American Patriotic Movement; What a Fucking Joke...

[Draven]

I'm a survivalist by nature; I plan to survive to an old age, I pay attention to things like economics, politics and weather. I don't believe in allot of conspiracy stuff; but I do believe poeple with power will always try to gain more and that the past reveals allot about our future (history repeating itself and all that). I resently spent sometime with the so called American Patriot movement; supposedly they are trying to get our rights back...

What a joke; first off everyone is waiting on some mythic knight-in-shining-armor type figure to lead them to victory. No such people exist and when they do; well look at Ceasar, Hittler, Sallin, Mussolini & Obama. If you want to find a leader be a leader; plain & simple...

Secondly, everyone wants to whine about how we are lossing their rights, but does anyone have a plan. Nope... Can anyone suggest a plan of action without being accused of trying "take control of the movement," oh hell know. I'm all for demonstrations and protests but most of these people just want to cry, does anyone come up with a means of educating those who don't know? No... Does anyone try to organize public discussions (anyone can do this for free at their local liberaries) of what wrong to draw in more people to protest, demonstrate or write their politicans? No... They want to whine and cry and live up to BS dreams of self-glorified delusions.

Third, all these Patriotic Amercians who talk about "Give me liberty or give me death" and a "revolution" are so scared to accept anything outside their labels and being labelled a "terrorist" or "hate mongers" they spend most of their time pointing fingers at each other. They are a worthless lot and these are the people who claim to be the Patriotic Movement. I sadly so; have greater respect for idiots like the KKK & New Black Panther Party them these people.

They all want a leader but no one wants to be lead. They want something done but do not want to take action to do it. They don't want to be seen as the "bad guys" but are too afraid to be seen. So the aside from my rant at such a BS sub-culture of whining and stupidity; as anyone had any experience with such groups before..?

[shetlan]

The American Patriot Movement is a political action group, not unlike the NAACP or the ACLU. I get junk-mail from them all the time.

Incidentally, there are plenty of reasonably organized groups prepping behind the scenes.

[groundzero_1]

Originally Posted by Draven

Third, all these Patriotic Amercians who talk about "Give me liberty or give me death" and a "revolution" are so scared to accept anything outside their labels and being labelled a "terrorist" or "hate mongers" they spend most of their time pointing fingers at each other.

True. People do not know themselves until they can see themselves from someone else's point of view, and these people lack the ability to do so. Alls they think of is how America was built on "rights", and how being American is awesome and America is always right... Bullshit.

The kind of people that say "Give me liberty or give me death", are the LAST people who will die for any cause, and they know it too which is why they parade around with that outdated slogan, knowing that they will never have to go fight in a war, or see the hardships of other countries. They are hiding behind a sign and it makes me sick.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by shetlan

The American Patriot Movement is a political action group, not unlike the NAACP or the ACLU. I get junk-mail from them all the time.

Incidentally, there are plenty of reasonably organized groups prepping behind the scenes.

Oh I know their are less political and more practical application groups out there. Like some of the militias I've talked to. But for the whole Amercian Patriot Movement; it used to be a bunch of "fringe extremists" who distrusted their government & in the last 8 to 10 years have been highjacked by psuedo-intellectual dumb shits (I can't think of a better word for them) who whine like a pack of love sick teenagers and beg for direction but are too scared to see where they are going.

Its like constitutionalism went pop-culture... Believe we are screwed with these idiots...

The term American Patriot Movement and Patriot Movement in general are blanket terms for many groups; Sovern Citizens, 9/11 Truthers,
Constitutionalists, Militiamen, Some Racist Organizations claim the title, Christian Conservatives, Lone Crazy People like the Unabomber are in there as well... Lately we been seeing Constitutional Conservatives; which are Conservatives (many Republicans who were betrayed by Bush & hate Obama). As individual groups these people as fine; except for the racist idiots and the unabomber types (the liberals have those as well). However, under this whole umbrella term we have many different groups and not a single one knows half of whats happening or why. The most irritating aspect of it is that we have the lost children of the GOP trying to turn the concept of the movement into the New Republican party; where the origional spirit of the movement was to tell the government to "back off.... "

[bloodlusta]

What even funnier is when you ask them what they have an issue with and it takes them a while to think of something. Its like those people who protest about America going down hill. As though through protest America will fix all its issues overnight. And stand there shouting "I'm mad as hell! and im not going to take it anymore!" off that racist movie which name escapes me for the time

Ah network, that is the raciest movie in question

[Atma]

I'm all for constitutionalism, but as the OP said, everyone wants to whine instead of taking action. Nobody tries to be a leader, run for office, or anything like that. Protesting hasn't been effectively "taking action", either.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

What even funnier is when you ask them what they have an issue with and it takes them a while to think of something. Its like those people who protest about America going down hill. As though through protest America will fix all its issues overnight. And stand there shouting "I'm mad as hell! and im not going to take it anymore!" off that racist movie which name escapes me for the time

Ah network, that is the raciest movie in question

How was network racist?

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by Draven

Its like constitutionalism went pop-culture... Believe we are screwed with these idiots...

That's right on the money. The republicans in the government saw that people where getting restless and looking for a movement to get behind, so they manufactured one for them.

In reality, neither political party is really interested in what's best for the people or for the country. Neither party is going to do anything that will jeopardize their power balance - supporting a revolution would upset the power balance pretty badly.

There are still a few politicians worth keeping an eye on. In several speeches and comments, Governor Perry (TX) has been gently suggesting that Texas may secede, recognizing his constituants' displeasure with the way the government has been run into the ground. "We have a great country, and it would be a shame to break it up. But if Washington continues on this path, you never know what might come of it." Governor Palin (AK) said something similar awhile back.

Political talk show hosts Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh have both been quietly talking about a future rebellion. Levin gets no less than three calls a week asking "When is it enough? When can we fight back?" Levin answers with varied phrases but they all suggest "Not yet, but we're close."

[bloodlusta]

Originally Posted by Draven

How was network racist?

It is part of a long list of American anti Arab movies. I suggest you read "Reel bad Arabs" for more information.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

It is part of a long list of American anti Arab movies. I suggest you read "Reel bad Arabs" for more information.

And... Not to be an asshole about it but, Hollywood had always been a state propaganda machine for the times, I was more or less asking about what parts were racist? Exactly how was it racist?

You know me I think the "Its racist card" is a cop out. Unless it shows case for all Arabs, its just individual cases and individuals can conform to any cliche or strereo-type they wish. And it goes back to the Jar-Jar Binks arguement; that even if you treat him as a racial stereo-type for Jamacians you can't call it "Racist" since his whole "Jamacan-like race" was nothing like him.

[bloodlusta]

I agree the race card is often a cop out. The movie portrays 'patriotic' Americans standing up and uniting against the all powerful evil Arabs who are buying America. Now just imagine that with jews instead of Arabs. There would have been outrage

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

Now just imagine that with jews instead of Arabs. There would have been outrage

No, Hollywood is pretty comfy with hating Jews - just look at Mel Gibson.

[bloodlusta]

Originally Posted by shetlan

No, Hollywood is pretty comfy with hating Jews - just look at Mel Gibson.

Rofl touche very good point very good point. Did not think that one through

[Draven]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

I agree the race card is often a cop out. The movie portrays 'patriotic' Americans standing up and uniting against the all powerful evil Arabs who are buying America. Now just imagine that with jews instead of Arabs. There would have been outrage

Except that it is realitively true... Arabs, Israelis (Not all Israelis are Jews even if they claim to be; which gives many Jews a bad name) & Asians are buying up large portions of American banks, media and so on. And I know Americans & Europeans do it as well. But, once you get through the names and companies its just a handful of people in the US, Asia, Europe, & the Middle East (Arabs & Jews) who control a great deal. I didn't see the movie as all that racist given it only showed one side of a very big coin...

[bloodlusta]

Originally Posted by Draven

Except that it is realitively true... Arabs, Israelis (Not all Israelis are Jews even if they claim to be; which gives many Jews a bad name) & Asians are buying up large portions of American banks, media and so on. And I know Americans & Europeans do it as well. But, once you get through the names and companies its just a handful of people in the US, Asia, Europe, & the Middle East (Arabs & Jews) who control a great deal. I didn't see the movie as all that racist given it only showed one side of a very big coin...

But America has been doing that to NZ and raping our economy for years and if a kiwi made a film like that it would be coined anti American, and we would face a barrage of complaints. the last person to complain about it was a newspaper writer who for some reason lost their job a few week after writing about it in the Waikato times

[Draven]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

But America has been doing that to NZ and raping our economy for years and if a kiwi made a film like that it would be coined anti American, and we would face a barrage of complaints. the last person to complain about it was a newspaper writer who for some reason lost their job a few week after writing about it in the Waikato times

And... Those same American Companies raping your country are owned by Arab, EU, Israeli, Asian and so on share holders throughout the world. Get over it, its not just Evil-Americans its evil mega-corperations and corupt government politicians.

For Example:
The Germans had the formula for Coal to liquids after WW2 and Standard Oil who bought into Dupont agreed to stay out of Eastern Europe if the Germans stayed out the fuel industry. Then Starndard Oil helped to build up Britians Economy by saling American Oil in Britian (BP didn't have the funds to rebuild after the Nazi bombings) but Standard Oil did. So standard oil took up BPs contracts in Britian & allowed BP to takeover Standard Oil sites in the US. David Rockafeller traded 30% of his stocks in Standard Oil for just under 50% of BPs stocks to seal the deal.

Now Dupont retains the formula for coal to liquids and the major fuel, media & chemical companies are owned by the same handful of people throughout the world. You only see one face...

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

But America has been doing that to NZ and raping our economy for years and if a kiwi made a film like that it would be coined anti American, and we would face a barrage of complaints.

Really, it would probably win a few awards if it made it to the US. Anti-American films are really popular in the US.

What reporter?

[bloodlusta]

Tony something. It may have Tamihana or something like that but I can't remember. Oh ad they weren't a reporter they were a columnist

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

Tony something. It may have Tamihana or something like that but I can't remember. Oh ad they weren't a reporter they were a columnist

So a columbist wrote an editorial about corporations running the NZ economy, and he was fired soon afterward . . . what's that got to do with the US government?

Incidentally, you can't assume the things the guy wrote where true. If they where false, then the corporations he libled have every right to demand his firing.