise, later today im getting 10 white rhino seeds off a mate of mine (he never got roudn to using them), im no hwere near ready or planed to grow anything yet i just wanted the seeds asap, so i know i have them. The problem is i cant grow outside because (apart from it being a bit to late to start growing and getting a decent yield) the insects roudn here are notorious for eating weed plants. I also cant grow inside due to the fact that atm im living with my parents and i dotn haev any equipment yet (growlights, etc).

What im basically asking is, what should i do to get into a position so i can grow them?

[S7@1T3D]

hey kaos is that bad going into december rembering that im australia so december will be summer not winter. also plant willl be kept indoors all time with sufficent natural sunlight with perhaps bulbs at some points just to boost it on cloudy/rainy days.

[Kaos-theory]

ah, it'll be fine then if it summer. dont bother with bulbs, put it in your window sill, and just leave nature to it.

mr inefficieny, can you remember webcam there other night? if so tell the gentleman, how my plants were. thank you

if you leave it natural and it clouds and you start whipping bulbs out, you'll either distress it and kil it or fuck up the whole cycle.


cheers then

[S7@1T3D]

ok thanks dude will keep ya posted on progress

[-inefficiency-]

Last time I saw the little lady, she was growing strong kaos. Hows she doing now mate?

[Kaos-theory]

dont know, she went up thw woods on a sunday the other day. we checked her on the wendes day, the break in here stem was black, but she had grown for the sun, so weve pretty much left them, i might wonder up during next week see how they are.

[joebhoy]

Kweeketel 224 plant Loft Fitting Fast Grower


http://www.thehydroponicsfactory.co....l?currency=EUR

Has anyone here every used one these or do ye know anyone that has one. I know your going to say its cheaper to build a grow room but I just think this is class. It says you can grow 224 plants in it how much could you expect to get of that?

[Kaos-theory]

it looks good, but i doubt 224 plants to be honest a good plant can grow metres wide in correct condictions. youd get away with 20, giving them optimal conditions, i think. still. it does look cool your right, and the idea is perfect. but i dont trust some of the information

[Genem]

I think the 224 plants is using the "sea of green" tek. If i remember right (don't quote me on this) you take clones from a mother plant making sure they are all about the same size. Then you keep them on a veg light cycle until they have grown roots before switching to 12/12. I think the idea was to have a number of clones (a sea) that would each grow a coala (the main bud on the top of the plant) rather than have one plant with one coala and loads of normal buds. Still 224 does seem like a lot.
It's not something i would recommend unless you've grown before, as you would need a few mothers and if one of them turned out to be a father the whole grow would be fucked in more ways than one.
I've never done a SOG grow so i may be wrong on this.

[joebhoy]

Wel I dont believe I could fit 224 in it but sure if I got say at least a bar off one grow that would be my money back!

Why would you not suggest this if didnt grow before seems very easy to keep and to work?

If ya say had between 2,000 - 2,500 Euro what kinda system would ye get?

The reason I brought this chamber thing up is because the lack of space in my two bedroom house with me and my Ma though she wouldn't mind me growing?

So what would ye suggest?

[Kaos-theory]

genem.. sea of greenis correct you dont have to use clones, basicaly you trsain them to the height you can allow and let them spredad sideway instead of upwards. and the buds grow like normal..

[Genem]

Originally Posted by joebhoy

Why would you not suggest this if didnt grow before seems very easy to keep and to work?

So what would ye suggest?

I wouldn't suggest this for a first time grower because of the potential for small problems to become big problems fast. One example is if one of the plants was male and you didn't catch it and remove it before it released its pollen. In such a small space the likelihood for most of the females to become pollinated is increased.

Actually i take back what i said. I was getting hung up on the large amount of plants in a small space for a new grower rather than looking at the device itself. If you have the money it would be good. I would recommend now that you start with a small number of plants to get abit of experience growing.

And for 2000 - 2500Euro (£1384-£1730) i would build my own system.

[joebhoy]

But if I got a few female plants growing and then took cuttings off them!

I live in a two bedroom house with my Ma so I think it would be kinda hard to put in a system + build one I know everyone says you can find everything on the net big difference from lookingat what to do and doing it.

I know its expensive buy if I could grow good weed I could earn that money back in a Bar alone.

I know I wouldnt fit 224 plants in it but Im sure I could get a good lot out of it!

[Kaos-theory]

you probably good, but it'd be hard.

anyway as of this years growing went up the woods sunday and the plants have been eaten. haha...

the leavers have gone the tops are dead. still the stem was green so it may grow back.. dont knwobut im not sure if i can be bothered to start another grow.

i need a clear mind.

[S7@1T3D]

the seeds SWIM had didnt sprout. He found another 2 seeds an planted them in two glasses with a makeshift green house put it out side for about 5-6 hours in sun than bring inside into his room an put ubder SWIMs light for another 2 hours would this be sufficent to sprout?

[Kaos-theory]

not really. because you need water, and darkness.

get some tissue soak the tissue, and put the seeds on it. then hide that somewhere dark check it before you go to bed and when you wake up. but i doubt those seeds are viable now, as you've had them in the sun, so its preobably baked the heck out of them.

[e.ternalyLoathed]

I'm very tired right now, so I'm not sure if this has already been posted in the growing thread, becuase I haven't had the chance to read through all the posts, but there is a useful index site with grow movies and other informational media for growing. The site is found at http://mm.hyperreal.info/