Dictionary

[icecool]

Okay for everyone to be everything a bit more clear the dictionairy for the people who can remember it from the old bombshock:

TCAP: TriCycloAcetonePeroxide
AP: AcetonePeroxide
ANNM: AmmoniumNitrate+NitroMethane
APAN: AcetonePeroxide+Ammoniumnitrate
NG: NitroGlycerin
PETN: Pentaerythritoltetranitrate
ETN: Erythritoltetranitrate
BP: BlackPowder
FP: Flashpowder
visco: Type of fuse, waterproof
RBF: Round Bottom Flask
FBF: Flat Bottom flask
PE: Pentaerythritol

[kbk]

I've got some for ya..

KNO3: Pottasium Nitrate
AN: Ammonium Nitrate
NC: Nitrocellulose
NS: Nitrostarch
TNP: Trinitrophenol
HMTD: Hexamethylenetriperoxidediamine (yeah thats from memory )
DCAP: Dicyclo Acetone Peroxide
TNT: Trinitrotoluene
TNX: Trinitroxylene
TNB: Trinitrobenzene
MNN: Mononitronapthaline

That's all for now..

[blank stare]

HMX = cyclotetramethylene-tetranitramine, it is called HMX for non-chemical related reasons if memory serves. Like High velocity Military eXplosive.

[icecool]

Okay WTF this wasn't the intention.
I could also start to write a whole bunch of formulas here and what there name is.
Like KCl = potassiumchloride etc etc etc
It is the intention to let the new guys know what we mean with simple things like AN and DCAP, TCAP etc etc.

[kbk]

Well sorry, I was just trying to help...I know when I first started I was confused by the formulas and stuff like that as well as what TCAP was and AN...

[Douchermann]

What the hell is with you spazzing out at every little thing, i don't know anyone that refers potassium nitrate by KN, but everyone that refers to it as KNO3, and nitric as HNO3.

[icecool]

That is just basic chemistry, if you are making fireworks or explosives.
That is really the least you should know.
If you are a chemist and you don't know what TCAP is okay fine that is just a term we use on bombshock, but HNO3 that is widely known.
And why I start spazzing out on every little thing, is because I want to prevent that bombshock will get a bad reputation.
Although I am not a moderator (no one is) I would like to keep the order and the forums clean (as I have been a moderator on the old bombshock).
Anyway I think that everyone would like that, that bombshock will get a high reputation and known as a knowledgable and usefull forum.
Insted of a k3wl forum, which only contains crap.
Bombshock really needs a harsh moderator which keeps it clean that's how I think about it.
And you just need to get used to that, if not there will be a lot of crap here and then when we're telling newbies search, they search and the only thing they will find is crap, and go to TOTSE or another forum.
Thus bombshock not growing etc etc.
Which is what we want, not to chat and drink tea and have a biscuit.
In short: I wanted to point out that it has no use to give the complete name of chemical formulas like of PETN or RDX since it doesn't really matter what the chemical name is and as for KNO3 etc it is just basic chemistry.
And seriously kbk, you have already made 120 posts already!!!
I can't imagine someone giving 120 posts of usefull information in that a short of time, not to be offencive, but post amount doesn't matter how much it is but it does matter what is in it.

[kbk]

I realize post count does not matter, I have been posting alot in General, and other sections besides just explosives..So I have posted alot of general nonsense as well as good information. When I first started all this I didn't know any chemistry, and I thought it would be nice for people to be able to come here and look things up to learn it..I do understand that was not your intent though..Sorry.

[Douchermann]

Bombshock already has a high reputation and the only way i've found into bombshock is a referal from another forum, which will have already bragged about bombshock. If you wanna call your potassium KN, go ahead. but im not changing. Everyone i know that isn't a pyro knows that KNO3 is potassium nitrate, but i've axed every single one of them if they have heard of KN and no one knows what it means. Im not trying to sit on one topic, im trying to provide an example, not that you are wrong, i wouldn't have said anything if you hadn't of started spazing out about the abbreviations i added. About the modderation comment, i agree we should get some, and i'll tell you what, if your up for election you get my vote. I've got nothing against you and i think you'll be a great mod, but you gotta have more leeniancy (however you spell it)

[blank stare]

The point is that you should know what they both mean if you're using it at all. There is no reason not to be clear about what you mean when you are dealing with potentially hazardous material. I refer to Potassium Nitrate as KN03, because that is the formula most people know. If you must use KN I don't care; I'm just glad you explained it so I won't be confused about what you mean.
So I can't condemn you for it, just don't get your undies in a bunch about other people not agreeing with you. Most people are on this site because most people don't agree with them right?

[Synchronium]

Originally Posted by Douchermann

If you wanna call your potassium KN, go ahead. but im not changing. Everyone i know that isn't a pyro knows that KNO3 is potassium nitrate, but i've axed every single one of them if they have heard of KN and no one knows what it means.

I agree. KN? Sounds like some kind of azo salt.

Also:

AP: AmmoniumPerchlorate
KP: PotassiumPerchlorate

AP is more often used to abbreviate acetone peroxide and KP? Who the hell uses that? Elements have been abbreviated to one or two letters to make things like this simpler, so instead of "KN" and "KP", I'd like people to start using the proper formulae. How much harder is it to write KClO4 or KNO3?

I have this horrible feeling that some people will read this page, find a recipe for some nice sparkly fountain requiring 100g of ammonium perchlorate, use acetone peroxide instead and kill someone.

I think I speak for everyone when I ask you to please remove those unspecific abbreviations (with the exception of AN).

Also Round Bottom Flask & Flat Bottom flask - That's pointless. Far too vague. Just write down the exact type of equipment you use, don't abbreviate it.

So, get rid of those couple of things please.

[icecool]

Excuse me but RBF and FBF are very much used abreviations in organic chemistry....
And okay about KP and AP you are right, but well I agree with you on that part but not on the flasks.
I especially agree on you to write the correct formula.
Like KClO4 etc.

[Douchermann]

I've been calling acetone peroxide "TCAP" though, just to work out on the abbreviations thing.

[K9]

If anyone wants to get technical then it should really be CTAP - cyclotri etc. as it is a cyclo molecule that is trimeric, not a cyclo molecules as tricyclo might imply.

[Douchermann]

Really? never knew that.... well anyway back on dictionary deffinitions. Another thing we should do:
APPN always means 50/50 mixture of AP and kno3, but PNAP always means greater than 50 on the kno3 (and same goes with APAN and PNAP)

[xpl0siv]

Nice healthy debate going on in here

[icecool]

Didn't you get my PM Xpl0siv?

[Jago]

ok, this will be stickied for future reference, or untill a propper dictionary is made, simply because of the arguing in this topic, which will cease now. This thread is like a "Glossary of Terms", but having said that, the terms must be correct and/or universally understood/accepted abbreviations.
anyway, just so im not completely useless:
FAE - Fuel Air Explosive (or are the cobwebs in my head getting control? :P )
:wink:

[donnie darko]

JUst to add my little bit in saying that if im going to be talking about potassium nitrate i would call it by its name instead of using the chemical abbreviations mainly because im not really a chem head and i only prefer to deal with the knowlodge of stuff and keep the chemical side at the side.

I am however getting back into the chemistry side of things but for the basic user i think things should be explain without a doubt easily with all chemical names in their fullest and all safety and other shite explain in full so no-one goes blowing themselves up

[Random]

Not everyone has a perfect memory - they can't always remember what chemicals have what type of symbols, or how much you should mix something with something else. That is why it is a good idea to have a handbook of sorts available, so you can take a look and refresh your memory when you need to do something you don't remember how to do.

I think that is what is being attempted, here - to create that handbook. So therefore technical details are justified, I think...

The above handbook thing applies across all technical things too, not just explosives...

[Widigo]

I should not walk out of a topic entitled "Dictionary" with more questions about abbreviations than I walked in with.

Why can't the real words be used. I understand we're all busy people, but those pesky few letters extra won't kill people as much as getting this stuff mixed up could. Not to mention that as a new commer I can't make heads or tails of half of this stuff when you use the words, much less when I have three diffrent and arguable sound definitions thrown at me for similar things.

*Steps off soap box*