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Old 10-20-2009, 02:04 AM
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* i know there is a thread for this but my question is more specific and need hard chemistry for this....

i want to make nitric acid above 70% ( which i have 2.5 litres of) but since its at an azeotrope im screwed. I also have 5 litres of H2SO4 so that is not a big factor either.

The KNO3 method works, but uses up costly KNO3 so i came up with using Cu(II) nitrate. But after researching i found that that no one has ever attemped to make nitric acid via this way:
This way is very efficent comparing that 1 mole of Cu(NO3)2 makes 2 moles HNO3 and 1 mole of Cu(NO3)2 = 187.56 grams compared to 1 mole of KNO3 which only makes 1 mole of HNO3 and weighs at 101.103 grams per mole, thus being a lot more effeiciant.

Cu(NO3)2 + H2SO4 --> 2HNO3 + CuSO4
KNO3 + H2SO4 ---> HNO3 + KHSO4
which makes up 2 moles of HNO3 without having to use cotsly potassium nitrate. The only problem is, since no reactions have been recoreded i cant tell if this will not work, and if the 2 end products will react. SO, i need your help to decide wheter or not his will work...
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Any nitrate salt should work. Slight problem might be in dissolving the salts but even then it should work fine..
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You can purify 70% nitric acid by distilling it with sulfuric acid which dehydrates the water off.

And yes copper nitrate may be used but the moles of copper weigh more, but the question is do you have an easy access to copper nitrate, it would help it being anhydrous.
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im suprised that your using copper nitrate, expected it to be more expensive. id suggest calcium nitrate, which is dirt cheap.
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I'm having trouble with my distill set up as my retort doesn't seem to promote the condensing process, does anybody else use a retort and have these problems, I can post a couple pictures if that helps.
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Cool the retord with ice.
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I added a ice pack around the neck but a fair bit of it was forming around the sides of the sphere and dripping back into the acid/nitrate mix.
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That always happens.. Might considder filling the sphere less and tilting the retord a bit to favor the outflow into your collecting beaker.
Still the refluxing of the nitric doesn't matter that much.. in time it will always distill over to your beaker..
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Ok I finally had the time to upload these, so any help?

I have about 8 more on different angles if that helps.
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Like i said, cool the tube connecting the two flasks with sacks of ice.
Plus it looks like your setup is closed.. Don't close it unless you're using vacuum. If you'll heat your setup when it is closed you'll build up pressure. Thereby you'll also increase boilingpoints and nothing will happen. open the setup
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I did that, and it isn't closed the retort just rests inside the flask with about a 1 cm gap all around it.
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