The 'Official' Shoplifting & Retail Fraud Thread

[qwatt]

I need you guys to help me perfect this plan.
1. Get 4 people
2.There are no security camras
3.there are 2-3 people working there
4.We want fireworks
5. The fireworks are very close to the door
6.People 1,2,3 distract the workers and other people i.e ask for information on a product
7. person 4 takes a big box of fireworks and walks out

[Doc12]

Stores located adjacent to the street instead of inside a mall - they're not usually monitored via CCTV by clerk or someone in the back room, right?

All those times the clerk is staring at their computer screen, they're just on excel or playing solitaire, right? :|

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by qwatt

I need you guys to help me perfect this plan.
1. Get 4 people
2.There are no security camras
3.there are 2-3 people working there
4.We want fireworks
5. The fireworks are very close to the door
6.People 1,2,3 distract the workers and other people i.e ask for information on a product
7. person 4 takes a big box of fireworks and walks out

You call that a plan? That's a grab and run, not Ocean's 11.
Kids these days?

[bloodlusta]

Thats bloody awful!

I agree with shetlan, why would you bother distracting the workers, there not going to chase you, and if they do just flick out a knife and they back off real quick.

You want to try a real mans heist try my jewelry one a few pages back. Or Master Lurtz's modified version of mine to use on Ipods ect.

[Doc12]

I've noticed there's a few Nzers here. Did you know we have no "concealing goods" law like some U.S. states do? This is a great advantage; you can legally stuff shit down your clothes, and if anyone notices, you can 'discretly' put the shit back. Also, store security can't legally force a bag check on you, but they can make a citizen's arrest if you walk out of the store with their stuff.

Source: h**p://www.youthlaw.co.nz/default.aspx?_z=49

EDIT: actually certain actions can still amount to theft if you haven't left the store, but generally not just concealing.

[bloodlusta]

Are you a kiwi?

Yea and shop workers often don't care because it just means more hassle from them and if their wrong they will get in a ton of shit for it

[master lurtz]

Originally Posted by qwatt

I need you guys to help me perfect this plan.
1. Get 4 people
2.There are no security camras
3.there are 2-3 people working there
4.We want fireworks
5. The fireworks are very close to the door
6.People 1,2,3 distract the workers and other people i.e ask for information on a product
7. person 4 takes a big box of fireworks and walks out

That IS awful! and I know it isn't any classy oceans shit, but putting on a quick disguise (wig or something) and doing a grab and run can be a lot quicker and easier than other forms of lifting, especially if they are keeping bigger sized things near the door. But it simply isn't worth it for smaller value things, like fireworks.

If you must go through with your your evil plan then I can offer you this... be patient, wait for the right moment to make the grab and make sure that you aren't seen with your accomplices by anyone, don't even make eye contact. And disguises can be fun and give you a good peace of mind too. Also have a hiding place nearby, or a vehicle ready for a quick get away, put your vehicle a few blocks away. If you do get chased and you can get some time on your pursuer's then hide the goods in a bush and remove your disguise or change your shirt because they will be looking for someone xxx high wearing an orange colored shirt with long blond hair or whatever, it will then become possible for you to 'hide in plain sight' so to speak. You can then go back and collect your gear later, or hit the same shop again...

Idn if that's any help, im not really in any state to be thinking right now

[demonicMAGE!]

can anyone tell me how to create barcodes for Walmart, Target, etc so you can print them and stick them on boxes?

I've heard of people doing this IE get an $120 electric shaver and put a barcode on it for a cheap razor of the same brand and pay $10 for it.

then you can either keep it or return it without a receipt and get a gift card, free groceries

[demonicMAGE!]

anonym.to - free dereferer service

Can somebody tell me how to know what settings I need to use for the barcode maker?

and where's the best places to do returns? meaning they wont look at your ID, and will take items worth a lot without questions. i'm pretty sure target requires ID or receipt with anything over $35 so that's a no-go

[dvdking10]

so i been getting clothes in the malls for quite a while now but im sick of the little stuff. i have been getting stuff from places such as nordstroms, macys, lord and taylor. etc. BUT i been doing it by just wearing it under my clothes. i read around and did some research about the magic bag trip the foil. can anyone confirm that this will work? ALSO i was at hollister today and i saw a guy shovel a pile of shirts into a bag and if anyone has been to hollister you know all there clothes have sensors on them and there are no security cameras. after he does this he walks right out of the store with no alarm or anything! i was flabbergasted by this. i wanted to follow him and talk to him but i was kinda scared to approach him, mayof thought i was a cop lol.

[Atma]

I'd like to know more about magic bags too. I heard that they only work for certain kinds of tags; is it true?

Another thing: the other day I went into an FYE at the mall, carrying a JC Penny bag which I filled with two DVD box sets, one costing $60 and the other $130 (after attempting to remove the security tags, of course). As I walked out, I tripped the alarm. Usually, the cashier tells anyone who trips the alarm to go on their way because half the people that walk out set it off due to the cashier's apparent inability to deactivate their merchandise. I bought a $12 DVD as a decoy in case I were to trip the alarm (multiple security tags?). When I did the cashier told me to come to the front desk. He told me to empty my bag, and I took out the less inexpensive item. The guy turned around to call another one of the employees, and as he did, put the more expensive item under a shelf attached to the front of the cashier's desk. The two guys gave me shit about how they were going to call the police and how I was a disgusting criminal. I put on a frightened expression and went on about how I was "really sorry"; they then told me that I'm not allowed to enter any FYE-owned store and I left. Thinking back, I could have/should have just ran out when I tripped the alarm; the mall's exit would have taken 10 seconds to get to.

[irishlucksean@mac.com]

any tips on how to steal aalcohol nowadays? recently they have been adding all those black security caps to liquor and have alot of cameras...

[xualse]

you could either get a neodymium magnet to remove the tags or do a grab n run. simples.

[irishlucksean@mac.com]

well we are underage so it is a little bit harder, still not hard but getting riskier...how does the magnet thing work? cuz they have these big black caps on most of them now- looks like this http://www.securityproductsinc.com/images/bottle3.jpg

[xdkx]

Discussing the walmart barcode thing, I wasnt going to get that advanced with it so i just purchased one $10 fishing reel. I cut off the barcode, put a piece of double sided sticky tape on the back of it, went back into walmart, grabbed a $60 reel. Bought it for $10 from the self checkout and returned it for $60 with no receipt.

[xualse]

Originally Posted by irishlucksean@mac.com

well we are underage so it is a little bit harder, still not hard but getting riskier...how does the magnet thing work? cuz they have these big black caps on most of them now- looks like this http://www.securityproductsinc.com/images/bottle3.jpg

Hmmm... i'm underage too. I know how hard it is (even though i said simples lol). Ummm....... The tags where I live are different to the tag you've just shown me. Maybe they use magnets too? I don't know. Maybe someone else can shed somelight on that. The only other thing I could suggest is going into a paki store / corner shop and bagging it. Just grab it and put it in your bag. They won't have tags on thier alcohol as far as i know. Another thing you could do is just make friends with older people (hard if your not very social like me). If you have an older brother/sister who is able to buy it then just ask them outright. They were your age too and probably drank. The best thing I could have done is tell my sister I smoked and drank. She understood as she smokes and she drank at my age.

[xualse]

ok, i don't know what's going on here but i got an email notification saying you replied to my post but it's not showing up on here. I'll just quote what it said in the email...

yaa well i have some older kids that could buy for me but its pretty expensive hah so wat are those smaller stores u are talking bout? cuz all i knw of thats smaller are the liquor stores but u have to be 21 to go in...any good methods u got?

Basically i mean just general convenience stores. They sell beer in the fridges near the back. If you don't like beer just get some cider. Hmmmm apply goodness xD

Another method you could utilize is just, ya know, stealk loads of stuff that people usually buy in town and sell it to them cheaper than the shop. Like, just steal a load of coke (not the drug, the drink lol) and sell itfor half the price to poeple on the street or at school. Hey presto, money for alcohol.

Good luck!

[tomone]

i have heard about people who put tin fiol around the insides of a bag, to aviod the sensors going off when u walk out, and to test it to work u pull a mobile phone in and try and ring it, if it doesnt ring (no signal\) then it shud avoid trippin the alarms, jus wanted to know if anyone else had done it???

[xualse]

Yes, people are known to do that and it does work. However, these can be detected by new technologies, and these "magic bags" certainly do not look good if you get caught. I'd stick with removing the tags as opposed to blocking out the signal. Removing tags is a lot easier than most people think. It's either a crap little sticker or an ink tag (most of which don't actually contain any ink). Just remove the sticker/ink tag and you're done! Now, there are two main ways to remove an ink tag. The easiest (and most cheapest) is to just pull on both sides of it until it comes off. Some ink tags are really weak. I got one off in under 30 seconds. This is not, however, the best method. Some tags are next to impossible to pry off just by hand. Invest in a neodymium magnet (of power N48 or higher) and place the metal part of the ink tag on it. Now pull the other side of the tag and it'll come right off. This is what they do at the tills in the shops to take the ink tag off.

Good luck.

(N.B. If you opt for a magnet, don't put it near your wallet or it'll wipe the data off of it. Also, keep it away from anything electronic like your computer or television. These are very powerful magnets and should be handled with care)

[tomone]

Thanks mate, i have found a supiler in the uk which sells N50, does it matter what shape or sizr the magnet is? would this work on the tags that are on clothes ?

[xualse]

the size and shape shouldn't mattewr, but a circular one with a dip in the middle would be great. Yeah, this will work on all ink tags as far as I know.

[noodels]

Originally Posted by xualse

the size and shape shouldn't mattewr, but a circular one with a dip in the middle would be great. Yeah, this will work on all ink tags as far as I know.

Well, I'm pretty sure they have ink tags in New Jersey where I live, I once saw an employee accidentally pass a sweatshirt through the entrance and it splashed ink.

Well, I think i have a VERY simple solution to taking them off. Well first, if they make a sound when they go off, this plan won't work, but what if you got some bounty paper towels and put it around your hand and tugged REALLY hard on em, and if they go off, nothing happens, just some ink on your Bounty =P

sounds simple, but i think it could be effective, please give feedback on this idea

[xualse]

Originally Posted by noodels

Well, I'm pretty sure they have ink tags in New Jersey where I live, I once saw an employee accidentally pass a sweatshirt through the entrance and it splashed ink.

Well, I think i have a VERY simple solution to taking them off. Well first, if they make a sound when they go off, this plan won't work, but what if you got some bounty paper towels and put it around your hand and tugged REALLY hard on em, and if they go off, nothing happens, just some ink on your Bounty =P

sounds simple, but i think it could be effective, please give feedback on this idea

The only flaw in your plan is the whole pulling them apart thing. Ink tags are very hard to remove. They use strong magnets and it would look suspicious trying to pull off an ink tag for 10 minutes.

[tomone]

Originally Posted by Mentos

New technique:

you want an item from wal-mart but they only have one on the shelf?

requirement: 2 seperate wal-mart's have 1 each of a high dollar value item

buy item from wal-mart 1

take item to wal-mart 2 with receipt, like you are going to return it to get the sticker the greeter gives you

wailk around and then leave, telling the greeter the receipt was over 90 days old and they wouldn't take it.

Now you have the receipt, item, and a return sticker

go back inside the other door and pick up the exact same item

take it to customer service with recpeit and return sticker and return it for a full refund

you now have item for free

anyone else done this before?

There is a much more simple way of doing this. you buy item, take recept to same shop at a later time or watever pick the item off the shelf que up and return it, no doubt some one has already told you this but im not going to check...

[P-TownClepto]

So, I've been lurking these forums for the past couple of weeks, and decided I'd make my first post.

Anywho, I've been doing the whole "retail fraud" thing for quite a while now. Perhaps the only reason I started in the first place was because I've been unemployed since the middle of January of this year, times were getting tough, and I had just about exhausted my unemployment benefits whilst still searching for a job.

When I first started my streak of mischievous acts, I started out small. I'd usually go to my local Safeway or Wal-Mart Super Center and grab one of those re-usable sacs made of that weird fabric which almost feels like carpet. I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about. So, I'd make my way around the store, mostly the grocery section, and pick out what I needed for the week and place it in the bag; which, btw, was on my shoulder as if it were a man-purse. When the bag filled up, I would simply walk out of the store, like I had paid for it..... ;-) Now, I did this for a good 2 to 3 weeks, alternating between a couple different stores in different locations (SafeWay, Thriftway, Fred Meyer, WinCo, etc), until I eventually filled up my whole pantry and was set for a good month. I got bored with "buying" food real fast.

This is where it gets interesting. Since I was bored with stealing food items, I decided it was time to move onto bigger and better items. I tried my local Fred Meyer, which is kinda like Wally World (walmart), except its cleaner, the staff are friendlier and more knowledgeable, and it isn't ghetto as all mighty hell. I thought, maybe I'll try a DVD player. So, I walked around, acting as if I was comparing DVD players, picked up the most expensive one they had (theres a catch to this....just wait), yanked off the sensor sticker thing, and casually walked out. Now, this is the best part. At Fred Meyer, you can return anything up to 3x without a receipt up to $300 per 90 days. So, what I did was; I returned the merchandise, and since I didn't have a receipt, they put the full refund amount on a FM gift card. I then took the FM gift card, and used it to purchase 2 $100 Visa GC's and a Starbucks GC. I did this up until I had exhausted my return limit at FM, and I moved on to Wally World where I did the exact same thing. So, all this took place within about 3 weeks, the whole Fred Meyer thing, that is....and once again, I got bored since I could no longer return anything.

So, I started taking even BIGGER things. I started calling a couple different retailers posing as their partner stores to find out what their LP schedules and policies were. One store I found to be perfect was Lowes (hard ware store). Their policy is that the store associates are NOT allowed to chase you. So what'd I do? Well, I'll tell you what I did. I rented one of those big Dodge diesel pickups; I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, the ones with the Cummins Turbo Diesels.... Anywho, I pulled right to the front of the store, where they have those propane grills, the big expensive ones. Well, me and my friend hopped out, loaded the grill up, and took off. What'd we do with it, well, it's sitting on my deck....I dunno how to use it.....lol

[Deathrock]

Does anyone have any tips for stealing from Sephora? It's an expensive makeup store found at the mall. Sometimes they're located within department stores, but there's one by itself at my local mall. Fortunately there are aisles (so you don't have to risk stealing makeup from behind a counter), no cameras, no sensors on anything, and no mirrors. But the place is always crawling with employees that are scanning the area like crazy!

I managed to steal a lipstick from there the other day, but it took forever. I grabbed the lipstick, walked around the store with my inconspicuous friend while holding it, and eventually found a deserted aisle and dropped it into my purse.

I want to be able to quickly snatch something off a shelf and either put it in my purse or down my sleeve, but I get this feeling in the pit of my stomach like someone's going to notice. Each item there is about $20. That's $20 for one stick of lipstick, $20 for one tube of eyeliner, etc. It's absolutely outrageous.

I steal cheap makeup from stores like Fred Meyer, Wal Mart, Target, and Safeway all the time, but I'm sick of stealing makeup that sucks. I want the quality shit!

[tomone]

Originally Posted by Deathrock

Does anyone have any tips for stealing from Sephora? It's an expensive makeup store found at the mall. Sometimes they're located within department stores, but there's one by itself at my local mall. Fortunately there are aisles (so you don't have to risk stealing makeup from behind a counter), no cameras, no sensors on anything, and no mirrors. But the place is always crawling with employees that are scanning the area like crazy!

I managed to steal a lipstick from there the other day, but it took forever. I grabbed the lipstick, walked around the store with my inconspicuous friend while holding it, and eventually found a deserted aisle and dropped it into my purse.

I want to be able to quickly snatch something off a shelf and either put it in my purse or down my sleeve, but I get this feeling in the pit of my stomach like someone's going to notice. Each item there is about $20. That's $20 for one stick of lipstick, $20 for one tube of eyeliner, etc. It's absolutely outrageous.

I steal cheap makeup from stores like Fred Meyer, Wal Mart, Target, and Safeway all the time, but I'm sick of stealing makeup that sucks. I want the quality shit!

You shouldn't feel nervous, yeah they expect that kind of thing a lot in those kind of shops, but the way i see it, if you feel nervous, you look nervous. There is not a secret way of shoplifting, anyone can do it so there isn't much i can tell you to do. Maybe try pick up two and put back one? I like nicking stuff while employees are near me because i feel they wont expect it right under their noses.

Also, one really important thing. Its not shoplifting unless you leave the shop. You could go around putting anything you want in your bag but you cant get done for anything until you walk out the door. f i ever think someone might be on to me i walk to the door and just before i walk out i stop and turn around, to check if any employee is following me ready to stop me. If there is, i just stare them in the eyes with a smile on my face trying to hide the embarrassment i feel having to put what i was planning on stealing back. Even if you are caught then the only people allowed to search you is police, so when they take you some where to wait for the police (this wont always happen, its never happened to me) you just need to get rid of what ever you had on you. Hope this has helped , unless you are an emo boy who wears make up then i regret wasting my time writing this.

[bloodlusta]

Everyone gets that sick feeling when they first start. But what you needed to realize is that the last thing the staff want to do is say someone is shoplifting because if they are wrong they will lose their job.

I would imagine lipstick would be the prefect thing to shoplift because it is high value for small size. Simply take if off the shelf and put in in your purse. Do it slowly and without looking at it.

Try picking something up with your other hand a pretend to read the back, while you are doing this use your other hand to take the lip stick and put it in your purse. If they shout at you simply walk out of the shop I would imagine you are in America so if they grab you just claim sexual assault.

Last year a kiwi in America tapped a woman on the shoulder and told her to put her phone away in the movies, she stormed out and got the police and had him do for sexual assault, so i would imagine grabbing you would be even more serous.

[death-of-light]

how the fuck- is tapping someone on the shoulder sexual assault?

[P-TownClepto]

So I was recently at the Apple Store in my local mall, checking out there headphone selection. I noticed that, even with the most high-end headphones, there were no indications that there were any sensors or whatnot to deter theft.

However, when I walked over to the Sony Style store, you could clearly tell that there were sensors on everything as soon as you step foot thru the door; and that security guard standing there doesn't help much either.

So, my question to my fellow forum members iss: Do any of you know if the Apple Retail Store has any sort of loss prevention policy, such as sensor tagging that I should be aware of? I saw some really nice headphones that I want, but just can't justify paying almost $250 for them.