salt & bleach?

[Thelonepiper]

is there an explosive that contains Salt & bleach

[DeathToSociety]

wow, really? why don't you pick another two random things and ask again, maybe you'll get lucky.

[grndpndr]

Actually there is an explosive made with salt and bleach called pottasium chlorate/.sod chlorate smartguy.
It can be me made from plain salt yielding sodium chlorate detonating at 2900MPS when added to petroleum jelly confined with a BC or made with a common salt substitute pott chloride yielding Pottasium chlorate with det vel of 3200MPS.perhaps if you dont know of what your talking about you might want to listen awhile or god forbid do some research.Small amounts can be made via stovetop large quantitys using water softener salt and pool cleaner via electrolysis in which large quantitys of the HE s made. Equivalent to 20-30% straight dynamite.In fact it was one of the first successful synthesis I ever used. Google Imp pott chlorate brain trust before you slam someone who has some interest in pyro and not just an urge to slam others, Mouth.

[General Grim]

No, this doesn't work. Simple as. Ignore the bullshit typed above.

[grndpndr]

Ignore "general Grimms' BS rsponse .Science is about doing,thiers a wealth of info on improvising pott chlorate/sod chlorate
the syntesis are safe enough for a beginner although #8 bc could be a problem w/out being able to synthesise HMTD or merc fulminate a much more difficult proposition and dangerous since they re very touchy and could explode while being pressed into a sutable tube and fused.Lots to learn, mainly about constructing the caps.


PS take a look at Sciecemadness you wont have to endure this madness

[General Grim]

As I sit here, somewhat calm, I contemplate how to respond. Do you just prove it through Google? Do I use the chemistry knowledge I have to disprove him? Do I get another chemist do disprove him?

Nah, I'd rather ridicule you, you're too pathetic to take seriously and your highly undeveloped level of English just makes the dross you type more difficult to decipher. Just go away, you keep threatening to leave, yet, the drop out is still here. I enjoyed my education, too bad you had to leave early and go join the US meat factory. But just so that this post has some value, I'll respond to some things:

pottasium chlorate/.sod chlorate

An explosive... made from two oxidisers? Haha, explain that.

It can be me made from plain salt yielding sodium chlorate detonating at 2900MPS when added to petroleum jelly confined

Err... no. Petroleum Jelly is not a reactive enough fuel to produce detonation velocity with sodium chlorate- combined they only have the potential deflagerate slightly, possibly fizz.

Small amounts can be made via stovetop large quantitys using water softener salt and pool cleaner via electrolysis

That's part one of your bullshit, I know pyrotechnicians in Australia who have been making sodium chlorate via complex electrolysis. Although I don't have the will to start up my old computer and retrieve the files I can confirm that the process required expensive anodes and knowledge far beyond the width of yours.

in which large quantitys of the HE s made

Reports of making any of the said chemicals require excess amounts of potassium chloride which normally dilutes the useful yield of product. Percentage yield is horrendous.

Equivalent to 20-30% straight dynamite

No accurate way of measurement? No comparable substances? That equates to bullshit.

In fact it was one of the first successful synthesis I ever used

Pics, video or bullshit. I except no excuses if you cannot viably prove it.

Originally Posted by grndpndr before the moron realised his post made him sound like a retard

Thats right dont google it dont show any experience simply brush it off as it didnt work for you or have you attempted it or just teenage word of mouth crap as experience. Thats right its bullshit but on your end.Where the hell did you get some PHD apparentlyto dismiss out of hand w/o any supporting documentation other than "ignore the above it doesnt work" as if your a god like figure in the field of explosives /pyotechnics? General grim holder of patents and all around expert in all things .Crap! So has spoken our london corespondent.Furthermore take your fucking juvenile forum about running away /breaking into homes/afraid to fight and may all the asshole s who abide here with thier deep seated personality disorders eat shit and die.There ,that fits well with many comments Ive heard from the vocabularily challenged members here.Should have stayed with sciencemadness where ill return to regain my sanity after listening to you fuckin wankers.

Do you fear me that much? Am I that intimidating that you get the impression that I'm a pyrotechnical God? Go away, your mindless ranting annoys me.


To the OP: Once again, don't bother attempt this, it will not work.

[grndpndr]

Were waiting for anything but your word of mouth,pics video etc?Iagree you nd ths etie teenage wasteland irritate and amuse me at the same time so to satisfy all of us where is the
button to disentangle myself from this zoo of adolescent angst.

Bottom line asshole you admitted with your own post its done and answered the original question.

[General Grim]

What? You really are a drop out. What a wonderfully eloquent metaphor used to describe your great struggles at Bombshock. It's so challenging, isn't it? The basic ability to spell, punctuate and obey grammatical rules. I love it when people pretend that they're laughing or that somehow they're entertained when in reality they're struggling to come to terms with the pressures put on them. Their ego being hurt without any ability to physically retort against the person; burdened by their inability to communicate to a satisfactory standard; prevented by the anonymity that the internet provides. It's like being slapped whilst your hands are tied, you're incapable of doing much except express some anger towards the person or pretend that you enjoy it. I'm unaffected by your attempts to ridicule me, in fact I find it cute- so entertaining when the uncomprehending fool tries to challenge the quite clearly more verbally adept person.

I love conflict, you hate your restrictions to respond without sounding retarded, trying to cover up your exposed mistakes. Sit there and think about it for a moment, why do you like to pretend you're not affected? The title "Dropout" should be plastered across your forehead. Stay there, in mental anguish, asking yourself how to respond back.

You cannot, you will always fail, you will never gain the ability succeed on this vector we understand as a "forum". You lack communication skills, you lack raw knowledge, you have nothing but your aimless rants and your fabricated laughter.

Bottom line asshole you admitted with your own post its done and answered the original question.

Yes, keep convincing yourself.

[Bahr]

Its nice to see every body getting along on here.

[D00M]

Not taking sides, but I don't know who the hell you are. Umm I'd put your name in but I kinda forgot it (sorry!). But General does kind of have the better record. Again, I have no clue who you are so I'm inclined not to mix chemicals together that General says won't do shit (or will level a few city blocks).

[grndpndr]

It doesn't matter what my name is and The person who has given himself the title of general rants are impotent and most likely a way to hide ignorance and fear.Anyway he doesnt deserve that much discussion this is supposed to be a forum concerned with fact not personality but that illusion is rapidly fading.
Doom do you ever do any research yourself or simply leave it to someone else to make up your mind for you and tell you whats fact and whats fiction.A priviledge you should be more careful with.In other words do your own damn research!

Check out Rogue Science ,weapons and explosives forum particularly the Archive files,I spent 20 minues there and found around a half dozen discussions and synthesis of pottasium and sodium chlorate using "salt and bleach" pott-sod chlorides and calcium hypochlorite (pool shock chlorinator) and other methods of synthesis.If you werent aware rogue science has actual chemists conributing rather than the KEWLS running rampant on this soapbox wrongly called a forum.

A few of the many refereces Ive found in a matter of minutes regarding the '"salt and bleach"
question. Rogue Science archive files #124 "Pott. chlorate", #307" chlorate,perchlorate production cells","NaC103 from calcium hypohlorite"

Spend a few minutes ,google pottasium chlorate synthesis and you'll find more info on synthesising sodium,pottasium chlorate than you can ever use.
Step out of the darkness and into the light of your own research!

Spare us the rants "general", the facts are there for anyone with the interest to search.
And youll be proven wrong IF theres anyone willing to take the time.

[Corporal Punishment]

Oh thats it bitch! it's back on!

I will now highlight the verybest of your message to me in response to the peace I called, now oh so broken...general...nukes are away!

Personally i have other far more intelligent places to hang much more so , where I am the student learning from real chemists as Im nothing of the sort.It appeared this site was in desperate need of help before someone or more folks were maimed/killd is why I offered Advice/suggestions.But it seems the s yongsters expect to go from blak cats to C4 overnight.I do not dabble myself I did have a friend now deceased who did enjoy this sort of thing he ws a practical sort of man his main interest not being the intricacys of molecules but what ws practical for a man to obtain OTC with the brisance to exceed TNT by a comfortable margin means of det and his mian interest Shaped Charges af all kinds meat to attack and defeat hard targets followed by a mild interest in IMp mnes for soft targets.As i believe he foresaw a practical need to keep the info alive should it be needed here at home due to the incremental detsruction of the constitution ( (freedom of speech) (Habeus Corpus ) non patriot act etc.Starngely enough he was also n the military where he also learned demolitions as well as froiegn weapons crosstraining Its called whch interestd him greatly.

. A collection that was safe first of all given the respect deserved
most importnt VOD adequate for his faorite SC deigns EFPs beng his favortite due to its off road capabilitys I believe compared to conical SCs But he found utility in all the variations cylinder SCs for pipelies.storage tanks etc where lare holes of very mod depth would work well as well as the Linear SC why am no sure unless he had visions of the movie HEAT and rbbing a armored car.LOL Well may he rst in peace wher all the precursors are free and available and n laws against having fun.Fare well CP.I am very suspicious of any commo from electronic to FTF but I look forard to seeing your collection of chemical synthesis!

If you do not have knowledge of the science behind something of this nature...DO NOT ASSIST OTHERS!

also...you do not dabble?

I spy a contradiction...

for a kid to ask about an explosive containing SALT AND BLEACH immediately indicates that they are unable to safely preform the procedures required to yield any product.

for you to say sodium chlorate's formula is "NaC103" shows you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Swat knows more about pyro than I do and I most definitely know more than you do, therefore HE KNOWS MORE THAN YOU ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.

fuck its late...if this thread isnt locked in the morning I'll finish beatin gyou up then.

[General Grim]

Swat knows more about pyro than I do and I most definitely know more than you do, therefore HE KNOWS MORE THAN YOU ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.

Not really this field, I'm a firework maker. However I'm competent enough to know the electrolysis of potassium chlorate is far beyond the abilities of grndpndr and the OP, that the OPs question was whether "salt and bleach" could make an explosive NOT just an oxidiser (as you'd need a good fuel to go with it, like magnesium which kinda defeats the purpose) and that grndpndr is a drop out.

[Belgarion]

Woo, flamefest! General Grim are you Australian or just know Australian pyrotechnicians? I always though the explosives industry was very small here.

[Corporal Punishment]

If you do your research there is a lot of things you can do.

there a few sites with links to aussie pyro supplies...namely pyroguide.com and APCforum.net lots of information is published for pyros in aus because of the difficulty advancing the hobby there...also try roguesci in "the great OTC thread"

[grndpndr]

Apparently no one has heard of deniability here,IIRC its mentioned as a good idea in the forum rules , can't think of anyone who uses phrases such as a friend,a dream etc?Maybe we should all take videos of the illegal experiments performed with your smiling face in the background.HMM.. seems ive seen that video on worlds dumbest crooks.By the way anyone done ANY research on the actual 'discussion' other than
myself or does dogging someone pass as a forum?

What is it with this "drop out" thing and why the near anal fixation with it .And how does that affect the question of salt and bleach? The 'general" with self appointed,self important titles obviously not earned have shown nothing to contradict the fact that Pott chlorate and sod chlorate can be made from "salt and bleach" depending on the salt used as the precursor.In fact the only rebuttal is in the form of insults that neither I or the poster are capable of the electrolysis method.So in effect all this is smoke and mirrors designed to hide the fact they were and are wrong which has been subtly admitted if you read thier posts carefully. And Why on earth would I name myself as having broken the law in a vain and silly attempt to
impress people i do not know and have no real strong feelings about one way or another?

By the way corporal i did not break the agreement as far as Im aware. I ran across what I assumed was a recent reply to a post aimed at myself.If im wrong I am big enough to admit that fact.

"General" the drop out thing has no emtional effect on me for few simple reasons,for lack of a few credits I failed to get my HS diploma,however the meat factory which you called it known to those of us who served as the US Army specifically the 82nd ABN ,one unit with which I served was a very good learning experience in itself and I earned a Kansas HS equivalency certificate while on temp duty at Ft Riley KS.My aptitude tests upon entry qualified me for any MOS the military had to offer and since I now have a service connected injury
I was given batterys of tests IQ and apptitude for chap.31 retraining. The results placed me in the superior range with a 122 IQ.So you see the drop out slur has no effect on my self esteem, whch in no way can match your imagnary ego real, or faked I suspect to cover insecurity.If the egomania is real then that is indeed frightening for you as it will inevitably lead to personal problems.

As there is a system of selective dicipline here Im sure my post alone will be found to be
innapropriate or unacceptable in some other way leading to another mark of "shame".However defending oneself isnt a mark of shame at least in a legal or moral sense.
On the other hand its acceptble to use foul language,insult,and basically call other members Liars w/o proof or consequence depending on who you are of course.

You see it is possble to post w/o foul language! It even sounds more intelligent...Who woulda thunk it ??

[Azrael21]

122 IQ is in the above average category. Not superior, their is no such thing as "superior" IQ. 100-119 is average, 120-129 is above average, 130-139 is gifted, and anything above that is genius. You shouldnt boast about that. I am 15 and have an IQ of 125. Even though the IQ test is adjusted to your age, i havent even got halfway through high school yet.

I know that this isnt the who is smarter thread but i just wanted to put my two cents in.

[General Grim]

Uh, I don't feel like reading your post, probably nothing to do with the topic. About the IQs thing, it makes no difference (even more so as mine is higher than yours at 131), so I don't think you should pride yourself on such small things, small man.

I'll give you a proper reply later on, in the mean time summarise your thoughts on me and give me a nice visitor message, guaranteed not to be deleted.

[Corporal Punishment]

Active A bitched at me cause he thought I was lying about my IQ...and my old managers IQ AND my bar back friend's IQ

but really, IQ has nothing to do with anything. IQ is a measure of ability to learn not a measure of actual knowledge...so kindly shut the fuck up until your knowledge surpasses ours...which it won't because we have a better ability to learn than you.

wait...I guess IQ does have something to do with this!

and btw...you pick a fight with someone I respect you pick a fight with me.

what is your user name on science madness by the way?

[Slathe]

Ah, I've actually heard of a improvised explosive made from pratrollium jelly and potassium chlorate, or was perchlorate? Can't remember for sure but it was supposed to be a rather weak explosive and some what difficult to get to explode. As to how true it is or not.... Well it's been sourced to an amry manual... And the jelly is spoused to be fairly flammable. But by no means explosive. Sounds dumb to me, but it's a pretty popular idea.

[grndpndr]

How about that someone who acually did a bit of research .And an unintimidated man with few posts to boot.Eectrolysis is not the only way to snythesise pott or sod chlorate.Salt,pott chloride or sod chloride depending on desired chlorate can be used and calcium hypocholrite.This is NOT rocket science guys and even a dropout with only a 122 IQ
and Kansas HS Equivalency can manage to find in depth instruction of its synthesis.I hesitated to post such asinine subjects as an IQ test but the constant belittlement by a pyrotechnician who has by his own admission made NO HEs has no clue how simple some of these nitrations are.(you do realize there is a individual in fed jail as we speak, (Sherman Austin)1 of his charges posting explosives synthesis.(2007 law instigated by Diane Fienstien)
In a dream or perhaps my dead friend has synthesised AP,MEKP,picric acid ,Fulminate of mercury,and made a binary exlosive when the materials were readily available as well as made electric and fused single primary and composite caps.Other practical and successful experiments were line charges, platter charges and some fun with fishing AN/MEKP 14ml mekp/100gr AN
and if my dream is correct a small fulminate cap.
Picric acid or TNP IS the bomb at 7480MPS ,OTC precursors,stable enough yet easly detonatd and can be made into a plastic with petroleum jelly as well but with some loss of VOD. If my dessicated friends info is correct the extreme crack of the picric acid and results on witness plates was far more impressive than even the AN/NM though it was stisfactory for 1/4lb line charges splitting 6x 5/8steel plate when tamped and penetrating the same plate with a platter charge with 1/2 lb an/nm.Back to the pott chlorate/sod chlorate det velocitys resectively are 2900 for the sod. salt and 3200 for the
pott salt.In other words very close to 20-30% NG dynamte.
Purely personal motives but Id like to see a bit more research than personality bashing
I would spoon feed the naysayers with a printout of various synthesis but I havent the means and posting links didnt work for me?Besides why do i need to spoonfeed the "experts"?
One of whom has no nitrations under his belt and is a firecracker maker?

PS;vocabulary is a very good indication of intelligence,"bitch"

PSS;Azriel ,There are many different tests and measures of intelligence and since this particular test I qouted was in '89' IIRC the definitions were as follows average,above average, superior, very superior.Im not disputing what youve said just clarifying MY position.I agree with those whove said IQ tests have little to do with an individuals actual abilitys and are just a simple ,flawed indicator of potential.

[General Grim]

.Eectrolysis is not the only way to snythesise pott or sod chlorate.

Who said it is? We're talking in context here, you're going far out of context. The OP has no real chemistry or pyrotechnics experience and asked if he could make an explosive out of bleach and table salt- you offer him electrolysis to create just an oxidiser. Did he ask for just an oxidiser? No. Did he even know what electrolysis meant until now? Probably not. So show me some research proving salt and bleach combined makes a ready to use explosive, otherwise most of your argument is invalid.

.I hesitated to post such asinine subjects as an IQ test but the constant belittlement by a pyrotechnician who has by his own admission made NO HEs has no clue how simple some of these nitrations are.

Because you have to do something to know it doesn't work, right? Because you've done this and provided evidence that you have, right? You are on no grounds to start stating qualifications, boy, considering that you aren't exactly crystal clear on your abilities. If you REALLY want to, I'll bring in my chemist buddies to show you how impractical your advise is to the OP who doesn't even have a workshop.

Speaking of which, you probably still use your kitchen stove as a bunsen burner.

there is a individual in fed jail as we speak, (Sherman Austin)1 of his charges posting explosives synthesis.(2007 law instigated by Diane Fienstien)

Great excuse there, even though the 38,060 members APC and RogueSci haven't been arrested, law enforcement agencies would make a special exception for you and search through the 12,351 members of this site to get issued a search warrant for your house.

Quote from wikipedia:

"a United States federal law which makes the distribution of information on explosives unlawful if the information is provided with the knowledge or intent that the information will be used to commit a violent federal crime"

Seeing as the OP didn't say he wanted this information to blow up the Pentagon, your fears of police interference are ill founded. So stop making things up and start providing facts and proof. Austin also owned an Anarchist website and distributed information on a daily basis to other anti-government officials, that makes him a threat to national security. I highly doubt that a moron like you is to be considered a threat to national security.

In a dream or perhaps my dead friend has synthesised AP,MEKP,picric acid ,Fulminate of mercury,and made a binary exlosive when the materials were readily available as well as made electric and fused single primary and composite caps.Other practical and successful experiments were line charges, platter charges and some fun with fishing AN/MEKP 14ml mekp/100gr AN

Seeing as it's a dream or a dead friend made it your post is irrelevant. Until you provide images of AT LEAST your workshop, some glassware, maybe some chemicals and even a video of your results then I won't take you seriously.

Purely personal motives but Id like to see a bit more research than personality bashing

Give me the tome and I'll chop it up. You've given me none, so I chopped you up.

I would spoon feed the naysayers with a printout of various synthesis but I havent the means and posting links didnt work for me?Besides why do i need to spoonfeed the "experts"?
One of whom has no nitrations under his belt and is a firecracker maker?

Why should I trust a drop-out who admittedly basis his self esteem off his IQ (which isn't that high) when he knows that it's a flawed indicator of potential. Also, get it right, I'm a firework maker, not firecracker maker. Just because I rely on my star pump instead of the test tube, doesn't mean I can't play game if you handed me a set of glassware.

PS;vocabulary is a very good indication of intelligence,"bitch"

PS: "PS" stands for "Post-script", using a semi colon is an example of poor punctuation. Vocabulary is a very good indication that the person knows a few extra words, seeing as yours doesn't supersede mine you don't have any real grounds for saying you're the least bit intelligent. More advanced concepts such as correct paragraphing and consistently flawless English are regarded as signs of intelligence. More importantly, having high analytical skill an ability is the highest sign of intelligence in my books, but seeing as you can't even explain yourself without making at least 10 mistakes I don't think it's even worth trying to gauge how smart you are.

Keep whimpering like an injured dog, oh BTW, that was a really poor attempt by signing up as "Timm".

[grndpndr]

Timm?

At any rate the question seems to have been answered to my satsfaction my protaginists
reduced to ridiculing my grammar, spelling and intelligence while admitting,Finally ,chlorates and from there the difficult process of adding fuel will make an explosive.By the way I noticed some errors in your spelling as well ,"Tome"?
In any event arguing with you provides no satisfaction or payoff.And if you havent noticed many of the members of rogue science and sciencemadness use the very same language when describing synthesis or activities,sonny.
At any rate as far as im concerned this useless banter is over.

[grndpndr]

"Timm"?Better check your sources.
At any rate this thread is over as far as Im concerned reading through the thread you and Cpl have admitted the synthesis possible its just a pissing contest at this point w/out any real substance.So bluster and roar all you will it matters for shit to me sonny.

[General Grim]

Timm is the other account you made.

I'm not going to bother any more, as the majority of my post was not based on your crap English, just the rest of it. I never said making potassium chlorate is impossible through electrolysis, you're once again going out of context as the OP lacks the ability to properly set up a electrolysis cell. "Tome" means a large book, a volume of information, it's called a metaphor.

To summarise:

1. It's impossible for the OP to do what you described
2. Fuels for potassium chlorate are difficult to obtain (more specifically reactive fuels)
3. You still didn't prove your qualifications.
4. You still haven't left this site after threatening to do so several times.

[Corporal Punishment]

I would spoon feed the naysayers with a printout of various synthesis but I havent the means and posting links didnt work for me?Besides why do i need to spoonfeed the "experts"?

if you can't post links you are to stupid to make an HE.

if you don't have the means to spoon feed...WAIT...OMG... is that an admission that you don't have the knowledge necessary to type up a synth or post links to synths?

and it's not all making the material, it's making the material in a way that you will survive without harm.

[Hobbit Porn]

Originally Posted by Belgarion

Woo, flamefest! General Grim are you Australian or just know Australian pyrotechnicians? I always though the explosives industry was very small here.

There is a difference between the explosives industry and the pyrotechnics industry.

I don't know much about the actual pyrotechnics industry in Australia (I assuming its a fairly niche industry), but the explosives industry is huge due to the mining boom.

Sorry off topic, but just thought I'd let Belgarion know.

Now; flame on boys.