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Sounds great, please do!
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Originally Posted by Hetfield  Sounds great, please do! | Hello Hetfield.
I got the items today,they are great.
I'm starting with the small bag of red powder.
I diped a match into the powder add added it to water,it instantly turned into a light green/yellow colour and glowed,this stuff does not look safe.
I'll have to see what chemicals glow when added to water before i carry on.Cheers John. |
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Im just quickly going to say something.
FIRST. Honestly, you should not be buying anything but lab chemicals from designated companies. This goes for shit like ammonium chloride, barium nitrate, all that.
Potassium nitrate. If you buy this off the net you are a complete egg. Phone up your agriculture shops/hydrophonics shops. LOOK. Same with H202, Nitric acid and AN.
Aluminium powder. THis one is big shit. Dont f*cking give up. Its around. Phone paint manufacturers, powder coating companies, and sheetmetal makers. If they dont sell it PICK THEIR BRAINS. Ask if they know anyone who would. When looking for a chemical, wiki it, find out other uses, get your phone book and phone around. And make a ball mill if you're serious about this. Pyro supplies are being slowly killed so get your stuff from people who cant have it banned. Its also about 3 times cheaper.
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I've heard you speak out nonsense a couple of times but this is actually surprisingle well formulated correct. Nice.. Thats exactly how you should investigate every chemical you're looking for. After some years of doing that you WILL become a complete freak though.. I walk into shops that sell complete crap (reform and hobby shops) and go look for sugars, salts and suspicious glues n stuff.. pretty creapy..
Agricultural stores (not a shop to buy flowers or garden equipment n shit, but the place where real farmers buy there stuff) tend to sell nitric acid, formaldehyde solution (formaline), high concentrated sulfuric acid drain cleaner and calcium carbidium.
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Originally Posted by uchiacon Im just quickly going to say something.
FIRST. Honestly, you should not be buying anything but lab chemicals from designated companies. This goes for shit like ammonium chloride, barium nitrate, all that.
Potassium nitrate. If you buy this off the net you are a complete egg. Phone up your agriculture shops/hydrophonics shops. LOOK. Same with H202, Nitric acid and AN.
Aluminium powder. THis one is big shit. Dont f*cking give up. Its around. Phone paint manufacturers, powder coating companies, and sheetmetal makers. If they dont sell it PICK THEIR BRAINS. Ask if they know anyone who would. When looking for a chemical, wiki it, find out other uses, get your phone book and phone around. And make a ball mill if you're serious about this. Pyro supplies are being slowly killed so get your stuff from people who cant have it banned. Its also about 3 times cheaper.
Uchi | The items were bought for the bottles and NOT what was inside them,i've no problems getting chemals i need,i'm registered with people that supply chemicals to the trade.
I just thought it would be nice to know what the chemicals are/were,i've updated what the red powder was.The only chemicals kept were the potassium permanganate and copper sulphate,they are the best crystals i've seen,very large and not the powdered crap you get from the net.
The vintage bottles were worth more to me than the chemicals inside them.
BTW. See if you can get Ammonium perchlorate posted to you!
John.
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12-29-2008, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by pyromainiac420 so were other than a fertallizer shop can i get potassium nitrate? | walgreens.
Sensodyne ProNamel Toothpaste contains 5% potassium nitrate. how you would extract it i dont know. and the toothpaste isnt cheap. | | Aluminium | |
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Ok, contrary to public belief aluminium powder is NOT toxic when rubbed on the skin. Lung irritation can occur from inhalation of fine powder, and if you inhale it on a regular basis pulmonary fibrosis can occur, which has a high fatality rate. Al is treated as a foreign body if it gets into your eye.
For more info on this -> OSH Answers: 2-Health Effects of Aluminum Powder
and the pdf on manufacturing flake Aluminium powder -> http://www.pyrobin.com/files/manufac...m%20powder.pdf
I will be posting this on any other aluminium related threads to bust any crap on aluminum toxicity; the link of the flake pdf
is on roguesci, but only long term members can access it(I think, because you can't if you're a junior member.)
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Does anybody know how to make or get hold of nitromethane?
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02-24-2009, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ArsenalFC Does anybody know how to make or get hold of nitromethane? | I have no idea where to get it, but it seems like you might be able to make it with sulfuric acid, sodium nitrite, and methyl alcohol. |
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Originally Posted by that guy I have no idea where to get it, but it seems like you might be able to make it with sulfuric acid, sodium nitrite, and methyl alcohol. | Ok, I've done a whole bunch of searching - so for those of you who don't know where to get it, read on.
Nitromethane is a racing fuel can be bought from shops that cater for that scene. It can also be found at R/C or Hobby shops as it is used in r/c cars and planes.
It's apparently quiet expensive though (around $60/gallon).
If your wondering why I want it (noobs) nitromethane is the NM in ANNM (a high explosive).
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Originally Posted by ArsenalFC It can also be found at R/C or Hobby shops as it is used in r/c cars and planes. | I think those fuels for r/c cars are only 20%/30% nitromethane. Most of the rest of it is methyl alcohol. |
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On the subject of aluminium powder, I've found two sources, one an epoxy mold making company, and an Australian metal powder company. Sadly it's going to cost about $50NZD for both for a kilo(inc freight+GST), and I'm guessing thats going to be about the going. Long story short, if you want flake aluminium powder, make a ball mill, get 50-100 unground carbon steel ball bearings with about a 1/2" diameter and do it with foil. Heck, even marbles will work, albeit slower.
Don't bother, make it yourself, its a couple of dollars for 70-100g of it. And I'm still unclear on whether it is possible to turn atomized aluminium into flake using steel bearings. Any ideas?
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Since this question is still unanswered :
I've been trying to find a source of stearic acid to coat aluminium powder during the ball milling process, but I've had very little luck finding any.
It all appears to be sold on the internet, and after phoning around returned no results, I was wondering if anyone had purchased some in maybe a supermarket or other source used for candles etc? Could you use any hard waxy substance? I.e. wax, beeswax?
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Originally Posted by ArsenalFC Nitromethane is a racing fuel can be bought from shops that cater for that scene. It can also be found at R/C or Hobby shops as it is used in r/c cars and planes.
It's apparently quiet expensive though (around $60/gallon). | As 'that guy' said, R/C Nitro fuel is not pure Nitromethane. The highest concentration you are going to find is 65%, with the remainder of the composition being methyl alcohol and a blend of castor and synthetic oils. The most common blends are 20% and 30% Nitromethane, and it IS damn expensive. I own Nitro R/C cars, and I buy my 30% fuel for $41CAD/gallon.
Extracting the Nitromethane could be done through distillation, as the boiling points of the ingredients are far enough apart. Quote:
On the subject of aluminium powder, I've found two sources, one an epoxy mold making company, and an Australian metal powder company. Sadly it's going to cost about $50NZD for both for a kilo(inc freight+GST), and I'm guessing thats going to be about the going. Long story short, if you want flake aluminium powder, make a ball mill, get 50-100 unground carbon steel ball bearings with about a 1/2" diameter and do it with foil. Heck, even marbles will work, albeit slower.
Don't bother, make it yourself, its a couple of dollars for 70-100g of it. And I'm still unclear on whether it is possible to turn atomized aluminium into flake using steel bearings. Any ideas?
| Making flash grade aluminum with a ball mill is unnecessary. I did it for a while, but then I realized that there are places out there who will ship Indian/German dark flash grade flake aluminum anywhere in the world. Some places are very inexpensive, some fairly cheap. You just have to look around. I buy my Indian dark flake for $19/lb + $10 shipping for up to 4 pounds, and it beats everything I was able to make with a ball mill and coarse aluminum powder. When mixed with ball milled perchlorate, 1 gram needs only a few wraps of thin toilet paper to make a bang. Only my homemade magnesium could compete with that. Everyone in Canada complains about being unable to get KClO4 here too. I tell them to keep searching, it is out there, probably right in front of their eyes.  | |
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Yes, but its not the point of saving money or having a better quality product, no. Its about making something yourself(something I like doing) AND its about getting aluminium powder in a way that cant be banned, or restricted by whatever government for whatever pitiful excuse. Its happened to skylighter, its happening to ebay and it could come to a store near you soon, so be prepared for the worst.
Being in year 10 I can't get a credit card or make a paypal account(on a regular basis), so purchasing items like that would be impractical. I also dislike having to phone and ask my dad to borrow his credit card, so I try to cut it to minimum, i.e. ball mill media which is always expensive.
Oh, and pyro, have you considered making your own chlorate/perchlorate cell?
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I buy my KClO4 cheaply enough and go through it slowly enough that an electrolytic cell setup to produce it is unnecessary for me.
You don't need a credit card to purchase online. Just a PayPal account and a bank account. I'm 17, and I do not have a credit card, and although I live in a country where chemicals are considered almost impossible to find, I still manage to buy everything I need. KClO4, KNO3, Dark Al powder, milling media, sulfur, scrap balsa wood for charcoal, etc.
Making aluminum powder is fun, and I don't blame you for wanting to do it. I spent months designing and executing different production methods, and in the end I was very impressed with what I could make with a block of aluminum, a belt sander, and a ball mill. Still, my flash was always a little bit slower than what I had expected. That's when I turned to magnesium. Similar process, and the fine gray powder that came out of my mill would burn as fast as good black powder - sitting in a pile with only atmospheric air to react with. HOWEVER, if you do not have experience with milling less reactive metals, I do NOT recommend trying to mill magnesium. It is much more dangerous to work with.
You're definitely correct about the demise of pyro suppliers. Slowly they are constricted by the CPSC, until they are forced to limit their chemical sales, or shut down altogether. Case in point - Pyroaluminum.com supplied some of the best flash aluminum around, and unlike other suppliers, they did not have a 2lbs/year limit on sales (2lbs/24hrs was their limit). Now they are gone. Forced to shut down by the CPSC cocksuckers. Most other suppliers have been attacked by the CPSC and now have severe limits on most chemicals. It sickens me.
I know of a place that will ship a fucking 100lb drum of dark aluminum anywhere in the world with no questions asked. The CPSC has not yet caught on, but it is only a matter of time. | |
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pure aluminum powder is the stuff inside etch a sketches. |
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ok this sounds stupid but does anyone know why potassium nitrate would be sold 100% pure in the spices section ?
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Magnalium powder is win guys, don't even bother with making/buying pyro Al.
Like the power in this stuff is amazing. Its really brittle and will ball mill from small fragments to fine powder in mere hours.
I reccommend it to anyone, and you don't even need a furnace to make it, a charcoal chimney works well. Plus, once you find your source of high purity Mg you can make Mg powder(but thats kinda pointless because MgAl is only slightly less powerful and much easier to make)
Although I must point out that for some reason, it doesn't appear to make as much molten iron as Al in thermite does. I couldn't find any once I let off 160g of thermite...
And just for high purity Mg(took me a while to find it) try corrosion control companies(sacrificial Mg anodes) large boating supplier companies(anodes) and plumbing suppliers(anodes). Don't bother with MgAl alloys(VW parts, tyre rims), good luck separating the Mg or finding out the constituents of the alloy...
Yeah and here in NZ you need to make all your own stuff. You either find it as a common chemical in industry or you make it yourself. I'm just trying to order some Pt plated niobium mesh for chlorate/perchlorate synthesis.
Coz once you have that MgAl real fine from the ball mill and an unlimited supply of oxidizer I think you're quite set... and ammonium/barium compounds can allow barium chlorate(for green) and ammonium perch for god knows what...if you can find the other compounds(barium chloride, sulfate) you can use metathesis reactions to get a lot of shit.
Take potassium dichromate, probably a more lab grade material, can be made with chromates(from pottery stores) NaOH,KCl,KClO3 and some other shit I've forgotten. Melt them together, mix it, cool it and powder it. Won't be 100% pure but good enough if you need it in your chlorate cell or as a pyrotechnic chem. And its restricted in America on ebay(so the cheap stuff, like $12USD per 450g) is only shippable in america and $20USD for 100g is stupid from chemical suppliers lol. Those bastards are going to be getting as little of MY money as possible.
(btw, potassium/sodium nitrate used to be a preserver. carcinogen though, so don't try and use it for that...no idea why a supermarket would sell it unless for stump rotting)
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Thanks uchiacon,and no it wasn't being sold in the lawn care.
It was directly next to the sugar, and on top of the salt.
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Originally Posted by uchiacon Magnalium powder is win guys, don't even bother with making/buying pyro Al. | Magnalium is good stuff, but homemade stuff isn't substantially better than good 2 - 5 micron dark flake aluminum, and it does make compositions more sensitive. I used to make MgAl for my flash, but nowadays I find it substantially easier and cheaper to buy dark flake Al for $19/lb. |
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You are paying way too much money for your AL. I buy mine a bit by bulk and only pay 14 dollars a lb for india dark. As for my KCLO4 I also buy in bulk and pay only 5 dollars a Lb. |
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Keep in mind that I am in Canada, and pyro chemicals are not readily available from numerous sources as they are in the USA. I have only 3 sources of dark pyro aluminum, and only 2 sources of KClO4. These suppliers are taking a risk by shipping to Canada in the first place, so the slightly higher price doesn't bother me. |
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You know what annoys me about pyrotechnics? These obscure chemicals that have to be shipped to you from like America or some shit.. and taking weeks to arrive...
If something's worth doing, its worth overdoing, which is why I make explosives. 
Anyway, personal preference there, but where might one obtain phenol aside from rip off lab suppliers? Any hobby uses, i.e. electroplating or other? Its like this you see, I'm planning on killing a few Jews and...
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Phenol (carbolic acid) is pretty restricted--if you're making Picric Acid, try using Aspirin.
Atomized Al flake is made in India with Al powder, stearin, and castor oil, lots of balls, and lots of time; I think. See the post about it on "meshStrainers" for the particulars (I didn't post it.)
EDIT: You may be able to "open doors if you can convince suppliers you need it because you do pyro for a rock band....
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Originally Posted by uchiacon You know what annoys me about pyrotechnics? These obscure chemicals that have to be shipped to you from like America or some shit.. and taking weeks to arrive...
If something's worth doing, its worth overdoing, which is why I make explosives. | Two completely different beasts. Making explosives isn't 'overdoing' pyrotechnics, it is a whole different avenue. Personally, I enjoy both. |
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Debatable subject Canadian..
I really don't want to have to spend $100's on aspirin tablets and then deal with the shittiness of grinding them down and processing them. Not only that, but I will get a few "wtf's he gonna do wit that" or might be downright refused if I try to buy more than like two packets. As a young person, I can't use an excuse of heart problems.
Unless they come in packets of like 40-50 and aren't too expensive and the yields are ok. How much acid might you get for 200 tablets of maybe 500mg?
Phenol would still be the better alternative imo.
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Dude if you really need dichromate i'll splash you some, fuck it i'll share..  ..Hell i'll put it in orange kool-aid pouches, only have 4 ounces (~112 g?) i think but i barely ever use it, and you probably don't need much. Gratis too! Worth an international high-five to this guy. Hope its not too exorbitant to ship something strait down and to the right in the other hemisphere.. Quote:
Take potassium dichromate, probably a more lab grade material, can be made with chromates(from pottery stores) NaOH,KCl,KClO3 and some other shit I've forgotten. Melt them together, mix it, cool it and powder it. Won't be 100% pure but good enough if you need it in your chlorate cell or as a pyrotechnic chem. And its restricted in America on ebay(so the cheap stuff, like $12USD per 450g) is only shippable in america and $20USD for 100g is stupid from chemical suppliers lol. Those bastards are going to be getting as little of MY money as possible.
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Originally Posted by uchiacon Debatable subject Canadian..
I really don't want to have to spend $100's on aspirin tablets and then deal with the shittiness of grinding them down and processing them. Not only that, but I will get a few "wtf's he gonna do wit that" or might be downright refused if I try to buy more than like two packets. As a young person, I can't use an excuse of heart problems.
Unless they come in packets of like 40-50 and aren't too expensive and the yields are ok. How much acid might you get for 200 tablets of maybe 500mg?
Phenol would still be the better alternative imo. | It's only $1USD for about 176 325 mg tablets. Buy one bottle from each store. Grinding them is easy--use a coffee grinder, they are soft. Or sack 'em and sock 'em. My IMH uses about 20 5 grain tablets (325mg)that probably yields almost 6.5 grams P/A--so, 200 x 500 mg would be almost 100 grams. You don't plan to make several pounds of this stuff, anyway. | | |
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