open carry

[ninefingers]

Originally Posted by FerretBone

1. You never post weapons serial numbers on the web. I could register your firearm in another state and later claim it was stolen. ORfirearm) they would never know the difference.

No you can't (won't). Shetlan asked for Proof; he got it.

2. What the hell are you waiting for the NRA for? I do not understand what you are trying to prove. A news story of a CCW or CHL and a bad police arrest? If so, you can find hundreds on the internet.

Again, waiting for proof. I got it, eventually. It is there. If it was so Easy; why didn't S. do it himself?

3. CA is not a shall issuse state. Which means basicly it's up to the CLEO (chief law enforcement officer). Where Sheltan is living it may be a CCW heaven, but the rest of the state, its impossable to get a CCW without power or fame,

Not quite true. Call Charles Heller of the AzCDL in Glendale, AZ. He teaches CCW classes and knows. ( 623) 594-8521; info@AzCDL.org ; AZCDL Home. He is better to talk with. And he Says: It is Easy Only in CA in Central valley towns like Bakersfield, Fresno, etc. (NOT Sacramento.) It is NOT easy in Martinez--Shetlan mentioned being in "security", later--this is why he got one. It was deceptive on his part. You are right about the most populous--they are hard to impossible, like Marin County, S.F., most of Alameda; Santa Clara, LA, or Orange County; and probably Sonoma and Napa counties-- unless you have money/influence. I've posted this.

Who gives a fuck about what Hawaii thinks? LOL

Again READ. I posted Proof Shetlan wanted.

JOECRAZYKID, CCW is Concealed Carry Weapon, permit

In TX it's a CHL, Concealed Hand
gun License. Same thing.

No one on this topic should not know what CCW is, it's a Carrying Concealed Weapon Charge; Not a "permit". Permit is C/W or C/C license.

Originally Posted by headcase

For the record, members can't permanently delete posts as moderators can still view them. Equally, if a post is edited moderators can view the previous copies. The earth mover post still seems to be there (#21) with the only deleted post on page 1 of this thread being ninefingers';

If someone wants an old post dragged up then I might be able to. Especially if they know the thread or the rough time of posting.

How come it isn't there?....What are you smoking? Can I have some? I don't care what the Moderators can do or see; my post on the road grader (Not "earth mover") and Brianna's dead father is not publicly visible. You have posted my existing reply to Dan Shetlan about his "proof of" this and that. No one seems to remember that I removed it as he found it irritating--and, I realized it was off topic. I didn't Have to--no one remembers this, either. Just endless crud about a dead post. One of my first posts; so shoot me!

Why dredge up old stuff that is meaningless now, anyway? We get too far off topic when Mr. S. constantly clogs up Forum time with his: "proof, bla,bla,bla...'" He should get the talking-to; not me.

Speaking of which; let's get back on topic: Now we have Proof that legal O/C doesn't necessarily mean no hassling or jail time. Cops will be cops. Some areas are worse than others for this. C/C is not always available; or is only there if you have money/influence.

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by ninefingers

No you can't (won't). Shetlan asked for Proof; he got it.

The only evidence you've ever posted was the BS earth mover story. Beyond that, you've never sent me anything via e-mail that was anything more than a rant.

Originally Posted by ninefingers

Again, waiting for proof. I got it, eventually. It is there. If it was so Easy; why didn't S. do it himself?

You got the proof - you have links - you have witnesses - THEN POST IT! Stop talking about it and post it!
Are you still wondering why nobody believes anything you say kid?

Originally Posted by ninefingers

Not quite true. Call Charles Heller of the AzCDL in Glendale, AZ. He teaches CCW classes and knows. ( 623) 594-8521; info@AzCDL.org ; AZCDL Home. He is better to talk with. And he Says: It is Easy Only in CA in Central valley towns like Bakersfield, Fresno, etc. (NOT Sacramento.) It is NOT easy in Martinez--Shetlan mentioned being in "security", later--this is why he got one. It was deceptive on his part. You are right about the most populous--they are hard to impossible, like Marin County, S.F., most of Alameda; Santa Clara, LA, or Orange County; and probably Sonoma and Napa counties-- unless you have money/influence. I've posted this.

In what way is that deceptive?
We're back to that "you're either THAT stupid or just retarted" area again.

Originally Posted by ninefingers

Again READ. I posted Proof Shetlan wanted.

What proof! You still havn't posted any!

Headcase, how much longer do we have to deal with this idiot making an ass of himself.

[headcase]

Like I said to Ferret, disagreeing with you is not a ban-able offence. I've already warned everyone on the name-calling and that was the only issue with me. I'd like for you both to drop this whole back and forth (that's gone nowhere in a while) and let the public draw their own conclusion from the information presented but again, no need to step in yet.

Ninefingers, I'm not sure what part of my post you didn't understand, so I'll emphasise the relevant part. If you deleted your post I can still see it. It may be removed from public viewing, but I guess I'm staff.

[FerretBone]

I won't report your firearms stolen using your serail numbers. But I could. And so could anyone else on this forum. I could report them stolen and wait for you to get pulled over, or try to sell them. At the very least they would be taken by the police until you proved they were yours. Or you could spend a few nights in jail, and have to come up with a way to prove your case in court. Or both. Reguardless it's dumb to post that kind of info on the net.




There is a difference between a permit and a license. I called CCW a permit, because that’s what it is. California CCW - concealed carry forum

A permit allows you to engage in something that you otherwise couldn’t do.
Like, I issue you a permit to, take my car in the middle of the night. Which would otherwise be grand theft auto.

A license is like protection that you pay to do something that you would otherwise be allowed to do. Hunting, fishing, driving, owning a business etc.

A license is easier to get, because your meeting requirements to employ in otherwise acceptable activities, instead of seeking permission to break an established law.



CA didn’t include license in the title because the stipulations are different in every county and issuing agencies. CCW in CA allows you to break their established laws. But the terms of acquiring it are not standard through out the state.

Like, one county or agency you have to qualify with each and every one of your carry guns by serial number. In others you qualify by model. Some agencies limit you to only three firearms, some have no limit, some issue most do not, on and on…..


Anyways it is called a permit in CA. That’s what it says on the card. Never heard of a “charge”. Unless you were talking about Shetlan’s permit.