The 'Official' Shoplifting & Retail Fraud Thread

[bloodlusta]

that might work. i don't know how cameras work so i couldn't tell

[The Anarchist]

if the camera can pick up infrared they will see all white if it doesn't they'll just see the regular picture until the image sensor is destroyed it may also work with a dvd burner but that makes a visible red line through the air and can actually burn things. it will be faster but more noticable

[master lurtz]

I'm shure there is a rather rediculis thread involving temporarly blinding cameras with lasers in the electronics section.... according to that thread this works.

But it is hardly worth the effort.
Better to walk in with a generic bag (eg. Wherehouse) take the goods around a corner into a blindspot then put in the bag. This works really well in electronics stores like Dick Smiths for stealing USB drives and the like.

[Bankraped]

Last week, I was in Dublin. I went into a fairly large bookstore. I was in the comics section. I saw The Death Of Superman. I picked up a sample copy with now shrikwrap, had a flick trough. No security tags (or so I tought). I stuffetd Superman into my backpack. I proceeded to walk out the door. BEEEEP. The alarm went off. I look at the security gaurd. He looks at me. He knods for me to keep going, so I do. I was free.

[bloodlusta]

never steal books! they always have beeping stuff (yes that is the technical term). why did he let you go?

[master lurtz]

I dont know about magizines but books have the magnetic dectors in the spine of the book.... i remember reading somewhere that similar magnetic devices can be deactivated using a magnet/solinoid, if anyone has any info on this please share

[richierichtx]

I know at barns & noble if you flip through the pages, you will find a RFID security tag just loosely in between some random pages, you just have to take it out.

[master lurtz]

I just remembored... you can use a 'magic baggie'- that is a foil lined bag. You can modify the ones that are used for pree cooked chiken at supermarkets. If it can prevent your cellphone from ringing inside it then you know that it will cover the signal device that you are trying to hide.

[Core Entropy]

Originally Posted by yankee1231

I went to disney world (florida) on a band feild trip. The whole time (between rides) my friend and I stole a bunch of shit. It totaled like $700 of stuff between us. Its really simple. NOTHING has a tag in disney world and there are no sensors in ANY shop. The great thing is, buy something from a shop and ask for a big bag. Since they only use 1 bag for the whole park, simply go into another shop and put stuff into the bag and walk out without buying anything. People walk in and out of the shops without buying anything all day so it won't look at all suspicious. Disney world is the easiest place to steal from IMO.

Strangest feeling your talking about marching band. I know that my schools marching band goes down ever three yeard (i play the Snare because its loud and kicks ass)

Ah and i also recently visited north Carolina (and found out wal-mart has alcohol) so snuck some out quite simple. I had my sister and brother which the created quite the ruckus at the other end of the registers which gave me just enough time to slip the alcohol into my pant legging and walk out far enough to get it out and to the care quickly. My next tip is try to shoplift from stores you dont plan on re-visiting or anywhere near your residence.

Originally Posted by Bankraped

Last week, I was in Dublin. I went into a fairly large bookstore. I was in the comics section. I saw The Death Of Superman. I picked up a sample copy with now shrikwrap, had a flick trough. No security tags (or so I tought). I stuffetd Superman into my backpack. I proceeded to walk out the door. BEEEEP. The alarm went off. I look at the security gaurd. He looks at me. He knods for me to keep going, so I do. I was free.

He let him go because those things go off all the time. The stuff i stole from wal-mart and beeped is amazing and they always let me go.

[bloodlusta]

I don't think they pay the guards enough to care. yeah im not very good at "My next tip is try to shoplift from stores you dont plan on re-visiting or anywhere near your residence.". i always go down to the local 4[] and always seem to walk out having taking something. im going to get caught if i keep doing it lol

[master lurtz]

Just doing a little more research on security tags as I have forgotten most of what I knew... got this from totse - enjoy


DEFEATING SHOPLIFTING SECURITY TAGS:

Generally, three types of security tags are used:

Radio Frequency Tags -
These are a spiral shape. They can be disarmed by making a slit in them. Sometimes radio frequency tags are actually embedded in the cardboard packaging.

Electromagnetic strips -
These are a tiny strip of metal. They can usually be pulled off but if you want to disarm them, you can do so by magnetising them. They can be magnetised by waving a powerful magnet in front of the strip repeatedly for 20-40 seconds.

Acousto-magnetic tags -
These tags are a centimetre in length and width. They stick out of the box about a sixteenth of an inch. There are three metal strips going through these type of tags, one of the strips actually shrinks if you go through the sensor and it sets off the alarm. You can disarm these tags by demagnetising them.

You can demagnetise an acousto-magnetic tag by waving a regular magnet over it several times, in a different direction each time. Another way of demagnetising them would be to use one of the two magnets inside your computer. It depends on what computer you have but a lot of the time these magnets aren't needed. I took mine out of my computer and they work good because they have a North Pole and South Pole on either end and either face of the magnet. (They are able to do this because they are made of two different metals.) i.e.

North South
__+___________________-__
|____________|____________|
- +
South North

FAQ:

"If I line the inside of a bag with tin foil and put a stolen object inside, will it set off the alarm?" Despite popular belief, the tin foil will not shield the contents of the bag from the magnetism. Foil will work with radio frequency tags (the ones that look like a spiral), by shielding the tag from any radio frequency (RF).

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"How do radio frequency tags work?"

A transmitter sends out a RF, the tag picks up the RF and emits its own RF that is picked up by a receiver.

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"Why would making a slit in an RF tag disarm it?"

If you make a single break in the spiral, the circuit will be open and thus can no longer produce any RF.

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"In disarming acusto-magnetic tags, what's the advantage in having a north and south pole on either end of either face of the magnet?"

When something becomes magnetized e.g. a piece of iron, all that is happening is that the magnetic atoms of the material are becoming aligned (they point the same way). The south pole of the magnet is moving the magnetic atoms in one direction and the north pole of the magnet is moving the magnetic atoms in a different direction. Because the magnetic atoms are not pointing the same way, they are not aligned and thus, not magnetized. Demagnetising the tag can be done quicker with the computer magnet because if you sweep the magnet over the tag 5-10 times, it will more than likely be demagnetised. While with a regular magnet, I'd sweep it over the tag around 30 times just to be on the safe side.

If you are still unsure that these methods work, go to your local CD shop (they usually use electromagnetic strips) and take the strip off the CD, magnetise it and stick it to somebody's back. See if the alarm goes off when they walk out.

[bloodlusta]

watch out when you try to take mag strips off because sometimes they have ink sprays that go off when you take the strip off. ty for the info lurtz

[Bankraped]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

why did he let you go?

Guess he thought I was ok. After that, every shop with bleeping things, the alarm went off. Stopped after a while. Later on, down the road, I was in HMV. I was downstairs in the Metal section. Saw a CD I felt like stealing (mild kleptomania), so i removed the plastic wrapping from arount it, took out the cd. I was gonna put it in my pocket, but a security gaurd started standing near me and looking at me, so I put the cd back. Few mins later, I left.

[bloodlusta]

in larger stores they have plain clothed guards. these are what you have to really watch out for. i have nearly been caught by them so many times. and the only time i was caught was by one of them. be aware of the people around you, if you think one of them is following you, suddenly go to another area of the shop, if they go the same way as you, you go to another area, if they keep it up leave. they tend to follow people who look dodgy and they will follow them the whole time they are in there

[Beyond]

Originally Posted by richierichtx

I know at barns & noble if you flip through the pages, you will find a RFID security tag just loosely in between some random pages, you just have to take it out.

I was just about to say that. Barnes and Noble and even Wal Mart now employ embedded HF, Passive RFID tags.

[hellsgateman]

Originally Posted by DeathToSociety

Monster and candy bars won't set off alarms, seriously though if you need to ask about shoplifting, you fail as a criminal.

fail indeed but one method that's been working or me is as follows
1.grab shit
2.go to toilet and take it out of the plastic
3.set the toilet paper on fire pull the alarm and go out the fire door

[ocdave67]

Just something to add to this post. The detectors at the doors are basically useless. The staff of stores are told that there is nothing they can do if you set one off. Now if your followed by a detective or caught on camera they will be waiting for you to leave and your busted. Too many times I have made legit purchases of items with strips only to have the checker not deactivate them properly, and when going out I have set them off. The first few times this would happen I would stop, try to find the offending item and then I would have to find a checker to deactivate the strip properly. However now when it happens I just keep walking and I have Never, I repeat NEVER have had a store employee chase me down to examine the items in my cart. I have had a few people in that entry way give me strange looks after setting one off but I don't really care. I just keep going to my car and left. Just an FYI post.

[bloodlusta]

this is another example of what happens when people arn't paid enough to care

[Trambo.45]

First im gonna start by sayin that the first priority when doin anything illegal should be gettin away with it. whats the point of doing a crime if you know ur just gonna get cought. so before you do anything, you need to be at least 85% sure that ur gonna be able to get away with it.
the one trick I know about stealin stuff from stores is tin foil, i dont know if someone has already mentioned it, to be honest im too lazy to read all of threads right now.
Tin foil will block the sensor tags, although I've only done this with the sticker kind, have not used on big tags.tin foil works great. I used to work at a grocery store, I was there for about 3 months. I didnt get that much, just a bottle of Jager meister,(limited addition, came a tin case), a bottle of johnny walker wiskey, and of course a bottle of jack daniels.
all three times I wrapped the bottles in tin foil and was able to just walk out the front door. with tin foil you can line anything, line pockets in a jacket or pants, you can line the inside of a back pack and stick what ever the hell you want with it.
another tip, this is only for the begging proffesional, obviosley this is for more than just a free soda or bottle, this is to come the fuck up.
for all the small timers, this is above you.
if you really want to come up on a place what better way then to work there. "but I already have a job" you might say, doesn't matter, go to an electronics store or something, try to get hired part time, sure you'll be getting extra money but the main goal is to learn how to store works, find out who works security, where the camera's are, where motion detectors are installed, little shit like that,if you really want to go all out, try to learn the alarm code,and safe combo. also very important. when you start woking in the store, you have to kiss major ass, kick ass in what ever you do there, hell if you can, try to become employe of the month, what you want to do is make them think that you are loyal and on their side and all that bull shit, basically you want them to trust you.
Now as for taking ur share. once you get the whole system down, you can go about robbin the place in two ways.
1: pocket things peice by piece, for ex. if the target store is an electronics store you start taking mp3's, portable dvd players, phones ect.
you can either make bank selling them or just keep it for your self and live large.
2:Get a small team to together and just flat out rob the place in the middle of the night, where lets say you close the store up, oops!! you were so tire and stressed out over the death or your......pet goldfish? (or what ever you want) and you forgot to lock the back door. pull up a van or truck and start loading T.V.'s, stereo's, home theatre system's.$$$$$ or live like a king.
(option 2 would require learning alarm code)
Note:You should work there for at least 3-4 months before attempting anything. remember, the more they trust you the less they will suspect you.

[Pimpin4life30]

Did i mention i stole a 200 dollar rock?LOLz.The only reason i stole cause it was 200 dollars.It had crystals in it pretty cool.

[master lurtz]

A very long time ago some very wise people invented a buatiful thing called puncuation. Your very infrequent use of puncuation made your post a headace to read and make sense of. General consensus is that you use CAPITAL letters at the start of a sentince in order to make it easier to read, and leave a space between a fullstop and a capital letter.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

In English, punctuation is vital to disambiguate the meaning of sentences.

Originally Posted by Trambo.45

i dont know if someone has already mentioned it, to be honest im too lazy to read all of threads right now.

Yes, a very good looking fella by the name Master Lurtz has mentiond this , in the future it might pay to read at least the first page of a thread, if not more.

If you are in to much of a hurry, or to lazy, to post an language that is relativly readible then please don't post at all.



Pimpin4life30, I know what thats like, for some unexplained reason whenever I go into a shop that is selling things that are a ripoff I always seem to leave with full pockets!

[bloodlusta]

Originally Posted by Trambo.45

First im gonna start by sayin that the first priority when doin anything illegal should be gettin away with it.

The obvious. consider it stated.

also i don't really care about about punctuation much i failed english back in school, but put a BLOODY PARAGRAPH IN!!!!

(also lurtz, you spelt beautiful wrong. im not sure if this is a joke or not?)

[master lurtz]

Hahaha thats a bloody good one coming from somone who doesnt know how to use capitals!
And no, that was actually a genuine spelling mistake, as I stated in the flaws therad I cannot spell at all, I do however know how to use the shift key in order to incur a capital letter.
Just because you were stupid enough to somehow manage to fail NCEA english does not give you an excuse to type badly, your obvous lack of captial letters in all your posts is more than just a genuine, occasional mistake.


Anyway, back on topic, shoplifting............

[bloodlusta]

Rofl.

Any way....

I tried out a new trick today and it seemed to work well. Get your jeans and cut a slit on the inside of one of the pockets, then underneath your jeans you wear a pair of shorts. When you take something you put it through the slip into your shorts pocket. That way if the say 'turn out you pockets' you can and they won't see anything.

(is that grammar better lurtz? lol)

[Heartshock]

Okay for one im not really new to these forums ive been here for years i just dont post much because i dont have much to contribute =\

On a different note.
Tommorow, i plan on going to my local Wal-Mart its the only wal-mart or sort of superstore in
my town and i plan on taking 2 PSP batterys and 2 Memory sticks for PSP's of course and i will put the 2 of each items in different locations in the shoe department of the store then the NEXT day i plan on coming in with 3 of my buddys and grab a box of shoes while holding the items under the box i will then try the shoes and lean as far forward as i can to slit the boxes open i will then put a battery in each of MY shoes that i bring and 2 memory cards in each shoe i will then put the shoes back with the PSP garbage in the shoe box and casually walk out with my buddys buying a pack of socks and a coke on the way out using the self checkout of course Now can anyone tell me if they can think of any flaws with this plan? i will be using one of those razor knives and if trouble arises i can always just cut my losses and come back another day? because i wont necessarily LEAVE the premesis with anything thanks for the help guys. as far as ive seen this forum is great :3

[Paranoid Ecstasy]

Just watch out for security, workers, customers and cameras.
Have both friends be look out.
I would just pocket them and go to the bathroom.
While in the bathroom, cut them out of the boxes.

[Heartshock]

Yes that would be a good plan exept with a few flaws ok so i go to the electronic and put these 4 items that are relatively small into my pocket which COULD give the security (if there is any present at the time) the thought that im stealing it ONE thing that dosent help is the bathrooms are past the tills and beside the exit that wouldent look pretty on camera at all plus im always scared that i will come out of that bathroom with a few security fellahs waiting for me asking where the items went? of course i could hide the items in the top flusher system of the toilet but the security fellahs could check me and keep me until i tell them where the items went? UNLESS now this is a new plan i take the 4 items in question and head out to the plant section pocket the items and THEN head to the bathroom with less suspicion but i have the feeling that if i carry out little bits of the plan at seperate times it wont be so suspicious such as take the items in question move them to my blind spot walk out and come back maybe 2 hours later after some lunch get the items in question and go to the bathroom with my knife cut the items and stick the garbage in the top of the toilet and possibly leave the items there AGAIN for a coast-clear check and if its clear ill go get a pop from the checkout go to the pooper get my items and leave ONE more thing thats bothering me is that isnt it a little wierd for a guy under 18 to be looking at plants when summers over? just a question like where else could i go? thats why i was thinking shoes

[bloodlusta]

if your wearing long pants then you should try this.
Pick the good up, like your looking at it. bring out the knife and cut the box open while holding it up. the moment it is out of the box flick it up your sleeve. next put the box back and bend down like your tying your shoes, while doing this slip the goods into your sock.

Note: this takes some skill, practice before you do it. me and my mates used to spend hours practicing. now i can do it without anybody releasing.

if this is to hard just use the double pocket trick i mentioned before.

[Heartshock]

nah man i cant do it like that because i have a horrible habit of thinking about something for too long if i were to do this i would stand there with the knife in my hand listening for like 10m THATS suspicious this happened to me when i once stole a wireless router from a store i had the router in my hands and i was walking out of the store i heard HEY YOU and i sprinted like fuck but they kept up i ducked into a backland and i seen a half open gate i could have easily slipped into the backyard and hid out under the deck i saw but nah i just froze there thinking about it i know its stupid and i dont know why i do it but i do this way if i can pull it off i will have all the time in the world to cut the merchandise out in the bathroom without many worrys thats why i like this plan i admit you are a much more experienced shoplifter than me and i have stolen many things but usually just by luck of the quick im sorry haha but i think im sticking to taking the merchandise to my secluded area coming back 2 hours later pocketing it and going to the bathroom for the steal but do you guys think it would be even better if i put the battery and memory card IN my psp when i leave? that way they REALLY cant find anything on me and i still get away with my loot

[master lurtz]

Your origonal plan sounds the best, you dont nessacerily need to be in the shoe isle though, any secluded part of the shop will be fine. Another method you could use is to open something that comes in a box, and full the box with said items and then pay for the boxed item, this works quite well for stealing large numbers of expensive electronics items.

If you have a problem of getting nervouse try drinking a little before hand to loosen up (but not to much!!)

You could have nothing more useful than a good group of relayable mates that wond freak on you of somthing goes wrong. You may also want to work out a warning system befoerhand (whistle, cough etc.)

Goodluck.