recruiting sheeple

[crazy white guy]

Everyone wants power, but not many people are up to the demands of getting there. Leaders like Adolf Hitler, Che Guevara and Fidel Castro have went from being homeless artists, simple family doctors and baseball players to being a revolutionary power. Often its not conquest that people strive for. Many people like myself just want to change how things are run in the world to better suit our needs and wishes. That was what Adolf did. He gathered support in the nationalist socialist party and pushed his way into office. I am thinking the same would be true in a smaller scale for a motivated soul.

How can you rally support for your cause? It might not be a political party your brewing but a criminal syndicate. Or maybe a hate based purification army. How could you play with their emotions in a way that would give you complete control over them? There is the way some gangs and racist groups operate. They prey on weak and innocent people and put them in a situation where they feel compelled to join you. After that they are forced to stay for they know nothing but the warm embracing wool covering of the sheeple army. There are a few reasons that this would not be the best case. First, who are you trying to recruit? Do you want an army of self conscious sheep that will follow your will but fall at the slightest resistance. AS much as you want the numbers necessary to take whatever goal you have, a group of motivated, self sufficient soldiers is needed to whip your sheep into bulls. How might these people be swayed into following you? They wont be convinced by simple fear tactics. One thing that everybody loves is power whether it be money or drugs or protection.
Where would you find these people? Its always possible to talk to individuals and convince them to follow you, but propaganda is much more effective en masse. In the movie "American History X" a warehouse was bought and parties were held. Anyone that came would be shown a life of partying and power and be admitted into the movement.

I have a few questions

What kinds of people should be targeted to build a core group of supporters in the initial group?
What kind of benefits should the hopefuls be teased and prodded with to make the group look more glamorous and formidable?

Everyone wants to take over the world. Heres a thread dedicated to it.

Criticism and support is appreciated, trolling and bitching is not.

[Tiananmen]

How you recruit followers and gain support all depends on the type of organization you wish to start. Adolf Hitler was successful because he offered the promise of a stable and functional government during a time of near anarchy. Germany was in complete chaos, and Hitler made promises of stability, work and food for everyone, and most of all he catered to Germany's bruised ego. They had just been beaten quite badly in WWI and to top it all off all kinds of economic sanctions were made against Germany. Hitler promised that wouldn't happen again. He also won support by demonizing a minority. The Jews provided a target for Germany's people's aggression. Al Capone was successful because he perpetrated the idea that he was just a simple working class friend of the people who could also get results. He provided for and ensured the safety of those under his control, winning the support of the very people he was extorting. And I'm not trying to kick up any shit, but L. Ron Hubbard was successful because his religion was specifically tailored to the downtrodden masses. Scientology is a religion for the lower class, people who often times feel unappreciated for what they do. You don't see many upper-class rich folks following the belief that if you live your life doing what you think you should then you gain control over your own destiny.

To recruit, you need a specific target such as a class of people, a certain race, religion, whatever. What you offer has to be exactly what they want.
Once you get a core of very dedicated core followers, the masses of fringe followers will come. And the most important rule of attracting followers is you have to provide results. Say your a revolutionary organization intent on overthrowing the American government. If you want a following you will have to make major steps in harming the government. Once you have proven that you are willing and capable, followers will come by the boatloads. A modern example is Al Qaeda. Do you think that they would be very successful at all if they weren't able to scare us? They infiltrate the people claiming us to be an enemy to the people. Then the use our fear as an example of their results. The very people are rallying around Al Qaeda, being told that we are the evil oppressors and that they are the righteous liberators.

To sum it up, the type of people that you should target depends on the situation and the type of results you want. Al you really need to offer is promises, then results. Offering money and power is useless if your an ineffective leader. You prove that you can do what you claim and people will rally around you and bring their friends.

[DeathToSociety]

This might sound scumbagish, but go after children like they do in Africa and brainwash them from a young age. I was watching Blood Diamond (yeah I took my idea from a movie, so what) and it seemed like a pretty effective way to get soldiers.

As for what you said about propaganda, you could set up an official looking news website or a radio station, or possibly blackmail/threaten/whatever the owner of your local news station to make them cover certain stories. Try to get people really pissed off about whatever then offer a solution.

[crazy white guy]

Bending the media is a great idea. After you have your established niche you can influence other people to breed your supporters.

[Random]

To those posters whose posts were removed:

If you're going to post something, post something valid and relevant to the discussion - stop fucking around.

Alternatively, the thread can be locked.

[crazy white guy]

To get the thread back on track:

Heres a little brainstorm for finding troops and supporters.

- Radio. If you have an inside man, you can slowly creep more and more of your supporters into the staff until you can control the bulk of the broadcasts and advertising. Just like Christianity. Using this you can schedule mass rallies while still staying under the radar of mass government.
- TV. Two or three dedicated supporters would be able to get internships and staff positions on political channels and public access channels so that they can blackmail and push your views into the broadcasts.
- Internet. Anyone can make a website now. You can make a pair of websites where one is your visible sheep massing movement where the other one is where you send out coded messages to your generals/leaders. You can also pay for people to mention your campaigns on sites that has a big user base of people that DONT support you. This will make people more willing to join you seeing as a trusted source of information is telling them that your party is the right choice.
- Military. You can rally support within a military by paying for little benefits along the way. Little things that make the troops love you. A few examples would be buying plasma screens for their overseas bases that say 'My political movement supports you brave men and women'. If you have enough people, eventually they will not obey orders to fight you seeing as so many of them ARE you.
- Politics. Blackmail and payoffs are a great way to get your laws passed. Also if you ever need to found a facility, it would be good to have someone that can make it get done without any problems.

[DeathToSociety]

I think we should discuss what kind of movement this is. I know this threads supposed to be just about recruiting but we could come up with more specific ideas if we knew what exactly what this is supporting.

[crazy white guy]

well lets have a few ideas just to spur more conversation. heres a little list of things i think area reasonable.

Dictatorship
Religious Campaign
the push towards a Utopian society
Strictly financial gain like drug empires and the like
Simply having power
overthrowing a government

Those are pretty general but still hold true

[DeathToSociety]

Overthrowing a government - Okay so lets brainstorm, what group of people would be suitable for this? A shitload of people, so lets narrow it down.

College Students would be good sheeple because lots of them are so far up their own ass with their hippie "change the world" enviromental shit.
There is already several eco-terrorist groups around the world buy most of them stay away from hurting people and focus on doing damage that causes people to lose money.
Groups such as ELF, ALF, and lots more minor ones.
The good thing about these groups is that there is no structure at all, people who want to help are encouraged to form a group and attack, but there is no heirarchy and no leader.

So among college students it wouldn't be hard to find some people who would want to join ELF or ALF, but we need to convince them that financial damage to the enemy isn't enough, after all the enemy are millionares and billionares and the only thing that might stop them is a more violent approach.

When you get about 7-10 people, start planning attacks that would get a lot of attention and draw more college students to you.
Also, very important: you need to establish a heirarchy if you want any real power.
When you get aprox. 50 people plan protests in the street and hold speeches, maybe start riots if you can.
After you get over 100 people, begin forming your plan to overthrow the government, set up training facilities to change these college students into soldiers.
I don't know how you would get weapons, but with 100 people someone is bound to know someone who knows an arms dealer, Alternatively you could raid gun stores, police stations, etc. but this should be another thread.

You got your soldiers, you got your plan, let the civil war begin.

[crazy white guy]

I had a huge essay tiped up to reply to your post but my laptop crapped out.

Anyways. I think your numbers are a bit off. The american police have gunned down thousands of collage students at relatively peaceful protests.

At 5-10 the supporters could be made to gether more supporters. At 50, rallies could be organised in the streets and padestians would become soldiers. At a few hundred soldiers you could organise mass rallies and suddenly have a flip of power where 5000 men and women march info office and stand beside their political leaders and hold the political office.

This can only be done if you first convice the masses (50% or more) that what you are doing is correct. This will ensure that whatever actions you take will not be shot down by an army of nay-sayers.

sorry for any errors. I am on my friend's computer.

[crazy white guy]

I forgot to mention.

Weapons? who said they were hard to get?

Lets just take a quick look around my room. First in and under my bed. A sten with only minor charges needed for it to become operational (legal). A PA Luty SMG without a bolt (legal). A iron thick walled pipe with studs welded into it and a .50 cal black powder cannon (also legal).

That is only my bed

Under and around my dresser and nightstand is alcohol, pipes and caps, enough electronic equiptment to make many timed weapons and a shit tonne of other things that could eaily be made into weapons. With The alluminum foundry and a bench grinder in my garage I could make 50 SMG's by the morning (1 am here) If i had the metal.

this is not including my closet and my dad's weapons which are a plenty.

Arming the soldiers wouldn't be too much of a problem seeing as the guns can be made of parts that would never be flagged as dangerous.

Training could be done at paintball fields, Airsoft games or ever in a forest in the middle of know here.
Again. sorry for errors.

[Heres an edit. This is two months after the thread started. I have got more and less weapons now. A friend and I tested a P A Luty firearm that exploded on the second round. It wasnet of my construction. I no longer trust the design. I know quite a few people that are engineers in the local collage that have the ability to design or help build SMG's of a very reliable design or just AK's with store bought breeches and hard to fabricate parts. Using the rough design of the 1911 pistol I could make a hundred auto pistols for about 300$ (i calculated during a bullshit class I'm in right now, my metalwork teacher actually helped with the design) The .50 caliber cannon is no more. My dad bent the barrel trying to move the drill press base before remembering that its bolted down. heh. I do have the capability/training to make remote control planes and rockets that could be used as ghetto cruise missiles. Not the most effective though.]

[DeathToSociety]

Thats a good idea, I never thought of making your own weapons.
Can you post a link to this PA Luty smg guide?

Edit - nevermind, I found it on warweed

[crazy white guy]

Lets start this bump with a re-cap

These are the things that will guarantee your acceptance as a new world power to most people:

A very good plan to create a 'green' economy
A decent plan to improve or keep balanced the current economy
Improving the lives of the 20g - 100g income families
Improving foreign policy
Improving the education system
Having strict punishment for corrupt officials

How would you do this? you need a plan for it. Here would be my plan

---For a green economy, All vehicles would need to run on a clean fuel. Within 10 years, 80% electricity generated would have to be generated using renewable energy in semi-local facilities. A train system would be build to reduce the need for large ships and trucks. Canada is in a situation where we could easily convert 100% of our energy production to renewable (already at about 40% in my area.) A community yard waste composting center would be set up so that communities will always have rich compost to use for local gardens.
---My plan to improve the economy would be basically to improve foreign relations. Right now the economy of north America is fluctuating. I cant really say anything for sure and all my old ideas went out the shitter
---Making food cheaper with the train system will do a lot. Making energy cheaper using green would also do a lot. making jobs maintaining the dozens of energy facilities would do good for the economy and families. I would try and start a low level civil service firm that trained and gave jobs to able bodied welfare recipients so that they can actually make a decent living(I would make welfare next to nothing for able bodied people unless they have someone to support.)
---Foreign policy is a hard thing to put into a nutshell. I wont go into detail here. Basically having all decisions consulted by three tiers of government instead of simply through high parliament or whatever the US has at the moment.
---Education policy is pretty easy. Everyone has forced high school as it is right now until they are 17/18. They get full tuition paid for if they sign a contract to be in civil service for 5 years or so after wards. Non-civil service students get 40% - 100% of their tuition paid depending on whatever rules are decided by my advisers/forums/officials.
---Corrupt officials are tried before a private/peer court if any sort of suspicion is raised. If the peer court finds that there is evidence enough to justify a public trial, that is what is done.

It might not be good to have a openly violent revolution. I think it would be better to use violence to push turning points in your favor but not as a single means of getting your way. Hitler is a good example. Right before his flip of power he killed a dozen or so of the people who stood the biggest risk of taking away his power. So keeping this in mind, you could have your open demonstration and a secondary movment that was like the CIA of your new government. It kept track of the government efforts to stop your plan. It would also take actions to stop the government from trying to stop you. They would keep order during rallies by causing a commotion that would let your supporters be safe during rallies and demonstrations. Basically doing little things that piss the government off while doing bigger things like assassinating the civil servants that are supporting your enemy and replacing them with your operatives or at least assuring that someone sympathetic to your cause is placed in their position.

I also made some revisions to the weapons post.

[Draven]

In a nut shell, become a virus...

Infect yourself into group X (local gangs, religious groups, political movement) and recruit the more extreme members bringing them into your "inner circle." Use the regular group to fund and recruit your inner circle. The inner circle should then be highly trained and constantly training for their secret missions.

Then you either capitalize on situations (as Hitler did) or set off crisis, use the crisis to create a reaction (lead by the public face of the group) and offer a solution that grants you a position to create power.

For example; I'll use the Arian Nation, KKK etc. type groups...
Growing said group with militiant personnel.
Step One: Burn down a few all black churches and shoot but not kill a white police officer.
Step Two: Burn down another church leaving the body of a young black man, wearing Black Power T-shirt underneath a KKK style costume who got trapped in his last fire.
Step Three: Offer to train white people to defend themselves and demand public appologies from media sources who targeted your non-violent racist group. The syrface organization of course stands for civil rights for all but feels the anti-racism laws have targeted white people with "reverse racism." So you now must defend yourself by pointing to the outrage of the black people and how violence errupted from their outrage (any outraged group will react violently ), of how your view that blacks were using the legal system to push their racist views against all white people, thus you must protect and defend your "white brothers" offering free self-defense classes, neighborhood patrols, etc.

Problem: Black people are being victimized and assaulted, violence has targeted a police officer (a symbol of the state and the just white man).

Reaction: The sudden outrage of one group is now used to put any outraged people and groups in a sinister light.

Solution: Your group as a whole opposes various "anti-white" laws and seeks to inspire the people to reverse such laws. Mean while you've offer a means for more militant groups to undergoe combat training I mean "self-defense skills." And so long as your group helps the locals they will in some way support your efforts even if they do not agree with your views.

Bear in mind I'm applying the same strategy as Hilter with the Riestag and the Black Panthers as far back as the early 70s...

[DeathToSociety]

Originally Posted by crazy white guy

[Heres an edit. This is two months after the thread started. I have got more and less weapons now. A friend and I tested a P A Luty firearm that exploded on the second round. It wasnet of my construction. I no longer trust the design. I know quite a few people that are engineers in the local collage that have the ability to design or help build SMG's of a very reliable design or just AK's with store bought breeches and hard to fabricate parts. Using the rough design of the 1911 pistol I could make a hundred auto pistols for about 300$ (i calculated during a bullshit class I'm in right now, my metalwork teacher actually helped with the design) The .50 caliber cannon is no more. My dad bent the barrel trying to move the drill press base before remembering that its bolted down. heh. I do have the capability/training to make remote control planes and rockets that could be used as ghetto cruise missiles. Not the most effective though.]

I've looked into gunsmithing quite a bit since i last posted in this thread and I've come across a massive file with blueprints and instructions for making AK-47, AR-15, several types of sten guns, various pistols and smgs, and some other random things like pen-guns and such. I can't find the link to it right now but if anyone is interested I'll upload it somewhere, or just send it to you.

Also I've read a bit about a terrorist group called the ETA, they get most of their recruits from universities, train them, then they go back to their lives, working a legitimate job. The ETA keeps its members isolated from each other until they are called up to do something, and then they only meet about 4-5 people. When the job is done they go back to their regular lives and wait for the next job. The duties are regularly rotated within this network and sometimes members go for years without contact with the ETA, this keeps the group from falling if anyone is caught, and makes it impossible to figure out how many members there are.

edit - for anyone who is interested, here is the torrent for the file with the gunsmithing stuff

[antifreeze]

i would definitely be interested in those blueprints

[crazy white guy]

I've looked into gunsmithing quite a bit since i last posted in this thread and I've come across a massive file with blueprints and instructions for making AK-47, AR-15, several types of sten guns, various pistols and smgs, and some other random things like pen-guns and such. I can't find the link to it right now but if anyone is interested I'll upload it somewhere, or just send it to you.

I'm almost 100% sure that i have the exact same file pack as you. I torrented it. I'll post the link for the torrent once I find it.

Heres another idea for weapons. Find a machine shop with all the tools and equipment needed to manufacture Kalashnikov rifles or similar. This will not be very hard seeing as there are not many advanced processes needed in the manufacture of Kalashnikov's and AR's. Either convince the owner to build weapons for you by giving him some big part in your revolution or threaten to bomb his shop, house and family while greasing his palms nicely to take away the shock of being blackmailed and make him more willing to follow your orders.

Doing this with multiple shops would be the best way to go. This way you could keep it a secret to easier seeing as the machinists might not need to know what they are making. The weapon furniture can either be bought in bulk or made cheaply by plastic casting (really easy and durable)

Please keep feeding me ideas. I'm using this as part of an assignment for my English class =)

[ww3sabiture]

it wont let me save the file =(

[Fayle]

Hmm, you know this thread sort of argues some of the minor details.

Those leaders only rose because the state of the country they were targeting needed some sort of help. for example, hitler. He rose up in that party for having humane views but after WWI germany was in debt, as a result people were suffering. This was hitlers chance to take advantage of the situation. He figured he needed a scapegoat and a promise of a better society to get in, so he blamed the Jews and said that his plan to exterminate them would save germany. Now what was the result? he commited suicide.

Yo work a group of people together to take over, you need to do things smart, keep your promises, and make sure your government is just and in-corruptable.