who is winning in Iraq

[Steve_TPF]

Originally Posted by FerretBone

Actually it was worth it because this time I will not have to came back.

I don't see why you had to go in the first place. Iraq was no threat to the U.S. What happened to the WMD's/45-minute-deployment/ massive-threat-to-the-free-world? It didn't exist. The ease with which Iraq was overrun proved that. Keeping the peace on the other hand was always going to be mission impossible because terrorist cells are a lot harder to find than regular army units, who have large bases and are helpful enough to wear uniforms. I'm not surprised it's taken this long to get things quiet. That was never going to happen untill the everyday Iraqi stopped sympathising with the "insurgents" and started working with you. But I digress.
In short, why bother in the first place? There are plenty of places that are begging for foreign intervention, like Zimbabwe, about which the U.S does nothing. Why? No oil.

Agreed you seem to be winning now, but at what cost? All those US soldiers dead, and hundreds of billions wasted just to "free" a population that neither you, nor any other american gives a shit about. If Iraq had suddenly been completely destroyed in an earthquake you would have laughed.

[jrly]

You are being so fucking hypocritical.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

I'm not going to torture people and beat the shit out of them, if for no other reason than it’s a pencil dick thing to do. Hitting people that are zip tied, boring.
I know I'm better than these stone age, third world, monkeys who can't even adjust the sites on their AKMs properly. We are professional and I serve a recognized republic, not some hijacked, perverse, interpretation of an already retarded, flawed religion.
Although I'll have to admit, I can very easily see finishing off a Terrorist with two shots to the head as an extremely professional act.

So you are willing to go and fight for democracy, and yet you still call the people there monkeys and would have no remorse for killing an enemy. You call someone else's religion retarded and flawed, but just fuck me if I see that I am against the war and you bitch at me pointing out that you are fighting in a war that can never be won, the "war on terror". So fucking forgive for voicing my opion to a soldier that is fucking batshit insane and likes nothing more than to go and fight for a country and its people that he fucking hates and is more than happy to shoot dead. And the only reason you don't beat the shit outa prisioners is because it is boring, not because it is immoral, you are so completely fucked up. Almost any soldier fighting would have my respect, but someone with views like yours just disgust me and are exactly why this country is getting so fucked up.

[FerretBone]

At first I thought you were an asshole, now I can tell you just a whining moron.

So you are willing to go and fight for democracy, and yet you still call the people there monkeys and would have no remorse for killing an enemy.

You started out with nothing Jack, and it's been down hill from there. So fighting for democracy means I can’t call someone who eats rotten fruit and stands in their own shit a monkey? Maybe you would feel different if you’ed talked to someone who has been to Iraq and seen the way these brainless dirt people live. Oh wait! You are.
You got one thing right though Jack, I feel no remorse for killing a dirt eating HajI who blows up a Stryker full of friends who are dropping off loads of blankets and “foot balls“ to ungrateful kids, or a snake that smiled in my face then takes pop shots at me after I turned my back while handing out water and heaters to a small town. We caught that asshole the same day, and after we brought him to our FOB he had, shit his pants, pissed all over the Stryker, and begged our turp to let him go. Yeah a real tough guy that chicken shit was.
I know you didn’t have the time or guts to come here and see this shit for yourself. And hay that’s fine, more power to ya. But do these idiots sound like the kind of people worth wasting your time back home to defend? If so, you’re an idiot.

I don't see why you had to go in the first place. Iraq was no threat to the U.S. What happened to the WMD's/45-minute-deployment/ massive-threat-to-the-free-world? It didn't exist. The ease with which Iraq was overrun proved that. Keeping the peace on the other hand was always going to be mission impossible because terrorist cells are a lot harder to find than regular army units, who have large bases and are helpful enough to wear uniforms. I'm not surprised it's taken this long to get things quiet. That was never going to happen untill the everyday Iraqi stopped sympathising with the "insurgents" and started working with you. But I digress.
In short, why bother in the first place? There are plenty of places that are begging for foreign intervention, like Zimbabwe, about which the U.S does nothing. Why? No oil.

Agreed you seem to be winning now, but at what cost? All those US soldiers dead, and hundreds of billions wasted just to "free" a population that neither you, nor any other

There is so much of your Patented Stoopid™ here, sorry I hardly finished reading it without uncontrollable laughter. Are you still on the "why were you there in the first place " rants. It's been five fucking years already. Get over it. We are at time now, now. I don't have time to worry about old shit like that anymore.
I’ve been fighting the global war on terrorism the last 18 hours straight, What did you do today?
America has been fighting everyone elses battles and cleaning up messes for well over a century now. Yet Europeans have not had to pick up a weapon since WW2. I have never even heard of Zimbabwe. Why the fuck would I want to go there? I think we have better shit to do than fix yet another counrties( Zimbabwe) mess.
why is it so hard for you to say anything possitive about anything we have done here in Iraq? Are you telling me in your little head there is nothing good coming from any of this shit we've accomplished here?

[Thelasttrueone]

FerretBone I respect you as a soldier that has risked his life for his country. Sadly angry brits don't even though you are fighting for them as much as for us (maybe more). The Iraq war may not do much for Iraqis but it funnels terrorists into one spot where we can kill them away from our own civilians. Keeps them focused on one spot where we can fight them and not a single American civilian or ungrateful brit will come into the line of fire. I mean if you were a terrorist, why waste time setting up an operation in America when you can go to Iraq?

[Vallen]

So your saying that people from 3rd world countries don't count?
IF the terrorist came to America it would help them out tremendously. All they have to do is take 1000 men and some weapons and march right into a state capital or other major city. It would cause more panic then 9/11.

[Steve_TPF]

Originally Posted by FerretBone

There is so much of your Patented Stoopid™ here, sorry I hardly finished reading it without uncontrollable laughter. Are you still on the "why were you there in the first place " rants. It's been five fucking years already. Get over it. We are at time now, now. I don't have time to worry about old shit like that anymore.

You are risking your life in a country you evidently hate, but don't care about the reasons you are there? It's been five years because the Bush administration didn't have any plan for getting out. As for "getting over it", it doesn't affect me one way or another. I don't particularly care about the iraqis, or you. I simply asked you why you thought the invasion was worth it. Interestingly you haven't managed to come up with any solid reason.

Originally Posted by FerretBone

I’ve been fighting the global war on terrorism the last 18 hours straight,

No you haven't. You have been blowing holes in a crappy mid-eastern country that was no threat to you or anyone else before you invaded. The current war has made no contribution to anyone's safety.

Originally Posted by FerretBone

What did you do today?

I went to work making refridgerators. Which means I have directly contributed to the comfortable lifestyle enjoyed by most australians. You on the other hand have accomplished nothing.

Originally Posted by FerretBone

America has been fighting everyone elses battles and cleaning up messes for well over a century now. Yet Europeans have not had to pick up a weapon since WW2.

Evidently you have never heard of Bosnia, Croatia, Chechnya, Hungary or Kosovo. Perhaps when you said Europeans you meant the French? Besides, no-one asked you to go to Iraq. It wasn't anyone else's battle.

Originally Posted by FerretBone

I have never even heard of Zimbabwe. Why the fuck would I want to go there? I think we have better shit to do than fix yet another counrties( Zimbabwe) mess.

Why would you want to go to Iraq? Surely you could have found better things to do with all those billions of dollars. Fixing your social security and health systems for example. Zimbabwe, since you appear to be completely ignorant, is an african nation that is currently suffering a crippling economic and food crisis, brought on by the self-serving policies of a corrupt government. Unlike Iraq, Zimbabwe would welcome some foreign intervention. If you insist on invading someone, why not go where you might actually be wanted?

Originally Posted by FerretBone

why is it so hard for you to say anything possitive about anything we have done here in Iraq? Are you telling me in your little head there is nothing good coming from any of this shit we've accomplished here?

Because so far you have acomplished SFA. You have killed thousands of iraqi civilians to remove one dictator, who wasn't altogether hated anyway. The invasion of Iraq hasn't helped international security, or prevented terrorism. Anyone who really wants to hurt the US, (or any other nation), will travel there. BTW Afghanistan isn't doing that well after your "help". Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Before you reply, consider the following:

1: This forum is dedicated to intelligent discussion. So far you have contributed little.

2. You evidently feel entitled to express your own opinion, yet do not consider that other people have a right to do so. In this you are wrong.

3. Every time someone has expressed an opinion, or asked you a question you have responded with insults, not rational argument. This mindless agression may serve you well in Iraq but it does you no good here. I am forced to conclude that in addition to your evident personality disorder you lack the intelligence to engage in actual debate. If you cannot provide a reasonable response then think a little more, or admit you don't have anything to say. Which brings me to:

4: Grow up or stay off the forum.

[jrly]

Originally Posted by FerretBone

You started out with nothing Jack, and it's been down hill from there. So fighting for democracy means I can’t call someone who eats rotten fruit and stands in their own shit a monkey? Maybe you would feel different if you’ed talked to someone who has been to Iraq and seen the way these brainless dirt people live. Oh wait! You are.

Do you think they enjoy living in filth and their own shit? They have to eat the rotten fruit to survive so why don't you just shut the fuck up. Oh, just so you that the kids who have a fat stomach over there it is from starvation not cause they are fat. Yeah these people are so brainless, let's forget that they came up with the current mathematical system and were the inventors of modern medicine, look at that forgotten. LETS GO KILL THOSE BRAINLESS MONKEYS!

Originally Posted by FerretBone

America has been fighting everyone elses battles and cleaning up messes for well over a century now. Yet Europeans have not had to pick up a weapon since WW2. I have never even heard of Zimbabwe. Why the fuck would I want to go there? I think we have better shit to do than fix yet another counrties( Zimbabwe) mess.
why is it so hard for you to say anything possitive about anything we have done here in Iraq? Are you telling me in your little head there is nothing good coming from any of this shit we've accomplished here?

And what has intervening in conflicts like Vietnam and Korea gotten the US: Getting the rest of the world to think that the US is a stuck up country that should mind its own business. The only real reason that the US went into Iraq was for oil and that is exactly why the US doesn't give a shit about Zimbabwe, Kenya, and only has just begun to care about Darfur because people have been making noise about it.

And as Steve said learn your fucking history.

[Steve_TPF]

Not strictly "who is winning", but I didn't want to start another thread.

The cost of the Iraq war has now reached over $450 billion in direct costs.

The indirect costs, (including welfare and medical support for injured soldiers), are estimated to be more then $3 trillion, and are a contributer to, if not cause of, the economic slowdown in the US.

Originally Posted by The Australian

The Iraq war has cost the US 50-60 times more than the Bush administration predicted and was a central cause of the sub-prime banking crisis threatening the world economy, according to Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

The former World Bank vice-president yesterday said the war had, so far, cost the US something like $US3trillion ($3.3 trillion) compared with the $US50-$US60-billion predicted in 2003.

Australia also faced a real bill much greater than the $2.2billion in military spending reported last week by Australian Defence Force chief Angus Houston, Professor Stiglitz said, pointing to higher oil prices and other indirect costs of the wars.

Professor Stiglitz told the Chatham House think tank in London that the Bush White House was currently estimating the cost of the war at about $US500 billion, but that figure massively understated things such as the medical and welfare costs of US military servicemen.

The war was now the second-most expensive in US history after World War II and the second-longest after Vietnam, he said.

The spending on Iraq was a hidden cause of the current credit crunch because the US central bank responded to the massive financial drain of the war by flooding the American economy with cheap credit.

"The regulators were looking the other way and money was being lent to anybody this side of a life-support system," he said.

That led to a housing bubble and a consumption boom, and the fallout was plunging the US economy into recession and saddling the next US president with the biggest budget deficit in history, he said.

The US senate has passed a resolution to divide Iraq on ethnic lines in the hope of reducing sectarian violence.

This would appear to be an admission that Iraq cannot function as a united country.

[FerretBone]

Edited: to spare Steve’s feelings

You are risking your life in a country you evidently hate, but don't care about the reasons you are there? It's been five years because the Bush administration didn't have any plan for getting out. As for "getting over it", it doesn't affect me one way or another. I don't particularly care about the iraqis, or you. I simply asked you why you thought the invasion was worth it. Interestingly you haven't managed to come up with any solid reason.

“but don't care about the reasons you are there? “

Who are you talking too kitten, Me? If you are then you have the attention span of a fruit-fly. I do hate this shithole, but I don’t see how anything we’ve discussed would led you to think I never cared why I was here.
I don’t want to see any fucking holy battles fought on US soil on their terms. So I’m fighting this so called war HERE in this dusty shithole. Whether or not we hand out food and soccer balls to ungrateful little backstabbers in Iraq effects me none back home. It just so happens to be part of the job here. But it has yet to accomplish anything. It’s a proven waste of time, and cuts into my reason for being here. To stay alive and to fight these terriost on non-US soil. Your Goddam right I don’t give a shit about these dirt kickers.

“Interestingly?” Interestingly I do think I’ve managed to explain my views to your “simply asked’ question. Go back a few post and try again. What? My response wasn’t elaborate enough for you? I told you, we now have Concerned Local Citizens (or Son’s Of Iraq). I told you briefly my opinion. Now you merely seek to ridicule. For that is all you can do, and the reason all your are worth is insults.
Maybe when you quit putting words in my mouth and trying to piss me off with a bunch of off-topic nonsense we can go further.


[quote[No you haven't. You have been blowing holes in a crappy mid-eastern country that was no threat to you or anyone else before you invaded. The current war has made no contribution to anyone's safety.[quote]

You still are ignoring the fact that I’m killing people here in iraq, not back home in say Texas. And it’s really all I care bout. So pardon me if I ignore most of what you say, until that unlikely time, and until you develop the ability to express your own ideas. After all you either can’t or are too afraid of articulating any kind of ideas of your own. Anytime I have engaged you using a different tactic all I have been rewarded with is misrepresentation, baseless assertions, parroting of the typical leftwing paradigm, repeated anti-war buzzwords and outright lies You seem to lurk in the background waiting to mock my positive out look of the current solution, which is a really shitty mess started back in 2001 by hijackers.
Since you posted your loaded (and you know it was) question here to battle me, not discuss, I respond with my (don’t really care to debate with you yet again) responses.
I know your view of Iraq is a leftwing view which by leftwing requirement, is the most bleak possible, let me say that I have heard differing assessments. However, your argument seems to imply that dictatorship was good for Iraq. It is kind of the like the beaten wife told to stay with her husband because he will get really mad if you leave and may start a fight then kill you . Ether way I don’t really care what you think you may know.

I went to work making refridgerators. Which means I have directly contributed to the comfortable lifestyle enjoyed by most australians. You on the other hand have accomplished nothing.

Wop di do, you made an ice box. If you’ed like to help us out fine, if not fine, just don’t sit there and critique us for getting off our asses.

Perhaps when you said Europeans you meant the French? Besides, no-one asked you to go to Iraq. It wasn't anyone else's battle.

“It wasn’t anyone elses battle.”

Well good!! Shut the fuck up about how we fight it then.
I couldn’t think of a nicer way to say it. Once again sit back, shut up, and enjoy the show.

Why would you want to go to Iraq? Surely you could have found better things to do with all those billions of dollars. Fixing your social security and health systems for example. Zimbabwe, since you appear to be completely ignorant, is an african nation that is currently suffering a crippling economic and food crisis, brought on by the self-serving policies of a corrupt government. Unlike Iraq, Zimbabwe would welcome some foreign intervention. If you insist on invading someone, why not go where you might actually be wanted?

Zimbabwe, that place again? Typical liberal tactic. Don’t drag me into another long exchange about whatever other problems you see in the world today while blaming me for fucking up one of the problems were already trying to pan out.

Because so far you have acomplished SFA. You have killed thousands of iraqi civilians to remove one dictator, who wasn't altogether hated anyway. The invasion of Iraq hasn't helped international security, or prevented terrorism. Anyone who really wants to hurt the US, (or any other nation), will travel there. BTW Afghanistan isn't doing that well after your "help". Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Still thinking inside the box where it‘s safe huh? Try living outside your box awhile. Think outside the Icebox!
Hitler’s supporters opposed his deposition too. He wasn’t “altogether hated” So what anyway? What the hell is that supposed to mean? That Iraq has Anti-war protesters? Anti-war protesters are a mix of people who just hate the US and people who just hate war, and both. Either case, they are wrong. Freedom cannot come to Iraq without a fight. The terrorist leadership have said they hate democracy and freedom, it is demagoguery, it is not the way of Allah. You must you agree with them? But again So what. What the fuck are you talking about Suddam for? Pick up a paper that fuckers dead. Forget about‘em. shit dude stay focused. We are at now now.

Before you reply, consider the following:

Yeah whatever kitten.
Maybe you forget that we’ve had healthy talks before about bees and chicken. And I warned you then, I'm guilty of profiling. I assume from the Giddy-up that people like you are hippies, and full of shit. So long as your playing make believe and talking about stray kittens or whatever other irrelevant smoke filled non-sense you manage to drag into a simple discussion . So any argument I make will continue to proceed on that basis.

Despite your occasional lack of focus on the subject at hand, you seem oddly intelligent.
But that doesn't mean I’m not going to still have fun smashing some of your foolish ideas through the fucking floor.
So please don’t make yourself look stupid by barking anymore of the below statements after you purposely poked me with a stick (“why was it worth it“) to lure me further into a stupid off topic argument. On top of that, at the same time, I had some idiot asking me “what the fuck is wrong with you” six Goddam times in ones sentence for having a bright out look on a shitty war. Are you kidding me or what? You wanted me to take you seriously?

This forum is dedicated to intelligent discussion. So far you have contributed little.
you evidently feel entitled to express your own opinion, yet do not consider that other people have a right to do so. In this you are wrong.

[Steve_TPF]

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

I do hate this shithole, but I don’t see how anything we’ve discussed would led you to think I never cared why I was here.

Possibly because:

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

We are at time now, now. I don't have time to worry about old shit like that anymore.

That's not a reason. It's not even coherent.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

I don’t want to see any fucking holy battles fought on US soil on their terms. So I’m fighting this so called war HERE in this dusty shithole. Whether or not we hand out food and soccer balls to ungrateful little backstabbers in Iraq effects me none back home. It just so happens to be part of the job here. But it has yet to accomplish anything. It’s a proven waste of time, and cuts into my reason for being here. To stay alive and to fight these terriost on non-US soil.

There was no war with Iraq untill you invaded. Furthermore, the 9/11 hijackers were mostly from Saudi Arabia, and took orders from someone based in Afghanistan. What had any of that to do with Iraq?

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

Actually it was worth it because this time I will not have to came back.

Firstly, you didn't have to go, secondly, you haven't managed to leave yet, thirdly, the US will be back the next time their oil supply is threatened.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

I told you briefly my opinion. Now you merely seek to ridicule. For that is all you can do, and the reason all your are worth is insults.

Asking you a question is ridiculing you? I would have thought you would appreciate the chance to explain yourself.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

Maybe when you quit putting words in my mouth and trying to piss me off with a bunch of off-topic nonsense we can go further.

I have not put words into your mouth, only asked you questions. I would be happy to take this conversation further if you would only contribute some constructive argument.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

You still are ignoring the fact that I’m killing people here in iraq, not back home in say Texas. And it’s eally all I care bout.

That's understandable. If you are intent on fighting terrorists though, it seems Saudi Arabia would be a better place to start.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

So pardon me if I ignore most of what you say, until that unlikely time, and until you develop the ability to express your own ideas. After all you either can’t or are too afraid of articulating any kind of ideas of your own.

The opinions I express here are entirely my own. You want ideas? Stay out of the middle east, how's that for an idea? Fix your social security and healthcare systems, how about that? Improving healthcare for US citizens would save a lot more lives than shooting Iraqis.

Originally Posted by Ferrebone

Anytime I have engaged you using a different tactic all I have been rewarded with is misrepresentation, baseless assertions, parroting of the typical leftwing paradigm, repeated anti-war buzzwords and outright lies You seem to lurk in the background waiting to mock my positive out look of the current solution, which is a really shitty mess started back in 2001 by hijackers.

Where have I misrepresented you? To which baseless assertions are you referring? What lies have I told?
It is not your "positive outlook" I criticize, it's your apparent lack of thought about the situation and your inability to converse without resorting to insults. As for the hijackers, again, not Iraqi.
I don't "lurk in the background" either. I'm quite active on this forum, and perfer to be engaged in debate rather than observing it.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

Since you posted your loaded (and you know it was) question here to battle me, not discuss, I respond with my (don’t really care to debate with you yet again) responses.

Not true. I was in fact hoping to get some rational reason for your opinion on the war. So far your only reason (to keep them off american soil), seems baseless. The Iraqis weren't attacking you.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

I know your view of Iraq is a leftwing view which by leftwing requirement, is the most bleak possible, let me say that I have heard differing assessments. However, your argument seems to imply that dictatorship was good for Iraq. It is kind of the like the beaten wife told to stay with her husband because he will get really mad if you leave and may start a fight then kill you . Ether way I don’t really care what you think you may know.

I never said that Saddam was good for Iraq, just that he wasn't entirely hated. Frankly, his administration seems to have been more popular than yours.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

Wop di do, you made an ice box. If you’ed like to help us out fine, if not fine, just don’t sit there and critique us for getting off our asses.

I don't criticize you for getting off your ass, just for picking the wrong fight with the wrong country.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

“It wasn’t anyone elses battle.”

Well good!! Shut the fuck up about how we fight it then.
I couldn’t think of a nicer way to say it. Once again sit back, shut up, and enjoy the show.

It wasn't you battle either. The US picked this fight, now you complain because I point out it wasn't necessary?

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

Zimbabwe, that place again? Typical liberal tactic. Don’t drag me into another long exchange about whatever other problems you see in the world today while blaming me for fucking up one of the problems were already trying to pan out.

The only reason I mentioned Zimbabwe again is because:

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

I have never even heard of Zimbabwe. Why the fuck would I want to go there?

You evidently needed some background.
There are indeed plenty of problems in the world today, but no, I don't expect the US to fix all of them. Invading Iraq was pointless though.
BTW, the US response to the Hurricane Katrina disaster was decidedly poor. Why is it that you can spend hundreds of billions on a war you didn't need, yet failed to take care of your own people when they needed it?

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

Hitler’s supporters opposed his deposition too. He wasn’t “altogether hated” So what anyway? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Hitler was intent on world domination. Stopping him was a worthy cause. Saddam was what western countries would call a tyrant, but by arab standards he was apparently acceptable. No-one put the kind of effort into deposing him as they do into fighting you.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

Freedom cannot come to Iraq without a fight.

Finally, something I can agree with. Transition to democracy however is typically a slow process, instigated by social change within a population. Attempting to impose a democracy on people who didn't ask for one is another thing altogether.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

Maybe you forget that we’ve had healthy talks before about bees and chicken.

Even back then you couldn't refrain from being insulting.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

I assume from the Giddy-up that people like you are hippies, and full of shit. So long as your playing make believe and talking about stray kittens or whatever other irrelevant smoke filled non-sense you manage to drag into a simple discussion . So any argument I make will continue to proceed on that basis.

People like me means what, exactly? People who think the war is pointless? Your assumptions go partway toward explaining your attitude. I have not mentioned stray kittens though. As for "playing make believe", I am not indulging in fantasies, only asking you questions. So far your responses have been inadequate.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

Despite your occasional lack of focus on the subject at hand, you seem oddly intelligent.

I wish I could say the same about you.

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

But that doesn't mean I’m not going to still have fun smashing some of your foolish ideas through the fucking floor.

You have tried, in your own crude way. You haven't succeeded .

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

So please don’t make yourself look stupid by barking anymore of the below statements after you purposely poked me with a stick (“why was it worth it“) to lure me further into a stupid off topic argument.

Asking you politely to substantiate your argument is not "poking you with a stick". If you feel that way it is because you are over-sensitive about the subject.

This forum is dedicated to intelligent discussion. So far you have contributed little.
You evidently feel entitled to express your own opinion, yet do not consider that other people have a right to do so. In this you are wrong.

I'm glad you read that, but it seems you haven't understood.

I have never said that you cannot hold or express your opinion, merely asked you why you held it. Neither have I insulted you. You on the other hand have come out with:

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

Life must be so easy when you just decide to be an asshole. At least you didn’t call me an asshole for having fun at my job, you asshole.
There is so much of your Patented Stoopid™ here, sorry I hardly finished reading it without uncontrollable laughter.

And let's not forget:

Originally Posted by Ferretbone

Edited: to spare Steve’s feelings

To spare my feelings? Hardly. More likely one of the mods reminded you that obscenities aren't acceptable on this board.

Let's recap shall we?

You think the war in Iraq is worth it because:

A: You are protecting the US (and by extension, the world,) from terrorism.

B: You think this time the solution will be permanent, ("I won't have to come back.")

Let me know if I missed any.

As I have said, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I see no justification for yours. Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and was no threat to you. Furthermore, to imagine that it will become a peaceful, cohesive nation is rather naive. The various factions hate each other almost as much as they hate the US. America will be back, if you ever manage to leave at all.

I don't blame you for hating the Iraqis. If I was out there in that heat worrying about being shot at I wouldn't be looking to make friends either.
I did however want you to take me seriously when I originally questioned you. I come here for debate, not slanging matches.

Take a deep breath before you reply. It will do you good.

[Jago]

Now, before this continues, just a reminder that we are here to have a good healthy discussion on the topic, not to get into tit-for-tat abusive/insults (even though it isn't to that stage yet, but I thought I'd make a reminder incase it gets to that point).
Even though the debates may get heated, let's try and refrain from any possible name calling.

[jrly]

I have been thinking about the war(not so much about who is winning) and how people are saying to solve it.

Republican: they say that America is spreading democracy in the world and that Iraq will be a stepping stone for democracy. I also saw Glenn Beck say that if the US pulls out it will be biggest moral scar since Vietnam.

Democrats: they say that America needs to pull out because Us soldiers are dying and that the US went in under false pretenses of WMDs which was really false pretenses for going in for the oil.

I haven't really seen a good third option. Both the R and D ideas will end in shit because no one can agree on what to do.

I think that going into Iraq was a shitty idea because, as I said, the US invaded under multiple false pretenses and decided to make up new ones as the war goes along. Anyways, I think that the Republicans reasons for staying are shit and the Democrats reasons for leaving are, also, sit. I think that since the US decided to invade a dictatorship that needed to be fixed but not in the way that it has happened.

I think that it is necessary to stay in Iraq not because of spreading democracy, but because the people there will be fucked if the US decides to leave. And I know that if the US stays they will end up staying there for a long time since the government there is going to shit if it was any good at one point.

I don't think that I expressed my opinon very coherently and I just kinda rambled on repeating the same stuff over and over again, but I think that more options other the two "accepted" part options are considered, because in my opinion Iraq is going to end in shit, but the US needs to attempt to fix it since they fucked it up because it was just so great for the Kurds and the Shi'a under Saddam Hussein.