How to make counterfeit money and blank checks(complete freebase method) - Page 14

sxyxtxaxkxw · #**391** (**permalink**) 06-26-2009, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by shetlan

The lye method doesn't take an hour, I'm not sure where you got that.

I got that from you.

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Originally Posted by shetlan

Supplies:

2: Wear gloves when inserting the bill and push it all the way to the bottom of the container. No floating. Let it sit for one hour.

His sat for 10 minutes, and specifically stated, "no longer".

If starch spray was to be used, wouldn't the pen show the bill as a counterfeit? The only thing I can think for the starch spray was that he used it to help flatten the bill he scanned when ironed.

shetlan · #**392** (**permalink**) 06-26-2009, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sxyxtxaxkxw

His sat for 10 minutes, and specifically stated, "no longer".

If starch spray was to be used, wouldn't the pen show the bill as a counterfeit? The only thing I can think for the starch spray was that he used it to help flatten the bill he scanned when ironed.

He said to microwave it for a minute and leave it sit for ten minutes - if you microwave the lye solution, you can cut it down to.

If the starch was used, it would certainly make the bill signal on the pen test. If he was reasonably smart, he would have gotten a fresh crips $100 for his sample bill.

MurderSkillz · #**393** (**permalink**) 06-26-2009, 03:53 PM

I am sure there are other methods to making a bill feel crisp other than using starch and failing the pen test. Which is the main reason next to feeling for using a real bill to print on. I know for sure my bills that I have done with lye feel pretty damn crisp to me. I used pretty much brand new bills though.

sxyxtxaxkxw · #**394** (**permalink**) 06-26-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MurderSkillz

I am sure there are other methods to making a bill feel crisp other than using starch and failing the pen test. Which is the main reason next to feeling for using a real bill to print on. I know for sure my bills that I have done with lye feel pretty damn crisp to me. I used pretty much brand new bills though.

Exactly what I was thinking. That's why I was curious as to why he has starch.

Some people mix starch with things such as lemon juice to remove ink stains. Is it possible he sprayed it on the bill then used the degreaser to remove the ink from the bill? Sort of like a catalyst?

bostonboy · #**395** (**permalink**) 06-27-2009, 07:38 PM

I wont start this with please give me.....insted I will give first and if anyone has they can then give me....The pen test, I asked you guys to try the deodarent and I think most of you had it work for you. Now try this, get bills from other countrys. Why? All bills MUST pass the pen test irespective of where they are printed. So, you get a bill from say Honduras where the exchange is 18 to 1 and you print on it after cleanning it. I know that murderskillz looked down on this before but it works. PM me if you want some sent to you.
Ok, now if that helped you and you have access to a well scanned $50. please let me know and or email it to me if you can.
Also I am ussing the canon mp160, dont laugh, but I cat get it to print from the scan anyone have ideas?

sxyxtxaxkxw · #**396** (**permalink**) 06-28-2009, 01:15 AM

Alright, so I was doing some research on the method demonstrated in the video I referenced earlier. I will test tomorrow, but I honestly think it will work better than the lye solution. I'll state my primary reason.

The reason the lye works is because the fabric based paper of money isn't affected by the extremely basic properties of lye, yet the metal ink is. The pH of lye is 12.4, basic is 7 maximum possible is 14. So that is obviously extremely basic, thus it dissolves the ink.

The Purp1e Power industrial degreaser pH is 13.3 at full concentration and 12.2 at 10% degreaser, 90% water. So at full concentration, logically it will work better than lye mixed with water.

Also, the pH will drop in the lye solution because it is mixed with water. Also, using a pre-made solution such as Purp1e power removes any possibility of adding too much/too little lye and is convenient.

Sources:

pH of purp1e power
Google Viewer

ph of lye
pH and alkalinity

I'll report on my findings.

@boston boy, I'll shoot you a PM on monday (it's saturday night here) of a good looking $50 and a brand new $100 bill. I used to have scans but I deleted them for some reason.

ttrp · #**397** (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 08:11 PM

Hello me again ,the Canadian, I managed to get to find a 1979 Bill the other day! Im hoping to read up on this thread again, and see if it works for this old school tender

patron · #**398** (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 08:35 PM

hi there,

i have a good amount of black dollars, and there should be a chemical to clean it!!!

may i know what is this chemical or how to get it ??

thanks

carla884@hotmail.com

patron · #**399** (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 08:37 PM

dear all,

i have a good amount of black dollars, and there should be a chemical to clean it!!!

may i know what is this chemical or how to get it ??

thanks

carla884@hotmail.com

shetlan · #**400** (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by patron

dear all,

i have a good amount of black dollars, and there should be a chemical to clean it!!!

may i know what is this chemical or how to get it ??

thanks

carla884@hotmail.com

"Black dollar"? Did the President issue some new currency? He he.

Let me guess:
Someone told you that the bills where stolen from some government building, and they where colored black to prevent theft. They then demonstrated a chemical that can clean the bills to a pristeen circulation finish. They then sold you the "black dollars".

Patron, you've been scammed buddy. If you have what are typically referred to as "black dollars", you've got newspaper painted black.

richierichtx · #**401** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by shetlan

"Black dollar"? Did the President issue some new currency? He he.

Let me guess:
Someone told you that the bills where stolen from some government building, and they where colored black to prevent theft. They then demonstrated a chemical that can clean the bills to a pristeen circulation finish. They then sold you the "black dollars".

Patron, you've been scammed buddy. If you have what are typically referred to as "black dollars", you've got newspaper painted black.

This was a scam that I really never understood how people could fall for. The reason being, if it is true that all you need to do is wash them in a chemical bath, and the seller has the said chemical. Then why would he sell them? He would just wash them all.

TheMagicMan · #**402** (**permalink**) 07-14-2009, 06:32 PM

Alright well im about ready to give this a go, ive been reading the thread and im just not sure which method to use? I wanna start out small... i wanna just make a couple 20's which cleaning method would be better the acetone, lye, or the oven cleaner and im a little confused with the printing part can somone give me some suggestions... thanks

hottieelmo · #**403** (**permalink**) 07-14-2009, 10:25 PM

Swim has some 24lb 25% cotton paper which feels pretty damn real, however when he attempts to photocopy some paper it is hard for him to line it up to print double sided any tips?

MurderSkillz · #**404** (**permalink**) 07-15-2009, 02:06 AM

To the magic man and hottie. I have explained both ways the best I can. I use photoshop to align my fronts and backs of the bills.

TheMagicMan · #**405** (**permalink**) 07-15-2009, 11:16 PM

Yeah thanks i finally read the whole thread acetone is in nail polish remover if im correct so can i just use that or do i have to buy it pure?

shetlan · #**406** (**permalink**) 07-16-2009, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMagicMan

Yeah thanks i finally read the whole thread acetone is in nail polish remover if im correct so can i just use that or do i have to buy it pure?

Apparently you didn't read the whole thread, or you would have seen the part where the acetone method was deemed "useless" and/or "ineffective" by multiple posters.

bostonboy · #**407** (**permalink**) 07-19-2009, 03:56 PM

Ok I should not even give you boys anythinga as you never even say thank you for what I do post. But I love you guys.......The watermark can be made by pressure on the paper before printing OR reducing the thickness of the paper in the area one wishes. I got that from murderskilz, but it got me thinking. All I need to do is make the are thinner! So I use the most corosive drain openner I could buy. Place it around the area you wish and wait about 3-5 minutes, keep a good eye on the paper it should start to turn brown in the are that means its burnning. Then just wash it off and you should have a new thin layer of paper that when placed in the light, well is translucent!!!!I will post my paypal again later for any thanks, ahhh thats a joke murderskilz just the paypal part is a joke.

Easy Street · #**408** (**permalink**) 07-22-2009, 02:22 PM

This being my first post, I would like to thank everyone who has contributed their time and effort into this project. The research and workmanship that has been performed to date has made the learning curve infinitely more manageable.

I started attempting to perfect the creation of bills from scratch using 100% 24lb Cotton paper. Once I can get over a few hurdles, I hope to begin work on watermarking and possibly UV recognition.

As of now, my issues lie with alignment. Shetlan, if I read correctly, you stated you were using the Canon MP190 for simple a simple copy method. Obviously this was the most logical place to start, as it takes the least time. I purchased the mp190, and I am having the hardest time getting my alignment correct. Is there a specific method you have to ensure the alignment is accurate? I have tried several different methods, and none seem to be fool proof nor do they guard against human error.

I have tried marking dimensions with tape, measuring the offset and trying to account for it, I have spent several hours just trying to get the damn things to line up to no avail. I also purchased an MP860 or 890 (don't recall right now) for the double sided printing, simply to jump this hurdle, and damned if the copier doesn't recognize the size of the bill and not allow double sided printing. So, essentially, I am back at square one.

Thank you for any and all help, and hopefully once I can get some decent looking bills to come out, I can continue some R&D and see if we can't get through some of the security stuff.

P41NK1LL3Rx · #**409** (**permalink**) 07-26-2009, 08:40 PM

what of re-producing the Strip and encodeing it??? hehe!!!
ive been werkin on that fer a bit but im Stumped!!!

sxyxtxaxkxw · #**410** (**permalink**) 07-27-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bostonboy

Ok I should not even give you boys anythinga as you never even say thank you for what I do post. But I love you guys.......The watermark can be made by pressure on the paper before printing OR reducing the thickness of the paper in the area one wishes. I got that from murderskilz, but it got me thinking. All I need to do is make the are thinner! So I use the most corosive drain openner I could buy. Place it around the area you wish and wait about 3-5 minutes, keep a good eye on the paper it should start to turn brown in the are that means its burnning. Then just wash it off and you should have a new thin layer of paper that when placed in the light, well is translucent!!!!I will post my paypal again later for any thanks, ahhh thats a joke murderskilz just the paypal part is a joke.

That idea is wrong. It would be a reverse of the real watermark. Wash the bill in a solution and then look at it. You can see that the watermark is made from an increase in paper, that's why the bill is see-through when you hold it up to the slight. Good try but no.

P41NK1LL3Rx · #**411** (**permalink**) 07-27-2009, 02:50 AM

bullshit , its how the REAL pros do it !! with Stamping Dies , but esier to do with inkjet "Modification" of the orig watermark ,.... lincoln into Franklin = easy just give him a bald head (really it looks good and ALL of the REAL Originals look fuckin wierd anyways ....no? just get a handfull of Fivers and look at ALL of them and youll Swear some are Fake !!! try it I Dare you,...Really !!!)

shetlan · #**412** (**permalink**) 07-27-2009, 09:07 AM

You can add an image of Franklin with no more than a coin with his face on it. There are assorted dollar and half-dollar coins with his face on one side. That, clamp, a piece of wood, and lots of patience can get you a usable watermark after a few hours.

Security strips can be duplicated using a clear label embedded between two sheets of really thin paper - assuming you can find paper thin enough to use.

Incidentally, I recently discovered that you can beat pen tests by rubbing a layer of chapstick on the bill - then gently wiping it off. Producing a "micro-layer" is the idea.

MurderSkillz · #**413** (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 06:16 AM

Well ya. I said earlier pretty much anything that creates a barrier will work. Just as long as it don't make the bill feel weird.

shetlan · #**414** (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MurderSkillz

Well ya. I said earlier pretty much anything that creates a barrier will work. Just as long as it don't make the bill feel weird.

I suggest chapstick because it has a similar composition to the actual coating of dollar bills, and it will go on without smudging the ink.

MurderSkillz · #**415** (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 08:40 PM

Doesn't darken the ink from the oils?

shetlan · #**416** (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MurderSkillz

Doesn't darken the ink from the oils?

I didn't notice significant darkening, but then again I wasn't watching for it.

everlasting123 · #**417** (**permalink**) 08-04-2009, 04:29 AM

i heard that some printer print a tiny thing i think its the serial number and they could trace back stuff printed from your printer is this true and how do i tell if my printer has it?

shetlan · #**418** (**permalink**) 08-04-2009, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by everlasting123

i heard that some printer print a tiny thing i think its the serial number and they could trace back stuff printed from your printer is this true and how do i tell if my printer has it?

It's called microprinting and it's already been talked about to death. Read the thread.

everlasting123 · #**419** (**permalink**) 08-04-2009, 05:00 PM

i went through the whole thread and couldnt find anything on it, do you know what page it was talked about on?

tonyrod214 · #**420** (**permalink**) 08-05-2009, 07:21 AM

ok so i have a canon pixma mp210. i tried to photocopy and my bill came out too dark. The background on my bill is looking too green. So then i scanned a 100 with photoshop. Now dat i print the bill on plain paper it comes out really light. Im new to photoshop is there something i dont know. Do i need to change any settings?