ammonium nitrate transportation.

willi-wurm · #1 (**permalink**) 07-16-2009, 12:24 PM

im on a trip with my friends, and i have about 1 kilo of ammonium nitrate i bought here for cheap. im really scared, as the transportation is through the swiss border. if they have nitrogen detectors, i will show them the ammonium nitrate containing coolpack i brought incase they ask.

i was thinking of transporting it in a solution... would that make sense?

i know its risky, but the AN is the only source of nitrogen in that form that i have. germany is tight with restrictions, they even banned pure AN fertilizer and KNO3 stump remover.

also, is it dangerous? i mean, if there were an accident, it could get mixed with petrol, but there is no detonation device, so im not sure. also, should i put it in the back?

thanks, will

MurderSkillz · #2 (**permalink**) 07-16-2009, 09:43 PM

If anything I would try to make it look like home made cold packs? So incase you go through and they do have a nitro detector you can say well I am using it for cold packs. My legs and ankles have been swelling up for the past week. Have one on your leg when you go through. That is if you are that worried.

willi-wurm · #3 (**permalink**) 07-16-2009, 10:10 PM

the coldpacks i have say they are also for serious insect bites, and i look like there was a guy with an hungrymosquito launcher following me : D so ill use that. but do you think i should carry it as a solution?

MurderSkillz · #4 (**permalink**) 07-17-2009, 01:32 AM

The one on your leg yes. Have it cold when going through. You are not wasting it seeing it is just a AN solution and can be boiled down to use for what you want.

willi-wurm · #5 (**permalink**) 07-17-2009, 09:01 AM

...like making more coldpacks xDD

thanks for the help (:

MurderSkillz · #6 (**permalink**) 07-17-2009, 11:19 AM

No problem. Tell us how the trip goes.

X-ray Cat · #7 (**permalink**) 07-27-2009, 07:01 PM

There are people smuggling packs of cocaine out there buddy. Dont think you'll get in any trouble carying or transporting a for as far as I know in every single country legal chemical (this doesn't mean you can buy it over the counter everywhere though)

EDIT:
this is ofcourse a different story when traveling by airplane, they don't allow you do bring oxidizers without strict regulations. Transporting over the border should be pretty legal, or in the outermost worst case: a very low penalty.

MurderSkillz · #8 (**permalink**) 07-27-2009, 09:05 PM

Idk. I say at least have a backup plan just in case. So if he does get pulled over and they ask what are you doing with all of this AN he isn't gonna be like

idk? Someone that knows what AN could do would probably start asking a lot of questions. I say have a backup plan whether the chances are high or not. It can happen.

X-ray Cat · #9 (**permalink**) 07-29-2009, 01:03 AM

yea, anything xept for saying it's for making an explosive should work, lol.. Even if you say it's for chemistry they shouldn't be able to take it from you.

shetlan · #10 (**permalink**) 07-29-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by X-ray Cat

Even if you say it's for chemistry they shouldn't be able to take it from you.

And yet, they can - and they probably will.

Willi-wurm,

Transporting it in a solution doesn't change the illegality of the substance, nor would it stop nitrogen detectors from sensing it.

Also, "showing them" a cold pack when a nitrogen sensor goes off is one seriously dumb move. Offering it as a reason the detector went off is just an admission that you knew it contained AN.

Beyond that, try explaining having 10 coldpacks worth of loose AN (or AN in a solution). Claiming that you where going to make cold packs with it isn't going to fly.

Save yourself a hell of alot of trouble and mail it to yourself.

willi-wurm · #11 (**permalink**) 07-29-2009, 09:50 AM

well, i got it over and its fine, they didnt stop or nothing (:

AN is illegal here if you dont have a reason for using it that is sensible. you can buy a maximum of 7 grams for chemistry kit refills, for a REALLY high price. germany is alot tougher with the legislations on explosives and home chemistry.

i took the coldpack with me incase he asks me something along the lines of 'do you know why the nitrogen detector detected so many nitrates when your car drove by?

also, powders are generally suspicious, thats why i didnt mail it, as if they see the powder, and cant find out what it is, they confiscate it. when they find out why i sent myself ammonium nitrate, they could get a bit suspicious.

makeyouall · #12 (**permalink**) 08-06-2009, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by shetlan

And yet, they can - and they probably will.

Willi-wurm,

Transporting it in a solution doesn't change the illegality of the substance, nor would it stop nitrogen detectors from sensing it.

Also, "showing them" a cold pack when a nitrogen sensor goes off is one seriously dumb move. Offering it as a reason the detector went off is just an admission that you knew it contained AN.

Beyond that, try explaining having 10 coldpacks worth of loose AN (or AN in a solution). Claiming that you where going to make cold packs with it isn't going to fly.

Save yourself a hell of alot of trouble and mail it to yourself.

No,put it in water solution ,it won't explote even you detenate it with a No.8 caps,when it's with 30% water,it won't be detanated by anymeans

makeyouall · #13 (**permalink**) 08-06-2009, 05:14 AM

Carefully packed the powder in a plastic bottle,seel it with Wax(be sure no leak of it in anywhere),and take a shower of your self,and wrap it with plastic bag again,or put in a river for one week,and after one week,their won't be much Nitrogen left in your hands or anywhere,

MurderSkillz · #14 (**permalink**) 08-06-2009, 06:40 AM

What are you doing...?

shetlan · #15 (**permalink**) 08-06-2009, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makeyouall

No,put it in water solution ,it won't explote even you detenate it with a No.8 caps,when it's with 30% water,it won't be detanated by anymeans

When did I say it would? For that matter, what did that post have to do with anything!?

willi-wurm · #16 (**permalink**) 08-06-2009, 05:19 PM

the ONLY reason why i thought transporting it in a solution would be so it looks like something familiar. seeing a bottle full of powder can be suspicious for the experienced few.

well, i got through fine. didnt even stop and search. we did take the scenic route though, and it took ages. thanks for the help.