Surviving a holocaust

[ibmw22]

You're sitting down watching TV when an emergency broadcast comes on. It's saying that North Korea got a hold on some Nuclear bombs and they are threatening to launch them all over the world. You've spent some time gathering up some stuff incase this ever happened, so you get both of your friends, and you run to your closet. In there, you have a primary gun and a secondary gun, plus a backpack full of supplies. You arm up and get ready for the worst-case scenario.

So in the event of something like that, what would the 3 primary and 3 secondary gun be, and what equipment would you have in your pack just in case there would be some traveling involved. Don't list any primarys like a minigun or barrett 50 cal. unless you're stupid.

My answer-
prim.1- M16A1
sec.1- Glock 9mm
prim.2- MP7
sec.2- SPAS shotgun
prim.3- Dragunov SVD
sec.3- Makarov

Equipment-
x3 flashlights
x21 C-rations
x10 battery packs
x2 large med. kits
x3 sleeping bags
x1 picklocking kit
x6 syringes of morphine

[shetlan]

1: There's no reason to have any primary weapon beyond an AR-15 (with assorted caliber conversions) or an AK-47.

2: Additioanlly, there's no reason to have a secondary weapon beyond a Beretta 92fs or a weapon of the MAC series.

When people prepare for a worst case scenario, they consistently forget one of the most important aspects of survival "repair and replace".

Case in point:
Where do you expect to get the parts to repair a broken MP7, or a SPAS, or a Dragonov, or a Mararov?
For that matter, where are you going to get more ammo for an MP7 - which fires a non-standard 4.6x30mm round?
Where would you get ammo for the Dragonov - which fires the non-standard 7.62x54mmR?
What about the Mararov - which fires 9x18 Makarov round.

None of these weapons are sensible choices.

The M-16 and AR-15 are the standard weapon type for US forces, hence repairs and replacement parts would be easy to find. The standard ammunition (5.56 NATO) for said weapon would also be in great supply.

Conversly, the AK-47 requires little or no maintenance, and replacement parts are almost never required. The rounds aren't a US standard, but given the rifle's popularity, they shouldn't be hard to get.

As sidearms go, the Beretta 92fs is the US military and law enforcement standard (Military version is called the M9). Given their popularity and mass use replacement parts would be plentiful.

The MAC series of weapons is just the opposite, but they have the distinction of being insanely cheap and easy to repair.
Beretta 92fs's and many MACs both use the 9mm luger round, so ammo and magazines wouldn't be an issue.

[crazy white guy]

Carrying six weapons is very impractical.

Primary: Any of the latest M16/ar15 models in .223

Reason= Ammo is lightweight for the power, its a very versatile weapon in the fact that a simple barrel change can change it between CQB and long range applications. Their double stack 30rnd mags are small and easy to carry compared to AK mags. They are stunningly accurate and with maintenance every second day wont shit out.

Secondary: Springfield armory XD40 or a glock sport of full size 9mm

Reason: both are reliable, both 9mm ammo which will never be difficult to find or make using spent brass. XD40 has a 20+1 round capacity without extended mag and glock has 19+1 with extended mag. That would be useful because mags are easier to carry than boxes of ammo and a long reload time often means death during combat. The glock sport with a tight barrel twist is accurate at ~200yards(man-sized target for a good shot)

Last resort/utility:

It would be a combination of a good multi-tool (stainless steel), A fixed blade sport knife such as a ka-bar and a saw that in my area is often called a jap saw. Its a flat bladed flush cut saw that can do flush cuts and cross/rip cuts. Its very useful and is easily sharpened.

How they would be carried:

The rifle would be on a sling on the back with either a quick unlocking clip or just a weak link. The pistol would be in a holster. Multi -tool would just be on a belt clip and the Dagger/ka-bar would be on the chest either on a vest or a backpack shoulder cross strap.

I am pretty sure these things would not last forever. I would stash things like ammo, weapons and parts whenever I come across them. I would do things like keep a record of stash locations. I would try to keep one grenade around but its usually impractical and dangerous to do so.

[bloodlusta]

I would just go with a bolt action hunting rifle (.308). Very easy to clean and maintain. .308 most common round in my country and I would only use it for hunting really. I cant see the point of a sidearm. (personally)

[_Th0r_]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

I would just go with a bolt action hunting rifle (.308). Very easy to clean and maintain. .308 most common round in my country and I would only use it for hunting really. I cant see the point of a sidearm. (personally)

Point of a sidearm?

Back-up, 'cause you never know when it, being the bolt action, will fuck up.

I'm not going to bother listing such an example since it's situation specific and all that crap, yadda, yadda, ya.

Simply a 9MM should suffice if you are going to carry a sidearm.

Carry a rifle you can shoot at long ranges with kills the need for a Dragunov. As well as that carrying a Glock kills the need for a Makarov since people in the past have put hundreds of thousands of rounds through a Glock with little damage to the firearm and with few cock-up's.

If it were me I'd carry an AK or an AR, but most likely the latter for the reason CWG suggested.

As for gear, a decent wind-up flashlight will suffice. Batteries might be a pain in the arse to get hold of and you have no idea how frequently you'll be using the searchlight or anything else which require batteries. With either no, or an approximate idea of the frequency of use you can't trust X number of batteries to cover your arse.

Taking 'friends' with you too.

Fuck off!

You'll see when it's either you or them the tables will turn very quickly.

[ibmw22]

Originally Posted by shetlan

1: There's no reason to have any primary weapon beyond an AR-15 (with assorted caliber conversions) or an AK-47.

2: Additioanlly, there's no reason to have a secondary weapon beyond a Beretta 92fs or a weapon of the MAC series.

When people prepare for a worst case scenario, they consistently forget one of the most important aspects of survival "repair and replace".

Case in point:
Where do you expect to get the parts to repair a broken MP7, or a SPAS, or a Dragonov, or a Mararov?
For that matter, where are you going to get more ammo for an MP7 - which fires a non-standard 4.6x30mm round?
Where would you get ammo for the Dragonov - which fires the non-standard 7.62x54mmR?
What about the Mararov - which fires 9x18 Makarov round.

None of these weapons are sensible choices.

The M-16 and AR-15 are the standard weapon type for US forces, hence repairs and replacement parts would be easy to find. The standard ammunition (5.56 NATO) for said weapon would also be in great supply.

Conversly, the AK-47 requires little or no maintenance, and replacement parts are almost never required. The rounds aren't a US standard, but given the rifle's popularity, they shouldn't be hard to get.

As sidearms go, the Beretta 92fs is the US military and law enforcement standard (Military version is called the M9). Given their popularity and mass use replacement parts would be plentiful.

The MAC series of weapons is just the opposite, but they have the distinction of being insanely cheap and easy to repair.
Beretta 92fs's and many MACs both use the 9mm luger round, so ammo and magazines wouldn't be an issue.

Yeah you're right. I guess I wanted too much of the exotic shit.

[m1kbee]

Originally Posted by crazy white guy

How they would be carried:

The rifle would be on a sling on the back with either a quick unlocking clip or just a weak link. The pistol would be in a holster. Multi -tool would just be on a belt clip and the Dagger/ka-bar would be on the chest either on a vest or a backpack shoulder cross strap.
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Have a read of Brave Two Zero. Your Rifle should be in your hands with the butt against your shoulder so it can be brought up to fire instantly.
I have always found a sling too awkward for practical use as it takes too long to bring it round into a firing position. SAS training has each man carrying their weapon (SA80 usually) ready to be used.

An axe would also be a handy addition as well as fire making stuff.

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by m1kbee

Have a read of Brave Two Zero. Your Rifle should be in your hands with the butt against your shoulder so it can be brought up to fire instantly.

For an active warzone, that's appropriate. It's not appropriate for this scenario.

Originally Posted by m1kbee

I have always found a sling too awkward for practical use as it takes too long to bring it round into a firing position. SAS training has each man carrying their weapon (SA80 usually) ready to be used.

Using a cross sling would allow the rifle to hang diagonally across your chest (with the butt near your shoulder). This would allow you to carry the weapon in a "fire-ready" position and still use your hands freely.