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First off I would like to point out that I have searched but found no solid threads dedicated to the synthesis of HMTD, so that will be the focus of this thread. Also, I am not responsible for anything you do using the information I provide if you are not intelligent enough to handle explosives properly you deserve anything you get. HMTD, AP, and any other primaries should never be used as a main charge, there are many easy to make secondary explosives that are much safer and powerful. Before you think about making large amounts you should ask yourself *is making this amount of extremely sensitive explosive for a quick bang worth risking my life for?* If yes than you need to find another hobby.

Over the years I have looked over many primaries to use but have only considered 3 which were HMTD, Lead Styphnate, And DDNP. Unfortunatly for many the materials needed for Lead Styphnate and DDNP are hard to make and/or buy. However instead of resorting to AP there is always HMTD, just as easy to make as AP and much better in my opinion. I have collected much information in the past months about HMTD and have found many interesting things, for one it is less volatile than AP meaning HMTD can be stored rather safely without loss of performance or increased sensitivity. HMTD was even at one point considered for commercial use in blasting caps but it was a little to sensitive to produce for such use, however for us that is something that can be overcome with safe handling procedures and proper preparation of the explosive itself. Also the only drawback of HMTD is it's reactivity with metals, it reacts dangerously with all metals and may explode. There is no need for metal blasting caps anyway unless you like shrapnell being thrown at you.

Before I move on to the synthesis I will present some figures about some properties of HMTD and the velocity of detonation.
The molecular formula of HMTD is C6H12N2O6. The vdet is
4511 M/sec. @ 0.88 G/cc and 5100 M/sec. @ 1.10 G/cc. Compared to AP which is only 3750 M/sec @ 0.92 G/cc and 5300 M/sec @ 1.18 G/cc. At first it may seem that AP is more powerful but as you can see AP requires to be pressed quite more than HMTD to achieve it's max v.det which is extremely dangerous to attempt without proper equipment. Meaning slightly pressed HMTD will be more powerful than slightly pressed AP.

Being a peroxide it is still very sensitive (as most peroxides), but not on the same level as AP. This isn't to say HMTD is a wonderful perfect primary, it is still very sensitive and if you don't respect it you will pay dearly for your ignorance. Also another thing NEVER MAKE PUTTY EXPLOSIVES WITH HMTD! This includes any nitrocellulose based things such as smokeless powder. If you attempt this the HMTD will almost certainly detonate as the putty hardens. And in conclusion I warn anyone to never make more than 60g of this exposive, the same goes for AP which is even less forgiving.

Now that you have an idea of the power and sensitivity of HMTD we will move on to the synthesis. There is one mainly used synthesis for HMTD which uses citric acid, I personally suggest using HCl which is cheaper than citric and the HCl will evaporate as the HMTD dries.

First here is the synthesis for HMTD using citric acid. You can subsitute with any other concentration of hydrogen peroxide, such as if you are using 3% just add ten times as much to account for all the extra water. However lower concentration peroxide seems to produce worse yields than higher concentration. This synthesis is compiled mostly from my own experiences and what I have read, along with the synthesis from roguesci which I tweaked.

First measure out 50ml of 30% H2O2 and put it in the freezer until it's tempeature is at 0c to help keep the reaction cool. Next prepare an ice bath and set the beaker in it. Now you will need 14g of hexamine which can be purchased cheaply online or from buying hexamine fuel tablets at camping stores. Slowly add the hexamine to the H2O2 and keep it below 10c or preferably at or under 5c. It will take some stirring and such to dissolve all the hexamine but be patient.
Once this has mostly dissolved measure out 21g of powdered citric acid. You can begin adding the acid slowly and keep the temperature below 10c or you risk yield loss and possibly a runaway. Once this has been added stirr for a few minutes and place in a freezer if availible or keep it in a ice bath for 3 hours. You may or may not see crystals forming, either way move the solution into a refrigerator or a cool water bath for around 2 hours (I put mine in the refrigerator over night for better yields). You should see a white precipitate and this is HMTD. Filter the solution and wash with water until you are sure it's neutral (very important!) you should also wash with a bicarb solution.

The yield will vary depending on what concentration the H2O2 is, how low the temperture was kept during the reaction, and how long you leave it in the freezer and refrigerator. Normally you will get good yields when using 30% H2O2.

Next is the synthesis using HCl (what I use).
The synthesis is exactly the same as the one using citric acid exept you would use 20g of Hexamine, 60ml of 30% H2O2, and 35ml of ~30% HCl. If your HCl is ~20% concentration you should use about 45ml to ensure complete reaction.

Here is a picture of what mine looks like after sitting overnight in the refrigerator (I used the exact same synthesis as described above):


I hope you have found this informative and useful, it took alot of time to write all this and research everything. I will soon have a video up demonstrating the properties of HMTD and maybe even a small detonation video. If there is any confusion or questions about the synthesis and such please feel free to ask me about it.

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Very nice! A little earlier in your post you say "Meaning slightly pressed HMTD will be more powerful than slightly pressed AP. Being a peroxide it is still very sensitive, but not on the same level as AP." Don't you mean slightly pressed HMTD will be more powerful than fully compressed AP?" And a little safer as well like you said. I'm going to have to get some hexamine and try it for myself. I might have a new favorite primary on my hands. Have you read about HMTD reacting with any types of metals or anything at all for that fact? Might be good to include in this thread so people might have a idea of what to use as a casing that is safest.
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No, fully compressed AP is slightly more powerful than HMTD but like I said good luck compressing the AP without accident. Most people dare not compress AP that much thus it doesn't reach it's full v.det, with HMTD you don't need to press it very hard to get all the power out of it.
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my camping sources dont have camphor anymore. (hexamine)
they use parrafin instead. i have about 7 grams left of hexamine, but i cant use it.

i heard of a reaction scheme with formalin and ammonia....
any other stores selling it would be useful.
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Well hexamine can be easily made with ammonia and formaldehyde, or you can just buy it online.
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i heard of that. but even formalin is hard to get. might check by at the coroners some time xD
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Yeah, I never bothered making it as I can buy it cheaply. Not to mention it is a cancerogen.
I hear some places sell it as cleaner/disinfectant but I'm not 100% sure.
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I hear some places sell it as cleaner/disinfectant but I'm not 100% sure.
Yep. The only place I've ever found it is in a holding tank deodorant. It is very impure though. It's got some kind of perfume, methanol of course, a horrid blue dye, possibly a detergent, and who knows what else. It works for hexamine if you don't mind recrystallizing and washing though.
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It smells kinda "fishy".. litterally.. It also has a picture of a dead fish on the container haha. It's said to be a cause of nasalpharyngeal carcinomes but if I remember well, thats for people that work with it daily without required protection.. I've also posted the synth for Hex multiple times. think Or in the RDX thread, or in an HMTD thread..
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I attempted a synth of HMTD and as the title suggest I failed.

I took some Esbit fuel tablets containing methamine (or something like that, which the internet told me is the same as Hexamine) I then powdered the stuff and boiled it over the stove so I could extract the wax binder. I finished that and got what I think was the right stuff, it burned like the fuel tablets did and I removed a lot of wax.

I then mixed it with 500 mL of 3% H2O2, equal to the 50 ml of 30% H2O2 that you used. I then mixed in the appropriate amount of citric acid that you suggested in your recipe.

The temperature never rose and it ended up freezing when it put it in the freezer, probably cuz this freezer is kept very cold and H2O2 freezes at -2 C* but with 97% water it probably froze at about 0.

What did I do wrong?
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Well first off you must account for all that extra water you will be adding to the reaction using 3% H2O2 so you should try adding more citric acid.
Also do not expect great yields with 3% H2O2.
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I figured I was missing something.
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I like to add here that unlike AP, HMTD will ignite less easy when damp.. This stuff has to be WELL dried or else you'll have spend hours digging a nice hole in your blasting field, having heartbeats race to 140, dragging 2 kg's of AN out there oll da way, all for nothing. Nothing sucks more than a click without a thunder following..
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Hey guys sorry if this is a stupid quiestion but can you just use plain bleach from the supermarket as your h2o2. (i dont have a credit card so i cant purchase it from the internet).
Also just in case i cant get any hexamine tablets is there a good substitute for them.
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I have a few questions that I need help with.

1) Can I use 35% h2o2? Is there a benefit to using the 35% higher concentration over the 30%?

2) How many blasting caps are needed to fully det. a large amount of hmtd? For example 1-15lbs in a single container.

3) What kind of containers for detonation do you recommend for hmtd?

4) Using the synthesis above(50ml h2o2/14g hexamine/21g citric acid) how many grams of final product have you yielded?

Thank you in advance for any help.
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Well here let me help you out buddy!
1) You are a kewl
2) You must have not read the part about HMTD being very sensitive and dangerous, that doesn't suprise me though.
3) Why the fuck do you think you need a blasting cap to set off HMTD? It is meant for blasting caps you idiot.
4) Please do try and make 15lbs of HMTD, maybe you will make it 1/4 of the way before you find your self a pink mist splattered everywhere.
5) I'm pretty sure all of your questions were answered in the OP as well.
6) That is the one of the most idiotic posts I have ever read, and I have seen ALOT of idiotic posts.

I regret making this thread, I should've known that here it would just lead to a spoonfeed fest filled with idiots like you and joyrider who can't be bothered to research even the simplest things. At least it got some decent discussion at the beginning.
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Well here let me help you out buddy!
1) You are a kewl
2) You must have not read the part about HMTD being very sensitive and dangerous, that doesn't suprise me though.
3) Why the fuck do you think you need a blasting cap to set off HMTD? It is meant for blasting caps you idiot.
4) Please do try and make 15lbs of HMTD, maybe you will make it 1/4 of the way before you find your self a pink mist splattered everywhere.
5) I'm pretty sure all of your questions were answered in the OP as well.
6) That is the one of the most idiotic posts I have ever read, and I have seen ALOT of idiotic posts.

I regret making this thread, I should've known that here it would just lead to a spoonfeed fest filled with idiots like you and joyrider who can't be bothered to research even the simplest things. At least it got some decent discussion at the beginning.

My bad didnt read through the thread properly and i should of looked it up
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Yeah, I never bothered making it as I can buy it cheaply. Not to mention it is a cancerogen.
I hear some places sell it as cleaner/disinfectant but I'm not 100% sure.

Is this the thread you wanted me to see AgentApoc? Did you mean to say Carcinogen? I don't think cancerogen is a real word... not in this world...
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Then again he did take the efford to look up and review the whole hmtd synth..

You two STOP bitchfighting.
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