Precursors/Chemicals

[nzmilitia]

i am writing this post as there is no posts about this.
here is a list of chemicals and there uses



ammonium nitrate: can be brought from supermarket in instant ice packs
and also brought from farming stores as a fertiliser which is used to grow advocados.

potassium nitrate: can be brought as stump rotter or from fertilizer shop

Potassium chlorate: can be brought from pet stores in a tablet form used to oxidise the water in fish tanks

75% nitric acid: the only place where i can buy this over counter is from good hydroponics shops,its used to increase nitrogen in plants

potassium permanganate: this can be brought from most garden shops used to treat water for alge

6% hydrogen peroxide: can be brought from chemist to treat wounds n shit

30% hydrogen peroxide: can be brought from hydroponics stores to treat water

this should help to get you started with explosives
if you have any more please add to this post

[alchemist]

thanks, that helped, will have a look for ammonium nitrate at the supermarket
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Potassium Permanganate: Sometimes used as a wart removal substance. Try having a look in a chemist.

[Jago]

sulfuric acid: automotive suppliers, used as battery acid (no brainer there)

Hydrochloric acid: hardware stores, also known as muriatic acid etc

Acetone: Hardware stores, paint shops. Used as a thinner.

Hydrogen peroxide can also be bought from hairdressing suppliers, used as hair bleach (be careful as you can get cream peroxide too, you don't want that).

Toluene (sp?): hardware stores (you seriously don't need to give them a reason for buying stuff if it's at a hardware store etc)

Glycerine: Supermarkets (i think, i've seen it there before, in the ugh, medical bit, with the bandages etc).

Methyl Ethyl Ketone (used to make MEKP/Methyl Ethyl Ketone Peroxide, liquid peroxide explosive): Plumbing suppliers, used as a pipe sealant/joiner. Also hardware stores.

Nitromethane: Hobby shops (so i've heard), use as RC car fuel (so i've heard).

Fuel Oil for ANFO: (no brainer here) Go to your petrol station, and get some diesel. That's Fuel Oil


Note with ammonium nitrate. Not all instant cold packs use AN, read the lable.

If i think of more i will add them.

[Shalshaska]

Common brand names for 93% sulfuric acid are Root-O and Clobber. They are both used as heavy duty drain openers. In the U.S. at least.

[pyromainiac420]

so were other than a fertallizer shop can i get potassium nitrate?

[Shalshaska]

Wal-Mart has (allegedly) 100% KNO3 in Spectracide brand stump killer. Or my Wal-Mart does at least. I looked the MSDS up before I bought some, and it says 100%, which doesn't have me as excited as if it would have said 98%, since even KNO3 purchased to actually BE KNO3 isn't 100%.

[Shalshaska]

Coincidentally, United Nuclear recently added 35% Hydrogen Peroxide to the Chemicals and Metals listing. 10$ for 16 oz... not the best price, but not the worst either. They also added Ethyl Alcohol, but I should point out that it is actually Denatured Alcohol, as it contains some methanol.

[mastermagician]

So, I don't know of any hydroponics stores in the area. I'm having trouble finding 30% H202. Should I be worried about ordering through the mail?

Edit:

Just remembered that Sulfur can be found in "farmer" stores as some sort of bug killer or something. I think it's normally about 95% purity and relatively cheap as well.

[Shalshaska]

If you order H2O2 online, and anyone asks you anything, just say you're doing a science experiment with hydrogen peroxide and potatoes, illustrating the reaction between the enzyme, peroxidase, and hydrogen peroxide, which goes like this...

H2O2=>H2O+O

[Jago]

Originally Posted by mastermagician

So, I don't know of any hydroponics stores in the area. I'm having trouble finding 30% H202. Should I be worried about ordering through the mail?

Edit:

Just remembered that Sulfur can be found in "farmer" stores as some sort of bug killer or something. I think it's normally about 95% purity and relatively cheap as well.

Look up your local business directory, make a few phonecalls to some florists etc

[mastermagician]

Oh man, I was confused as to what a hydroponics store really was exactly. I was checking pool stores for stuff. Alright, I know what a florist is. Thanks. Oh, and Muriatic Acid, is that used in stone cleaning or something, cause I'm a bit awry about buying things like this in stores, especially from the same stores, cause I'm not easily forgotten since I have blue hair, and I'm a teenager, so I stick out as a regular "hooligan".

[Jago]

it's not controlled, they won't ask you questions. Say you are a builder or some shit. If the clerk gives you shit, ask to speak to the manager, if not, tell the manager you are taking your business elsewhere due to harrassment/discrimination.
Seriously, years ago when i first went to pick some up, i was dressed in loose jeans, a black hoody and a black cap, picked up a 5L bottle off the shelf, paid for it and just waltzed out, no questions asked.

[Widigo]

I want to make sure before I waist my time and money.

http://www.spectracide.com/

This is KNO3 known as potassium nitrate.

Will this work for recipes that call for KNO3?

Will something need to be done to this before it can be used as KNO3

(Don't kill me Shalshaska I'm just making sure.)

[Shalshaska]

Depends on usage. What do you need it for? For some things it needs to be milled down, other things it is fine as-is, and for smoke comps, you should just melt it down with sugar, which burns faster with more smoke.

[Widigo]

I'll keep track of that on a recipe to recipe bases. Thanks for your help.

[mastermagician]

KCL is in some water softeners.

Quite pure as well. I found a few tablets on the ground and picked them up...What can I use these tablets to make? I'm sure I've seen it in a few recipies.

[Shalshaska]

You probably saw it in the method of manufacturing KClO3/4 from bleach. Bleach-->NaClO-->NaClO3+KCl-->KClO3

Something like that.

[mastermagician]

Ah, well that's not as fun as I thought...

[Shalshaska]

Indeed. Certainly not my preferred method of procuring KClO3. I plan to order some SupaFish tablets off eBay.

[ilovetoblowthingsup]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_chemistry

[Corporal Punishment]

LOTS OF SOURCES!

only a quarter of my list

ACE Enterprises
13001 E. Austin Rd
Manchester, Michigan 48158
USA

Welcome to the new ACE Pyro web site! We offer a variety of products and services to pyrotechnicians and fans of fireworks. Featuring: Acculab balances, pyrotechnic chemicals, and display fireworks choreography & show design.


Website: http://www.acepyro.com/index.html
Email: aaron@ace-e.com



ACME Spirally Wound Paper Products, Inc.
4810 West 139th Street
P.O. Box 35320
Cleveland, OH 44135
USA

Acme Spiral manufactures paper tubes & cores in a variety of sizes and wall thicknesses. Marketed for use as mailing tubes, but other uses come to mind.


Phone: (800) 274-2797
Fax: (216) 267-0239
Website: Welcome to Acme Spirally Wound Paper Products, Inc. manufacturer of Paper Tubes & Cores for Packaging, Mailing, Shipping, Rewind, Displays, Containers, Spools, Reels, and Shipping Supplies.
Email: info@acmespiral.com



Advanced Technique Fireworks, Inc.
11019 Buckeye Trace
Goshen, KY 40026
USA

Display Fireworks Equipment Manufacturers & Distributor BATF Licensing: Manufacturer Display Fireworks Importer Display Fireworks No sales of 1.3g without BATF License


Phone: 5022286334
Fax: 5022284602
Website: Welcome to Advanced Technique Fireworks Home on the Web
Email: Fireworker@aol.com



American Fireworks News
HC67 - Box 30
Dingmans Ferry, PA 18328-9506
USA

Supplier of fireworks literature including books, how-to manuals, videos, newsletters and trade directories.


Phone: (570) 828-8417
Fax: (570) 828-8695
Website: American Fireworks News
Email: afn@fireworksnews.com

Atlas Pyrovision Productions

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We are Atlas PyroVision Productions, a leader in pyrotechnic displays and display design. We ensure that every one of our 700 yearly performances is an innovative blend of science and delight!


Website: Atlas PyroVision Productions - Atlas Fireworks, firework shows for weddings and fireworks for sale in MA, NH
Email: steve@atlaspyro.com



Axner Company
490 Kane Ct.
P.O. Box 621484
Oviedo, FL 32765
USA

This is actually a pottery supply company, but they have a number of chemicals and some clays that pyros can utilize.


Phone: (800) 843-7057
Website: Axner Pottery and Ceramic Supplies

Bell's Fireworks Co.
7901 N. Armenia Avenue
Tampa, FL 33604
USA

Full selection of consumer fireworks as well as display fireworks and materials.


Phone: 813-935-8810
Fax: 813-933-8536
Website: Welcome to Bell's Fireworks
Email: bells@atlantic.net

Colonial Gun Works and Supplies
P.O. Box 1701
Monroe, MI 48162
USA

Cheap lead milling media


Phone: (734) 243-6009
Website: Lead Balls & Moulds
Email: main@colonialgunworks.com



Coonie's Black Powder
P.O. Box 2062
Hobbs, NM 88240
USA

Supplier of Goex black powder, thermalite, sticky match, DaveyFire igniters, visco etc..


Phone: (800) 713-6321
Fax: (505/0 393-6060



CoorsTek
600 Ninth Street
Golden, CO 80401
USA

Makers of ceramic milling media, among other things.


Phone: (303) 278-4000
Fax: (303) 277-4901
Website: Advanced Technical Ceramics | CoorsTek



Custom Pyrotechnics
1526-C O'Dell Ave
Charleston, WV 25302
USA

Chemicals and supplies.


Phone: (304) 344-5592
Website: custompyro.com

Dawntreader Pyrotechnic Specialites
3074 Earnett St
Memphis, TN 38128-4913
USA

Cark's Giant Fountain tooling, rocket tooling (Wolter-made), specialty chemicals.


Phone: 901-377-4973
Fax: 901-380-4719
Website: Dawntreader Pyrotechnic - website for fireworks enthusiasts, professionals - pyrotechnic chemicals, formula, and supplies
Email: sales@dawntreader.net



Delcor Industries Inc.
19 Standish Avenue
Yonkers, NY 10710
USA

Manufacturer of firing panels for all types of displays.


Phone: 914-779-6425
Fax: 914-779-6463



Discount Pyro
P.O. Box 20355
Charleston, WV 25302
USA

Very cheap supplier of chemicals, plastic shell and salute parts, paper parts, etc...


Website: Discount Pyro
Email: sales@discountpyro.com

Edmund Scientific
60 Pearce Ave
Tonawanda, NY 14150-6711
USA

Supplier of educational sciene related projects, lab supplies, telescopes etc. Can order from online store link below.


Phone: (800) 728-6999
Fax: (800) 828-3299
Website: Edmund Scientific: educational toys, gifts, hobby supplies & science equipment
Email: scientifics@edsci.com

F.P. Engbert Discount Guns
102b Adams Circle
Indiana, PA 15701
USA

Supplier of mortar tubes and racks


Phone: (724) 465-9756
Fax: (724) 465-5736
Website: http://www.MortarsRUS.com
Email: frank@mortarsrus.com



Firefox Enterprises Inc.
P.O. Box 5366
Pocatello, Idaho 83202
USA

Chemicals and pyrotechnic supplies for the hobbiest.


Phone: (208) 237-1976
Website: Firefox Enterprises' Home page
Email: custserv@firefox-fx.com



Firework Events
5 Hanover Road
Scarborough North Yorkshire
Scarborough, UK YO11 1LS
UK

Firework displays and sales......


Phone: 01723 507357
Fax: 01723 507357
Website: FIREWORK EVENTS
Email: Jmevents4@aol.com



Firework Professionals Ltd
Box 19 912
Woolston
Christchurch, Canterbury 8030
New Zealand

Firework Show Performers, Fireworks Suppliers. Firework Manufactures. Special Effects, Proximate Pyro and Industrial Pyro.


Phone: 64-03-982-3473
Fax: 64-03-982-3474
Website: Fireworks Professionals Ltd providing firework displays, pyrotechnic training, special effects, searchlights, lasers, and air effects.
Email: firework@firework.co.nz

Fireworks International
Home Farm
Foremark
Nr. Milton, Derby DE65 6EJ
UK

Fireworks International offers a large range of DIY Fireworks Packs and Single Ignitions to Buy Online. And our Display Team also provides spectacular Operator Fired Firework Displays.


Phone: 01283 704849
Website: Fireworks: Firework Displays, Retail Fireworks, UK Fireworks, Wedding Fireworks, Buy fireworks online from Fireworks International
Email: info@fireworksinternational.co.uk



FireworksExpress.com
7709 S. Joplin
Tulsa, OK 74136
USA

Shop at anyone of our nationwide retail outlets, all offering special savings to online shoppers. Fireworks for personal use or for business needs. Individuals, Retailers, Wholesalers, and Parties interested in Consumer Fireworks and/or Professional Displays can be served on our website.


Phone: 918-491-6262
Fax: 918-493-6282
Website: Fireworks Express: Celebrate with Fireworks!
Email: info@fireworksexpress.com



foodservicedirect.com

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Supplier of coffee filter paper that may be used for applications that require gampi tissue. Search on "coffee filter" from the home page.


Website: Foodservicedirect.com Restaurant Supplies
Email: customerservice@foodservicedirect.com

Goex
P.O. Box 659
Doyline, Louisiana 71023-0659
USA

One of few manufacturers of black powder supplying North America, in business since 1912.


Phone: (318) 382-9300
Fax: (318) 382-9303
Website: GOEX, Inc. Black Powder and Pinnacle Powder
Email: email@goexpowder.com



Granite Falls Arts Inc.
W1895 Fawn Court
Montello, WI 53949
USA

More commonly known as "Rich Wolter Pyro Tools," maker of some of the best pyro tools around. Supplying the professional and hobby industry since 1973.


Phone: (608) 297-9402
Fax: (608) 297-9402
Website: Wolter Pyro Tools - Quality, Affordable Pyro Tools
Email: wolter@merr.com



Hawk Mountain Enterprises
403 Ramsey Rd
Yardley, PA 19067
USA

A supplier of large scale rocket kits. Also a cheap source for atomozed and 325m flake aluminum.


Phone: (215) 321-0289
Fax: (215) 321-0294
Website: High Power Rocketry in the Blast Zone
Email: agorecki@comcast.net



HB Rocket Tooling

, MN
USA

Harold Bentley makes good quality inexpensive rocket tooling. He also makes the P2F gauge, a device that measures the actual force being applied when pressing rockets, which saves you the trouble of mathematically converting the PSI on a bottle jack gauge to actual force applied! There are two types - one is portable from press to press, the other is designed to be mounted permanently to your press. They're available in 0- 5,000 and 0- 10,000 ranges.


Phone: (507) 334-2758
Website: http://deskmedia.com/~halpatbn/HAROLD1.htm
Email: halpatbn@deskmedia.com



Hobby Fireworks L.L.C.
17020 Hoover Road
Sterling, IL 61081
USA

Ball mills, milling media, star rollers and rocket presses.


Phone: 815-499-0806
Website: Fireworks - www.hobbyfireworks.com entrance.



Hummel Croton Inc.
10 Harmich Road
South Plainfield, NJ 07080-4899
USA

Wholesale chemical supplier of just about everything you would ever need. This is not a hobby supplier, so you have to order big quanities and pay freight shipping. This is one of the suppliers for commercial manufacturers.


Phone: (908) 754-1800
Fax: (908) 754-1815
Website: http://www.hummelcroton.com/pyrochem.html
Email: sales@hummelcroton.com

[dannyvdm]

Does anyone know where I can get my hands on dextrin?
Or do i have to make it?

[TuRps_NZ]

Originally Posted by dannyvdm

Does anyone know where I can get my hands on dextrin?
Or do i have to make it?

I'm not sure if you can buy it, but why bother when it's so easy to make?

[dannyvdm]

Can I make it with Potato Flour? We don't get cornstarch here in SA...

[killerofall]

where can i find beakers and what not, I found some on ebay but they Id rather buy from a store online where i can pic what I want rather than just have to buy a bunch of stuff i dont need. I checked the links above and really couldnt find any place that sales chem suplies that had beakers.

[uchiacon]

Originally Posted by Jago

it's not controlled, they won't ask you questions. Say you are a builder or some shit. If the clerk gives you shit, ask to speak to the manager, if not, tell the manager you are taking your business elsewhere due to harrassment/discrimination.
Seriously, years ago when i first went to pick some up, i was dressed in loose jeans, a black hoody and a black cap, picked up a 5L bottle off the shelf, paid for it and just waltzed out, no questions asked.

What store did you go into? What type? Any idea if theyre in NZ?
Cheers
By the way, hobby firework's ball mills are a complete rip-off. It was like.. $205 US for a wooden casing, a motor and a freaking plastic jar. That's about 340 NZ dollars not including freight, and it looks like something I just made in my back shed.
I cant believe how many people there are on the net trying to f**k you over.

[john lee]

Hello and here's a strange question for anyone into chemicals.
I've just bought some chemical powders and they are not ladeled,they are also very old in glass bottles.
The only infomation i have now is one powder is white and starts with the word sodium.
There's two other unknown chemicals one is white and i'll know the other colour when it's delivered,but it looks brown or red.
There were some other chemicals that still have there lables,these are copper sulfate,potassium permanganate and zinc powder with some other items.
They are ment to be from the time we in the UK had a king,so they must be very old.

It would be handy if i had a way of finding out what the chemicals are so i could use them.

Thanks for any help.John.

[Hetfield]

The white powder could be sodium chlorate. It's a fairly good oxidiser. and used as a weedkiller nowadays! (although usually prilled with a fire depressant)


maybe?

[Hetfield]

One thing I would say john is to be REALLY careful.

I have heard some horror stories!

For example, one pharmacist found a glass container of VERY old picric acid in his shop.
He went to open the screw top lid, and some of it musdt have recrytalized in the thread of the lid. Needles to say, the pharmacist and pharmacy no longer exist.

I doubt anybody would sell you picric acid BUT, unlabled chemicals can be immesurably hazardous in so many ways. Please be careful john!

I'm sure I don't need to tell you this, you seem to know your stuff and it could even seem patronising. I apologize if it does but I'd rather be safe than sorry!

Take care

-Hetfield

[john lee]

Originally Posted by Hetfield

One thing I would say john is to be REALLY careful.

I have heard some horror stories!

For example, one pharmacist found a glass container of VERY old picric acid in his shop.
He went to open the screw top lid, and some of it musdt have recrytalized in the thread of the lid. Needles to say, the pharmacist and pharmacy no longer exist.

I doubt anybody would sell you picric acid BUT, unlabled chemicals can be immesurably hazardous in so many ways. Please be careful john!

I'm sure I don't need to tell you this, you seem to know your stuff and it could even seem patronising. I apologize if it does but I'd rather be safe than sorry!

Take care

-Hetfield

Thanks for the friendly advice Hetfield,careful is my middle name,but shit does happen as we both know.
I shall only test small amounts and if worried they will be dumped.
I'm more intressed it the bottles,but it would be nice to know what the chemicals are,they could even be drugs,looking at the other chemicals i would think not.
I think it would also be safer to open the bottles with all my safty stuff including a mask.
Thanks again.John.
PS I'll let you know the outcome when they have arrived.
UP DATE- The red powder is Fluorescein-
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