The 'Official' Novelty ID thread [for ALL novelty questions]

[sickrat]

Originally Posted by wheresgeorgenow

I haven't posted online here yet, But I will now and say hello to you all!

Thanks for all the input, I have learned a lot and have come along way.

I do however have several problems that I would like to ask about.

I will first state: I have read probably 60 percent of the forum, so I might have overlooked something I ask about.

My IDs suck. Well, they work in the sense that they can get you into a college bar that will let anyone in (as long as there is something on it that says you are 21 lol) I swear, if you wrote 21 on a pokemon card you could probably get in...

Here are several reasons why my ID's suck.

1.I use artisyn/teslin paper and whenever I laminate I have probably 100 or so little pubbles all over the place. What can I do about this?

2. I think my printer sucks, I don't know anything about printing and inks, but I use an HP cs3180 all in one style printer.

I am assuming it sucks simply because my colors and lines arent very sharp.

3. Also, I have trouble cutting out straight, is a die cutter really the way to go?
4. The last reason I know my id's suck is because I don't have backs on my IDs LOL! Yes, no barcodes, no restrictions, no nothing. I cant get my dam printer to work right and for the life of me the printer wont cooperate when I flip the paper over. I really need to know a trick for this....

FInally, I will say, that my ID's do work in the sense my friends and I need them too. However, I really feel like I am half assing this too much. I would love to perfect this art.

If you think you can help me out, I would really appreciate any comments or advice.

Thanks seniors members, I have really taken a lot from this forum.

-wgn

1. if your getting bubbles, this mean your laminator is turned up way to high.. lower the temp a little bit.. should be around 250-300 degrees

2. invest in a epson r280 .. only 80$ .. perfect printer

3. the die cutter is the only way to go in my eyes.. i started out using butterfly pouches.. after using the die cutter i dont see any reason why anybody would want to use anything different.. such a good investment for this biz.. you can buy them on ebay for like 60$ ..

4. you need to create a template in photoshop or something and make sure they line up on there and as long as your file has the same dimensions and you center everything correctly it should print fine when u reverse the paper... you just need to play around with it.. idk its kinda common sense also.

[wheresgeorgenow]

Sickrat,

Sorry I didn't see that post last night when you pm'd me.

So when you say get an r280, do you mean you use the the tray attachment? Does that work as well as several vids on youtube portray it to be?

As well, when you say you avoid butterfly pouches what do you use instead?

If you are using the tray attachment then you are printing directly onto pvc, (and you dont need any laminate??) so what is the purpose of having the die cutter?

LASTLY, lol I am about to renew my license, would the r280 scan a good enough image to make a beast template from? My current psd file of md is okay, better than the ultimate guide (which...not bashing...is wrong)

Thanks for your quick response!

[xdkx]

I read the forum but i dont remember anyone posting a good combination of pearl ex and UV to get the hologram to work. Also for aynone who has made a Texas nov ID, what laminates did you use? It doesnt need to be exact, im just making an ID for fun

Thanks

[wheresgeorgenow]

Dude, I'll be honest...I have no idea how to make holo's...but Ican tell you that from all of my experience...since i was like 14, I have never been rejected with a fake holo...you know like the holo stickers.

I too am interested in making real holos, so if your question is answered in a PM, let me know. Thanks.

-wgn

[wheresgeorgenow]

I am thinking about changing up my procedure to achieve better results.

is the epson r280 with printer tray good?

P.S I found a brand new r28 for 40 bucks on craigslist... WOOT!

[sickrat]

Originally Posted by wheresgeorgenow

Sickrat,

Sorry I didn't see that post last night when you pm'd me.

So when you say get an r280, do you mean you use the the tray attachment? Does that work as well as several vids on youtube portray it to be?

As well, when you say you avoid butterfly pouches what do you use instead?

If you are using the tray attachment then you are printing directly onto pvc, (and you dont need any laminate??) so what is the purpose of having the die cutter?

LASTLY, lol I am about to renew my license, would the r280 scan a good enough image to make a beast template from? My current psd file of md is okay, better than the ultimate guide (which...not bashing...is wrong)

Thanks for your quick response!

i dont use the r280 tray attatchment but i know someone that uses them and they work great... you should PM enigmaneer if u need one he is selling them.. i just use the printer to print on teslin...

i say use butterfly pouches because they pretty much suck... i use regular laminate film and laminate my teslin oversized so i can use the die cutter to cut it out and it makes a perfect card...

i dont think the r280 scans to make a template.. just find a scanner and scan a id at 2400 dpi and then edit it .. and then shrink it to 1200 dpi for printing...

[plasticcat]

Hypothetically if you wanted to sell ids. And had a middle man how do you guys get peoples pictures sees risky to go to peoples dorms/apts/houses and take their pic or is that the best/only way. One last question what material you use to make Cali noveltys 10 mil on the front and back is way way to thick anyone have luck with the 7 mil sheets ?



In regards to making custom holos use thermal transfer. Search forum for it it's simple And works fucking amazing.

[xdkx]

sickrat, what is the thickness on the the laminate that you use and how does it come out overall? Im trying to figure out what widths will work best for Texas.

[plasticcat]

I bought 10 mil laminate with 10 mil teslin with 10 mil mag stripe laminate for a total thickness of 30 mil. I used a digital micro caliper to measure thickness of a real Cali liscense and it comes out 29 mil so I'm guess with a 1 mil margin of error a Cali is 30 mil but is very flexiable so I'm gonna buy some 7 mil laminates and try that to get it more flexible as they won't be able to feel thickness but flexibility is a major concern.

[therubberdecoy]

How could I hypothetically make the older mass? I was gonna use a printer, 30 mil card but I don't know if that would be accurate. How could one do this with a pvc? How could one do this with a pouch?

As for holograms...

For NV I was thinking about a stamp and use a pearlex stamp pad onto the PVC (30 mil). Would that work?

Nevada on a pvc printer with the pearlex as the holo with a clear overlay.

As for the person talking about UV... would UV nail polish work?



Thanks!

-decoy

[xdkx]

Are these the right dimensions for a die cutter?

2-1/8" x 3-3/8" with Rounded Corners

[plasticcat]

Originally Posted by xdkx

Are these the right dimensions for a die cutter?

2-1/8" x 3-3/8" with Rounded Corners

yes it is theres one on ebay for 54 bucks i think

[sickrat]

i make ny i use 2 pieces of teslin glued together and a 7 mil laminate on the back only.. i dont do anything to the front however i have used matte spray before and found it to do absolutly nothing besides be a pain in the ass lol

but my cards come out perfectly using the die cutter

[genghis]

Does older Ny license have a hologram of any sort?? I know it has a UV of state seal.. i was looking at one yesterday.. no hologram.. but it was old and tired.. let me know when you can. cheers

G

[koolschooler]

Originally Posted by plasticcat

Hypothetically if you wanted to sell ids. And had a middle man how do you guys get peoples pictures sees risky to go to peoples dorms/apts/houses and take their pic or is that the best/only way. One last question what material you use to make Cali noveltys 10 mil on the front and back is way way to thick anyone have luck with the 7 mil sheets ?



In regards to making custom holos use thermal transfer. Search forum for it it's simple And works fucking amazing.

My middle(men, i have more than one) use their own cameras to take pictures (two of them have iPhones which they use...it's not great resolution, but it works well enough for me to alter in photoshop and print off decently) This can be done pretty much anywhere, as i'm pretty good at editing out the background and changing it's color. There is nothing suspicious about taking someones picture in public, even if it's against a wall or something. Then, my middlemen take their ids and scan them to me so i have all their info and photo. (and sorry, can't help you on cali question)

[koolschooler]

Hey guys
I'm having a problem that's really annoying me

Here's my basic setup (layer by layer)

Diffraction film
Thin gloss laminate layer (sticking up, attached to diffraction film
Matte laminate layer with hologram on TOP SIDE (sticking to gloss layer)
Teslin
Gloss Layer (sticking to teslin)

This setup gives me a nice rainbow-hologram effect. Unfortunately, the Teslin and matte layer do not stick simply because i have the hologram on the inside of the matte pouch (as usually done) but it is facing UP, which is reversed. I have tried using adhesive spray between the teslin and matte because they do not bind with heat, but have had little to no success with that. It usually turns out bubbly and seperates fairly easily, and you can see glue residue through the ID, which looks shitty as hell. Is there any layer of some material that any of you know about (be it some kind of glue or laminate) that I can put between the teslin and matte to make them stick together?
Thanks so much for any help received.

[therubberdecoy]

How could I hypothetically make the older mass? I was gonna use a printer, 30 mil card but I don't know if that would be accurate. How could one do this with a pvc? How could one do this with a pouch?

As for holograms...

For NV I was thinking about a stamp and use a pearlex stamp pad onto the PVC (30 mil). Would that work?

Nevada on a pvc printer with the pearlex as the holo with a clear overlay.

As for the person talking about UV... would UV nail polish work?

Also could one make a stencil then use a spray paint to make a hologram? In this case a NV so silver.

Does anyone know if the stamp method works? I am freakin out on how to start this out.


Thanks!

-decoy

[wheresgeorgenow]

Has anyone tried this...

I have been having good luck with gluing sheets of teslin together to make one thicker sheet.

Then i laminate the 10 mil. Anyone else do this?

[rubdub10]

so i finally obtained the ultimo guide but I am having trouble resizing the template to 1200 DPI...I have photoshop cs3 on a mac. It says to lock all layers then drag it to a new image you create with 1200 pixels/per inch but i cant figure out how to lock all the layers and drag it....and when I do it the image is tiny and wont let me resize

[mwdropout]

Why would you lock all layers?! As well why do you want 1200 dpi?! Most good printers print on 720dpi sizings i.e. 5760x1440 etc...... As well after about 600 dpi most people cant see the differnce with the naked eye.....

Anyway, if the original was created at a lower dpi changing the setting/size wont make a huge difference in the print quality..... But on my photoshop cs... There is a setting under image called like image size or something and you click that then change the dpi from 600 or whatever to 1200 and it will do it. I have never heard of creating a new image and locking all th layers and dragging i just have always used the image setting and size option.

[mwdropout]

I do not understand why you are gluing 2 sheets together?! what exactly are you trying to achieve?! You know they do make 14 mil teslin, i have had alot of success with 14mil teslin when needed something a bit thicker then standard..... although when i have tried using 2 sheets of teslin i end up with seperation and such when doing a bend test.

[rubdub10]

Originally Posted by mwdropout

Why would you lock all layers?! As well why do you want 1200 dpi?! Most good printers print on 720dpi sizings i.e. 5760x1440 etc...... As well after about 600 dpi most people cant see the differnce with the naked eye.....

Anyway, if the original was created at a lower dpi changing the setting/size wont make a huge difference in the print quality..... But on my photoshop cs... There is a setting under image called like image size or something and you click that then change the dpi from 600 or whatever to 1200 and it will do it. I have never heard of creating a new image and locking all th layers and dragging i just have always used the image setting and size option.

well the image says this...

This template has been shrunk down to
300 DPI for file size reduction, it is actually
1200 DPI. To size it back up to 1200 DPI,
Lock all of these layers and then open up
a new 1200DPI file (width 3.4,height 2.2)
and drag these locked layers to that file,
then hit Ctrl+T then hold Ctrl+S and resize
the template. The template will look and
print much clearer after it’s re-sized.

[wheresgeorgenow]

Originally Posted by mwdropout

I do not understand why you are gluing 2 sheets together?! what exactly are you trying to achieve?! You know they do make 14 mil teslin, i have had alot of success with 14mil teslin when needed something a bit thicker then standard..... although when i have tried using 2 sheets of teslin i end up with seperation and such when doing a bend test.

Oh, I had no Idea they had 14 mil teslin....


I order teslin from arcadiaid

I cut my sheets to 4X6

Then I glue together with runner cement..

I let that dry..

Then i run through printer, flip over and laminate.

I do not have trouble with coming apart.

It feels way more real than the standard teslin i.d.

My friend just paid 160 for a novelty and when I showed here a nov I made, she was blown out of her mind.

Hers was way to flimsy! two sheets of teslin glued together looks really legita and the rubber cement doesnt peal apart going through laminator.


Now, my problems...

I am just starting to use holograms. (I have been pulled before and my holo is ripped off and cops dont have a prob with that, so i figured a good template with a shitty holo is worse than a good template with no holo...)

Anyways, i just ordered some shield and keys peel and stick holos...

I know this is not the road to go down, but I am anyway just to see how it works.

I was wondering, if I were to use the shield and key holos, should i stick them to the outside of the finished id??? or should i stick it to the teslin and then laminate over it???

As well, I was wondering about just using an exacto knife to kut out the keys, and then peel and stick the remainder of the holo onto the id???

Has anyone tried that???

-wgn

[richierichtx]

Any chance that someone has a scan of the new texas license? I know it just came out like 2-3 weeks ago, but it looks easier to reproduce that the current/old one.

[taylorn]

Texas Department of Public Safety

I'm not sure about you guys but that looks more difficult than the old one.

[richierichtx]

Originally Posted by taylorn

Texas Department of Public Safety

I'm not sure about you guys but that looks more difficult than the old one.

haha. I love this. So actually, the DPS provided a scan for me.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/directo.../pr042209a.pdf

it seems to have microprint in a spiral pattern and some other things, but doesn't seem too hard.

[taylorn]

Hey wheresgeorge. Seriously. The shield and keys are no go. I thought at first that it would be better than nothing. but when I first put one on, I immediatly threw that id away. The acutall size of the peel and stick holo is smaller than standard ID size (3.375x2.125) and leaves an edge that stands out quite a bit. And as far as cutting out the keys, I tried that and all it did was leave a bunch of raised edges where the shields were. I didn't try sticking the holo to the artisyn and then laminating it, but I'm pretty sure that it would look like shit. But thats just my opinon and what I have tried and saw, but by all means try it out and let us know how that goes down. And yes a good temp with no holo beats good temp with shitty holo. My ID that I use, which the temp is OK, not excellent (made it myself and I'm proud of it, so don't knock, lol but who else has an Alaska fake id other than me!!) And It doesnt have a holo yet and it still passes fine.

Also. Where do you guys get your full sheet laminates? I see that brainstorm has 7 mil, but I need 10, in plain and mag stripe.

Thanks guys.
Taylor

[wheresgeorgenow]

Originally Posted by taylorn

Also. Where do you guys get your full sheet laminates? I see that brainstorm has 7 mil, but I need 10, in plain and mag stripe.

Thanks guys.
Taylor

KINKOS!

It might not be the "right" laminate, or the laminate of choice for novs, but it works well for me. And for only 2.50 a sheet. Thats a deal considering I get like 8 novs from a sheet.


EDIT:

I just realized something...

When I print my nov in the center on a whole sheet of teslin (one nov per 8 by 11) I waste a lot of teslin...obviously...

So, I always have cut them up into 3 4X6 pieces of paper.

This is where I never noticed I had a problem until just now.

When I print one nov on my 4x6 my nov is slightly (ever so slightly) larger than the nov I would have if I had used the single 8x11.

Basically, my problem is that when i switch to printing out a 4x6 from 8x11 my 4x6 prints a tiny bit larger than it should actually be. What can I do to make sure that when i switch to print on 4x6 paper that the sizing remains what it should when I print???

thanks,

-wgn

[sickrat]

basically you guys need to order teslin from idsupplydotcom and get a custom order of 4x6 non perforated teslin... you need to place a min order of 500 sheets. @ 50 cents a sheet . well worth it though.... then you need to set your printer to 4x6 .. print your front on one piece of paper... and the back on another.. then you should put the peices of paper together with each side facing out.. then tape the top edge on each side and in the middle with little peices of scotch tape.. then you need to get 3M super 77 adhesive spray.. spray between the papers.. and then fold it back .. the tape keeps it aligned if you know what im talking about... then using an exacto knife cut around your template and leave like a centimenter all around.. then you laminate only the back with a 7 mil .. and then cut it out using a die cutter.. best way to make those flimsy id cars.. like new yorks

[danielsoto2006]

I do have photoshop. What version do you need? 2.0 3.0 danielsoto2006@sbcglobal.net