Black powder & Flash powder

[freetec]

and can someone please give me the common name for these oxidizers (like XNO3, XClO3, XClO4, XMnO4, etc) and were there found or how they're made please and thanks. sorry kinda a newbie question. lol

[Recycler]

freetec, you're not even trying.

Do you want them to build your M-80s too? Most of the answers are already posted in other threads/pages of this forum and, while the internet isn't a compendium of all human knowledge and opinion, it comes pretty damn close. All you need to lay the world at your fingertips is....

.... A little effort on your part.

A simple search of the internet, using the search engine of your choice and a simple/decent search string, will either answer most every question you've got... or point you in the right direction.

If you already have more than a passing familiarity with a subject and you are in need of even more answers, a session with a search engine using logical and well-thought out search parameters can give more information than you'd probably ever need.... or want.

Again, all it takes is a little effort. Try it some time.

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KNO3....... Potassium Nitrate
NaNO3..... Sodium Nitrate

KClO3...... Potassium Chlorate
NaClO3.... Sodium Chlorate

KClO4...... Potassium Perchlorate
NaClO4.... Sodium Perchlorate

KMnO4..... Potassium Permanganate
NaMnO4... Sodium Permanganate

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As far as "where to find" or "how to make"..... Refer to my initial statements, and that's your homework project.

Also....

Flash powder doesn't 'det' faster than black powder... It burns faster.

Now put your spoon away.

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[freetec]

sorry man... my computer is so slow it takes like ten minutes just to pull up a google search, its not even funny. i get horrible wireless connection (we travel) sorry i only get fifteen minutes soooo.......
thanks for the answers though. ill do some reasearch.

[freetec]

how to seperate the aluminum dust from the sand in an etch-a-sketch? I SPENT ALL DAY (so to speak)GOOGLING IT BUT ONLY BULLSHIT ABOUT SPILLING IT ON THERE DESK AND CANT GET IT OFF. some one please respond asap.

[Vallen]

There is no sand in a etch a sketch.

[freetec]

what is it then (just to be prepared).also thanks for responding

[LizardKing]

I just tried my hand at making some flash powder. I used aluminum foil ground up in a salt shaker. I mixed in the 70/30 ratio of potassium nitrate and aluminum powder aparently it wasnt fine enough because I got nothin' :cry: any tips anyone could give me? why else would this not work? Thanks
LK

[Recycler]

Don't bother with the aluminum foil...

Try and locate spray paints that contain aluminum powder (i.e. Seymour Brand - Alumi Blast) and extract it from those. The paint has to contain aluminum though... If it says aluminum Pigment, it's no good to you. One can also retrieve zinc powder from galvanizing spray paints as well.

[LizardKing]

Originally Posted by Recycler

Don't bother with the aluminum foil...

Try and locate spray paints that contain aluminum powder (i.e. Seymour Brand - Alumi Blast) and extract it from those. The paint has to contain aluminum though... If it says aluminum Pigment, it's no good to you. One can also retrieve zinc powder from galvanizing spray paints as well.

How do you extract the powder from the paint? what do you suppose the malfunction was with the Al foil? and yeah grinding that shit up was a pain, I will not be bothering with it any longer.

[Recycler]

Originally Posted by LizardKing

what do you suppose the malfunction was with the Al foil?

It wasn't fine enough. What you came up with might be useful as a pyrotechnics effect, but that's about it.

Originally Posted by LizardKing

How do you extract the powder from the paint?

Here's a two minute 'tutorial' that should make it a little clearer...

Picture 1 :

The Aluminum Paint I usually use is Seymour Brand - Alumi Blast.

Picture 2 :

Using the spray nozzle and straw from a WD-40 can, I take a well-shaken can of paint and proceed to empty it into a small to medium sized Acetone Bath.

When the can is 'spent', invert the can and continue to spray until as much propellant/pressure as humanly possible has been removed from the can... then put a small puncture hole in it to finish the job. When no more pressure exists, open the can up and wash out the remainder with a little acetone into the Acetone Bath. Depending on how well shaken the can originally was, you'll either get a bunch more out or very little.

Picture 3 :

Then just let it Settle Out.

When messing with this much acetone uncontained, the smart thing to do is perform the procedure outside, away from any open flames or direct heat sources. If you do this inside with little to no ventilation, you run the risk of creating an explosion hazard. All it takes is one errant spark, flame, or burning cigarette....

Picture 4 :

When it's settled out, carefully decant so as not to disturb the bottom layer. Let the remainder dry out (stirring it up occassionally to help it along), and you should have a decent pile of aluminum powder. See here.




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[LizardKing]

WOW thats pretty simple and looks like you get a lot! I am now on the lookout for the paint. Thanks for the tips!! oh and it should say right on the paint can if it has Al powder in it right?

[Recycler]

Originally Posted by LizardKing

oh and it should say right on the paint can if it has Al powder in it right?

For a sure thing, yes, it should say that there is aluminum in it. Seymour's Alumi Blast does. Just remember to ignore anything that says aluminum "pigment" as that's just a dye.

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[freetec]

i got some metalic spray paint its not alumi blast (couldnt find any) and how can i tell if its aluminum flakes? test if its flamable? i know nothing about aluminum.

[freetec]

i tested it with a magnet and it was aluminum i think lol. well i made some "flash" powder using 5g KNO3, 3g sulfur, and 2g of fine aluminum.( it is so fine, its like flour and makes a film of aluminum on my finger when i touch it) but it is more like a rocket fuel. burns like BP but more energetic and last longer. All of my ingrediants were fine. were did i go wrong? Any help from someone who has experience?

[Surfer_Dude]

What Flash Powder can I make using materials from United Nuclear? I was thinking about making some KNO3-Magnesium flash, but the magnesium is kinda expensive. Anyone have any experience with Sulfur-Zinc mixture? Or any other mixtures I can make using United Nuclear?

Thanks

[rexamus]

In the "terrorist's cookbook", as it was known to me (not that faggot annarchist ripoff one) near the end there is a section entitled: "Useful Pyrochemistry"

And it had a set of equations for making Al powder from foil, HCl, and Magnesium.

here it is:

5. powdered aluminum from acids, aluminum foil, and magnesium

A. aluminum foil + 6HCl ----> 2AlCl + 3H
3 2

B. 2AlCl (aq) + 3Mg ----> 3MgCl (aq) + 2Al
3 2

The Al will be a very fine silvery powder at the bottom of the container
which must be filtered and dried. This same method works with nitric and
sulfuric acids, but these acids are too valuable in the production of high
explosives to use for such a purpose, unless they are available in great excess.

So yeah, i've been wondering about this for the last week and I decided to ask you beasts about it.

I remember fucking around making loud noises with Al foil and HCl in plastic PET bottles, but from memory there was left over Al. (Al-foil reacts fairly violently with HCl giving off H2 gas in vast amounts... in case anyone has been living under some chemitry devoid rock or some shit)

If i get some HCl (a good couple of litres) and dissolve as much Aluminium foil in it as i can (until the solution doesn't fizz with the addition of more foil) do you think adding some Magnesium to the Aluminium Chloride will do anything??

If so, will it leave nice pure Aluminium like this old text says? (its a bit dodgy in parts, but far better than the annarchist cookbook)



If so then I'll make some flash powder with some Potassium Permanganate. Equal parts seemed to do fine back in the day.....

-rexthepyro

[Shalshaska]

A guy asked a question like this, but using NaOH rather than HCl, on RogueSci a time ago, and surprisingly, he got positive feedback from the head Admin of the site. I'm not really sure how the experiment came out, but it seems the reaction is done to just the right point where the Aluminium is crumbly, but not yet oxidized to Al2O3. I'd rather just order it, but that option may not always be there.

[jrly]

I can't find aluminum spray paint so I found aluminum roofing paint, but because it has so much tar I don't know if this process would work to separate it. Does anyone know if it would work? Here is the stuff that I have found.

hxxp://toolsmet.com/gxlt/
(use http not hxxp)

[MDH]

Thought I might mention this.

Plaster of Paris is calcium sulfate. This can be combined with magnesium of 50-60% or more (rest being aluminum typically) made on sandpaper or a grinding or filing surface.

Adding a small amount of calcium sulfate to a gram of magnesium until it is a consistent greyish powder can yield a fast flash.

Of course there is also reduction based flash produced from sulfur and magensium. Mixing sulfur with magnesium will make a brilliant, brissant flash of light when it is ignited.

[klunckmonkey]

Originally Posted by blank stare

United Nuclear has stopped selling the extra fine aluminum powder because it works so well in flash powders. Next they'll outlaw lettuce because it works so well in salad.
If you have a larger mesh aluminum, would you need more/less oxidizer?

Holy shit I just went to that website, how the fuck do they get away with selling that shit? You can buy uranium!! Do they do background checks or something? Because I want to buy some stuff...

[DeathToSociety]

lol, if you bought Uranium you would not succeed in making a nuclear bomb, you will succeed in killing yourself though. Good Luck

[klunckmonkey]

LOL I wasn't talking about buying Uranium! I meant buying some ammonium nitrate.


Actually I was planning on buying the uranium, grinding it into a fine powder and then snorting it.