Black powder & Flash powder

[freetec]

and can someone please give me the common name for these oxidizers (like XNO3, XClO3, XClO4, XMnO4, etc) and were there found or how they're made please and thanks. sorry kinda a newbie question. lol

[Recycler]

freetec, you're not even trying.

Do you want them to build your M-80s too? Most of the answers are already posted in other threads/pages of this forum and, while the internet isn't a compendium of all human knowledge and opinion, it comes pretty damn close. All you need to lay the world at your fingertips is....

.... A little effort on your part.

A simple search of the internet, using the search engine of your choice and a simple/decent search string, will either answer most every question you've got... or point you in the right direction.

If you already have more than a passing familiarity with a subject and you are in need of even more answers, a session with a search engine using logical and well-thought out search parameters can give more information than you'd probably ever need.... or want.

Again, all it takes is a little effort. Try it some time.

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KNO3....... Potassium Nitrate
NaNO3..... Sodium Nitrate

KClO3...... Potassium Chlorate
NaClO3.... Sodium Chlorate

KClO4...... Potassium Perchlorate
NaClO4.... Sodium Perchlorate

KMnO4..... Potassium Permanganate
NaMnO4... Sodium Permanganate

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As far as "where to find" or "how to make"..... Refer to my initial statements, and that's your homework project.

Also....

Flash powder doesn't 'det' faster than black powder... It burns faster.

Now put your spoon away.

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[freetec]

sorry man... my computer is so slow it takes like ten minutes just to pull up a google search, its not even funny. i get horrible wireless connection (we travel) sorry i only get fifteen minutes soooo.......
thanks for the answers though. ill do some reasearch.

[freetec]

how to seperate the aluminum dust from the sand in an etch-a-sketch? I SPENT ALL DAY (so to speak)GOOGLING IT BUT ONLY BULLSHIT ABOUT SPILLING IT ON THERE DESK AND CANT GET IT OFF. some one please respond asap.

[Vallen]

There is no sand in a etch a sketch.

[freetec]

what is it then (just to be prepared).also thanks for responding

[LizardKing]

I just tried my hand at making some flash powder. I used aluminum foil ground up in a salt shaker. I mixed in the 70/30 ratio of potassium nitrate and aluminum powder aparently it wasnt fine enough because I got nothin' :cry: any tips anyone could give me? why else would this not work? Thanks
LK

[Recycler]

Don't bother with the aluminum foil...

Try and locate spray paints that contain aluminum powder (i.e. Seymour Brand - Alumi Blast) and extract it from those. The paint has to contain aluminum though... If it says aluminum Pigment, it's no good to you. One can also retrieve zinc powder from galvanizing spray paints as well.

[LizardKing]

Originally Posted by Recycler

Don't bother with the aluminum foil...

Try and locate spray paints that contain aluminum powder (i.e. Seymour Brand - Alumi Blast) and extract it from those. The paint has to contain aluminum though... If it says aluminum Pigment, it's no good to you. One can also retrieve zinc powder from galvanizing spray paints as well.

How do you extract the powder from the paint? what do you suppose the malfunction was with the Al foil? and yeah grinding that shit up was a pain, I will not be bothering with it any longer.

[Recycler]

Originally Posted by LizardKing

what do you suppose the malfunction was with the Al foil?

It wasn't fine enough. What you came up with might be useful as a pyrotechnics effect, but that's about it.

Originally Posted by LizardKing

How do you extract the powder from the paint?

Here's a two minute 'tutorial' that should make it a little clearer...

Picture 1 :

The Aluminum Paint I usually use is Seymour Brand - Alumi Blast.

Picture 2 :

Using the spray nozzle and straw from a WD-40 can, I take a well-shaken can of paint and proceed to empty it into a small to medium sized Acetone Bath.

When the can is 'spent', invert the can and continue to spray until as much propellant/pressure as humanly possible has been removed from the can... then put a small puncture hole in it to finish the job. When no more pressure exists, open the can up and wash out the remainder with a little acetone into the Acetone Bath. Depending on how well shaken the can originally was, you'll either get a bunch more out or very little.

Picture 3 :

Then just let it Settle Out.

When messing with this much acetone uncontained, the smart thing to do is perform the procedure outside, away from any open flames or direct heat sources. If you do this inside with little to no ventilation, you run the risk of creating an explosion hazard. All it takes is one errant spark, flame, or burning cigarette....

Picture 4 :

When it's settled out, carefully decant so as not to disturb the bottom layer. Let the remainder dry out (stirring it up occassionally to help it along), and you should have a decent pile of aluminum powder. See here.




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[LizardKing]

WOW thats pretty simple and looks like you get a lot! I am now on the lookout for the paint. Thanks for the tips!! oh and it should say right on the paint can if it has Al powder in it right?

[Recycler]

Originally Posted by LizardKing

oh and it should say right on the paint can if it has Al powder in it right?

For a sure thing, yes, it should say that there is aluminum in it. Seymour's Alumi Blast does. Just remember to ignore anything that says aluminum "pigment" as that's just a dye.

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[freetec]

i got some metalic spray paint its not alumi blast (couldnt find any) and how can i tell if its aluminum flakes? test if its flamable? i know nothing about aluminum.

[freetec]

i tested it with a magnet and it was aluminum i think lol. well i made some "flash" powder using 5g KNO3, 3g sulfur, and 2g of fine aluminum.( it is so fine, its like flour and makes a film of aluminum on my finger when i touch it) but it is more like a rocket fuel. burns like BP but more energetic and last longer. All of my ingrediants were fine. were did i go wrong? Any help from someone who has experience?

[Surfer_Dude]

What Flash Powder can I make using materials from United Nuclear? I was thinking about making some KNO3-Magnesium flash, but the magnesium is kinda expensive. Anyone have any experience with Sulfur-Zinc mixture? Or any other mixtures I can make using United Nuclear?

Thanks

[rexamus]

In the "terrorist's cookbook", as it was known to me (not that faggot annarchist ripoff one) near the end there is a section entitled: "Useful Pyrochemistry"

And it had a set of equations for making Al powder from foil, HCl, and Magnesium.

here it is:

5. powdered aluminum from acids, aluminum foil, and magnesium

A. aluminum foil + 6HCl ----> 2AlCl + 3H
3 2

B. 2AlCl (aq) + 3Mg ----> 3MgCl (aq) + 2Al
3 2

The Al will be a very fine silvery powder at the bottom of the container
which must be filtered and dried. This same method works with nitric and
sulfuric acids, but these acids are too valuable in the production of high
explosives to use for such a purpose, unless they are available in great excess.

So yeah, i've been wondering about this for the last week and I decided to ask you beasts about it.

I remember fucking around making loud noises with Al foil and HCl in plastic PET bottles, but from memory there was left over Al. (Al-foil reacts fairly violently with HCl giving off H2 gas in vast amounts... in case anyone has been living under some chemitry devoid rock or some shit)

If i get some HCl (a good couple of litres) and dissolve as much Aluminium foil in it as i can (until the solution doesn't fizz with the addition of more foil) do you think adding some Magnesium to the Aluminium Chloride will do anything??

If so, will it leave nice pure Aluminium like this old text says? (its a bit dodgy in parts, but far better than the annarchist cookbook)



If so then I'll make some flash powder with some Potassium Permanganate. Equal parts seemed to do fine back in the day.....

-rexthepyro

[Shalshaska]

A guy asked a question like this, but using NaOH rather than HCl, on RogueSci a time ago, and surprisingly, he got positive feedback from the head Admin of the site. I'm not really sure how the experiment came out, but it seems the reaction is done to just the right point where the Aluminium is crumbly, but not yet oxidized to Al2O3. I'd rather just order it, but that option may not always be there.

[jrly]

I can't find aluminum spray paint so I found aluminum roofing paint, but because it has so much tar I don't know if this process would work to separate it. Does anyone know if it would work? Here is the stuff that I have found.

hxxp://toolsmet.com/gxlt/
(use http not hxxp)

[MDH]

Thought I might mention this.

Plaster of Paris is calcium sulfate. This can be combined with magnesium of 50-60% or more (rest being aluminum typically) made on sandpaper or a grinding or filing surface.

Adding a small amount of calcium sulfate to a gram of magnesium until it is a consistent greyish powder can yield a fast flash.

Of course there is also reduction based flash produced from sulfur and magensium. Mixing sulfur with magnesium will make a brilliant, brissant flash of light when it is ignited.

[klunckmonkey]

Originally Posted by blank stare

United Nuclear has stopped selling the extra fine aluminum powder because it works so well in flash powders. Next they'll outlaw lettuce because it works so well in salad.
If you have a larger mesh aluminum, would you need more/less oxidizer?

Holy shit I just went to that website, how the fuck do they get away with selling that shit? You can buy uranium!! Do they do background checks or something? Because I want to buy some stuff...

[DeathToSociety]

lol, if you bought Uranium you would not succeed in making a nuclear bomb, you will succeed in killing yourself though. Good Luck

[klunckmonkey]

LOL I wasn't talking about buying Uranium! I meant buying some ammonium nitrate.


Actually I was planning on buying the uranium, grinding it into a fine powder and then snorting it.

[Jago]

Let's keep this on the topic of black powder and flash powder. Not uranium, snorting uranium, or acting like a bunch of immature dicks in general. Consider this a warning.

[angelofdeath]

ok i have a question about binders for flash or black powder. first. is there any and second. how do you bind them with flash or black powder?

[General Grim]

To ensure that this guide was made to the best standard I had it verified on Pyroguide, ideally I should submit it to the wiki. So here is a guide to making flash powder (which I wrote):

In my pyrotechnics group scroll down to the comments

If you want to view it on Pyroguide then here's the link to it:

How to make fireworks, rockets, compositions and other pyrotechnic devices, etc. Making fireworks> Third page > Flash tutorial. Pyroguide has one of those funny linking things where it remains at the directory.

Comments? Questions?

[Timm]

Mmmm.. flash... fun and dangerous, like that crazy peg-legged bitch with the raspy voice that smokes grass on the side of the b-n-b bar down by the harbor.. anyway, it seems like some of you know what your doing, and some of you won't last 12 minutes past opening both boxes of your pyro-supply order without blowing your dicks off. READ GEN. GRIM'S FLASH GUIDE! He understands the respect that flash demands!!

Don't use permaganate or chlorate, ever if you can avoid it. Never make more than a few g's at a time... use a sweet particulate facemask if you can when using fine metal powders, even a shitty dixie cup type particulate mask if thats all you have. (and if you string an actual dixie cup to your face or thought thats what i meant you should probably just turn off your computer and go outside or go look at some porn or something cause this shit isn't for you.)

United nuclear's prices are exorbitant. Firefox, jumpin jack flash, thunder valley... try them. Diaper roll the chems with newsprint, virgin if avail, go to the printer and hit them up for a "roll end". Its just unprinted newspaper roll remnant before they put another huge fresh one in there, comes on a giant .625" thick 3" dia paper tube of the highest caliber..(ha ha get it?) ...some roach killer products are nearly pure boric acid, for those of you that only have nitrate.. roach-pruf, roach away, read the label.
DO NOT TEST YOUR FIRST OR ANY FLASH WITH A FUCKING LIGHTER!!! use a piece of folded up paper and a fuse, every time, fuse = sparks flying (duh) so seal it up a lil... read up on this shit if you are considering making it.. and you can only make the good shit with ordered pyro-specific chems. Sorry kids... Follow these and many other common pyro rules and you *probably* wont have to scrape dick fragments off your ceiling and walls!

[MurderSkillz]

aluminum powder made out of aluminum foil is fairly easy.. just takes some time.. i got some in my ball mill if ya guys want a pic.. its not done yet but still as dark as indian blackhead.. still got about a week.. ill try and post up some pics tomorrow.


Peace

[john lee]

DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!
I've a problem with my potassium chlorate and perchlorate.
It only burns with a bright light.It looks like a strip of magnesium burning.
It can't be the 400 mesh aluminium power as i've test it with a very small amount of potassium permanganate and that works great.
I trust the person that sold me the chlorate/perchlorate,so it must be something that i'm doing wrong,i've even tryed sulpher with no change.
Could it be that the chlorate/perchlorate is damp,it also will only go off with a fuse.
Very strange.
The amount tested was about one gram,so i tryed uping the test amount with also no change,the chemicals were in sealed containers,so damp should not be a problem,unless the chemicals were already damp.
Tryed 70-30 mix.60-40 mix.50-50 mix.then started adding sulphur at about 10%.
You should be able to set this stuff off with a spark,but i could not do that with a lighter,only a fuse works!

I thought i should edit this as i've done everything that should not be done with flash powder.
Please note that the chemicals were mixed the correct way to start with,i moved into the danger zone after that,there was no other way to see what worked and i've now come to a standstill,untill i find out what's wrong.

[Hetfield]

Well, john i'm not sure I can help you here. BUT

with a chlorate mix, I have been experimenting latley only with TINY amounts! (you'll know why in a moment)

Powdered potassium chlorate, mixed in a 60/40 ratio with ......Flint dust.

The tiny amounts, is because I have been using a lighter to grind up my flint, It takes FOREVER but hell this stuff is FAST!

By the way, that is 60 Flint and 40 Pot chlorate......Use the diaper method.

Seiriously, get a peice of paper, and just keep turning your flint wheel slowly, but just fast enough to get friction, basically, as fast as you can go without it sparking, catching the dust that falls off in the paper.

EDIT: another thing john......If you can find them, get some silica gel packets and keep them in with your chemicals, good way to remove moisture, also, maybe try powdereing it even finer......Ball mill?

[john lee]

Originally Posted by Hetfield

Well, john i'm not sure I can help you here. BUT

with a chlorate mix, I have been experimenting latley only with TINY amounts! (you'll know why in a moment)

Powdered potassium chlorate, mixed in a 60/40 ratio with ......Flint dust.

The tiny amounts, is because I have been using a lighter to grind up my flint, It takes FOREVER but hell this stuff is FAST!

By the way, that is 60 Flint and 40 Pot chlorate......Use the diaper method.

Seiriously, get a peice of paper, and just keep turning your flint wheel slowly, but just fast enough to get friction, basically, as fast as you can go without it sparking, catching the dust that falls off in the paper.

EDIT: another thing john......If you can find them, get some silica gel packets and keep them in with your chemicals, good way to remove moisture, also, maybe try powdereing it even finer......Ball mill?

I cant understand why my flash is not working.
I only thing i can think of is that the chemicals were already damp when sent,i'll stick some in the oven on a low setting and see if this sorts out my problem.
I've not tryed chlorate with flint powder,only zinc powder that was removed from a new battery.
I can now buy the zinc dust for £15-1kg,but it needs to be bought with other items due to the postage charge of £8.50.
I'll retry the chlorate/perchlorate in the morning.
Does that flint/chlorate mix work the same as flash or are there lots of sparks.
I've see a vid on youtube where a flint was heated with a lighter and hit with a stick,there was a huge amount of sparks from that.Cheers John.