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Old 10-27-2009, 03:00 PM
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Well I'm sorry that I didn't really understand your other post, shouldn't contradict yourself.

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Everything comes off but after i dry it..
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..is it because the bill is not completely cleaned or something.

So which one is it?
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:21 PM
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Actually, the colors look "wrong" because the bill IS clean. The oven cleaner removed the papers "coating"...paper you buy from the store (office depot, staples, etc) is coated so that ink doesn't run or blot. The cotton/linen blend that money is printed on is very porous, so it almost "soaks" up the ink making the colors look funny. You will not be able to just scan/copy the bills, you will have to use a photo editing program to make "adjustments" to the colors until they are acceptable (to you)...what kind of oven cleaner are you using?? The generic brands like "Easy-Off" are too harsh and can damage the paper, I used Cisco brand which is only available commercially, like from a restaurant supply company (or at a restaurant)...it is a lot less caustic than the generic stuff and it smells better too!!
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Thanks for answering my question that sounds like the problem. I didn't wanna use a photo editing program because i didn't think it was needed. But i guess i have to get my photoshop skills up. I use "Easy Off Heavy Duty" it works without a problem. How are your bills coming out after the whole process? Do the colors match and look legit. I'm not sure if "Lye" would solve my problem and make it easier for me to scan/print without color problems.
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Old 10-28-2009, 05:15 PM
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I haven't done any bills in years...I'm just giving you the benefit of my PAST experience. And yes, it takes some adjusting to get the colors to look right on "washed" bills. It got to the point that the colors on my computer screen looked way off, but they printed right!! If you can find an uncoated "bond" paper at a local paper store, it would be good for testing purposes so you don't have to waste your washed bills.
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Old 11-03-2009, 05:57 AM
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Hey has anybody figured out a convincing way to duplicate the watermark or security strip? I'm trying to use photoshop or drawing it myself. Anybody care to share there ideas?
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Old 11-03-2009, 02:55 PM
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shetlan you were doing the same method I'am ..scanning and printing..
what printer were you using?

I Know you posted it some pages ago.. just cannot find it .
Im having an issue were the white, or yellowish part of the bill is coming out too yellow when printing.. its my printer.. so thinking im gonna get a different one.

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Old 11-04-2009, 12:00 AM
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It's probably NOT your printer...it's the light used by the scanner. If you were to scan the bill into Photoshop and "remove" the white background, you wouldn't have that problem at all. It may also have something to do with the "embedded" color profile in the printer, which can be changed when printing from a PC (not when scanning directly and printing) HP printers have an HP color profile, epsons have the epson profile, etc...each company has their own "perfect" match color profile and they differ by manufacturer. Photoshop can correct this by loading different profiles into the printer for printing purposes...
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:51 AM
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i have never tried to wash a bill yet, i figured i would try to print the bills on blank printer paper just to see how they would come out for my school project. yet i can't seem to get even a decent print

the specific printer (pixma 200 series or whatever) was not available at my local retailer, so i picked up a canon pixma ip2600 and saw it had similiar specs to the other pixma's for half the price.

i was wondering if the bad quality of the print is due to the shoddy printer, or something else? because if for some reason i ever considered printing bills, these prints wouldn't be passable to the stupidest of immigrants (no offense)

should i return the printer and get a higher grade pixma? or am i messing something up?

i'm using very detailed images (over 3,000x 3,000 pixels) and i've tried many applications

i was also wondering if the bill printing stopping at a certain point in the print was the software or the printer? because for me the following programs do not work -

photoshop cs4
paint
gimp
roxio image editor
windows picture and fax viewer

any insight on my printer or whatever software works, i tried obtaining photoshop elements, but that program was somewhat hard to obtain
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:17 AM
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ok im new to this, bombshock, counterfeiting, everything. so please dont flame

ok so ive spent the last 3 days reading every single post and i would like to think all the good posters here. my questions are.
why havent you guys spent more time with a bill like the 1966 $100? no real security.

also i lost track of the current paper used, is it 25% cotton 20 or 100% cotton 20 or somthing else. and do i need to use the downey method.

and lastly is there a specific color you use for the bills.

sorry if i repetated anything. 23 pages is alot to stuff in in 3 days when most reading took place at like 2 in the morning.
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:12 AM
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why havent you guys spent more time with a bill like the 1966 $100? no real security.
1: The 1966 series bills are so rare in daily circulation that they would automatically be viewed in a speculative light.
2: More to the point, a person who spends them on a regular basis would be too easily remembered - again, because the bills themselves are unusual.
3: Third, when complaints of the bills get to the police, all they need to do is send out a statement telling stores to stop accepting the old bills - or at least take note when someone uses them.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:01 PM
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1: The 1966 series bills are so rare in daily circulation that they would automatically be viewed in a speculative light.
2: More to the point, a person who spends them on a regular basis would be too easily remembered - again, because the bills themselves are unusual.
3: Third, when complaints of the bills get to the police, all they need to do is send out a statement telling stores to stop accepting the old bills - or at least take note when someone uses them.
could you not just hit one store once. no time to report. think of all the fast food joints that are in just your area you could hit. say your granma gave it to u in her will or somthing.by the time they catch on you wont be doing it anymore.

also what about my other question
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:51 PM
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It's probably NOT your printer...it's the light used by the scanner. If you were to scan the bill into Photoshop and "remove" the white background, you wouldn't have that problem at all. It may also have something to do with the "embedded" color profile in the printer, which can be changed when printing from a PC (not when scanning directly and printing) HP printers have an HP color profile, epsons have the epson profile, etc...each company has their own "perfect" match color profile and they differ by manufacturer. Photoshop can correct this by loading different profiles into the printer for printing purposes...

Hmm didnt think about the light causing it. I'm using a HP so i'll see what I can adjust.
With taking out the background in ps..I actually have tried that..but it seems very difficult to remove the background where the actual design is.. any suggestions?

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Old 11-04-2009, 04:32 PM
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I work with color copiers on a daily basis (I'm a technician) and until I started working here, I had no idea how the different types and colors of scanning optics (the light that moves back and forth) affect the quality of the scanned documents. High quality scanners use a green (krypton) bulb while the cheaper ones use pure white (halogen, xenon) light to scan. Believe it or not, the green bulbs scan much better than the pure white ones. If you're having trouble with the software (like photoshop) just find an older version, like PS6 or PS7, that doesn't have any of the anti-counterfeiting features.
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:08 PM
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I work with color copiers on a daily basis (I'm a technician) and until I started working here, I had no idea how the different types and colors of scanning optics (the light that moves back and forth) affect the quality of the scanned documents. High quality scanners use a green (krypton) bulb while the cheaper ones use pure white (halogen, xenon) light to scan. Believe it or not, the green bulbs scan much better than the pure white ones. If you're having trouble with the software (like photoshop) just find an older version, like PS6 or PS7, that doesn't have any of the anti-counterfeiting features.

Good information there.
I have no trouble with my photoshop.. I can remove the borders etc..it is just the finer areas that cannot be masked properly... wondering if anyone has any experience in masking and removing the background while still retaining the foreground..

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Old 11-04-2009, 10:05 PM
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could you not just hit one store once. no time to report. think of all the fast food joints that are in just your area you could hit. say your granma gave it to u in her will or somthing.by the time they catch on you wont be doing it anymore.
So you can make $250 or so and never do it again? Why? It's not worth the trouble.

That's the problem with people today, no thought for the long term.

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also what about my other question
I've completely switched to a new experimental method, we left off at 75% cotton rag 20lb paper (no downy is needed for the 20lb variety).
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:13 PM
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So you can make $250 or so and never do it again? Why? It's not worth the trouble.

That's the problem with people today, no thought for the long term.



I've completely switched to a new experimental method, we left off at 75% cotton rag 20lb paper (no downy is needed for the 20lb variety).
my thought was hit 20 stores or so once in a 3 or 4 day period then switching to 20's. no time to report an walk away with about 1800 in change

also if you look on ebay you will see 1966 $100 going for around 2-300 i was considering looking into that but im not sure.
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:43 PM
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sorry for the double post but i cant find 75% cotton rag 20lb paper anywere. all i can find is 25% and 100%. if anyone has a link that would be apreciated.
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:58 PM
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Southworth makes a 20lb paper but I'm not sure what the content is...it has a watermark of some kind on it though....
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:17 AM
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Is there something can be used to coat the wash bill to prevent the ink from bleeding into the paper
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:51 AM
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not trying to be a bother but can someone shed any light on my previous post? i'm trying photoshop 6 and 7
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Old 11-05-2009, 06:55 AM
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my thought was hit 20 stores or so once in a 3 or 4 day period then switching to 20's. no time to report an walk away with about 1800 in change

also if you look on ebay you will see 1966 $100 going for around 2-300 i was considering looking into that but im not sure.
Again, this limits your career to a two month run - at most. On the other hand, if you keep up your quality and working with current series products there's no way to prevent people from passing them.
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Old 11-05-2009, 10:01 PM
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also shetlan can you shed light on were to find 75% cotton rag paper?

btw i was just going to do that real quick and take the 1800 i get and invest it into reserch nice printer and other things to better my newer series.
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Old 11-05-2009, 10:29 PM
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also shetlan can you shed light on were to find 75% cotton rag paper?
Staples, Office Depot, Office Max - it's a standard stationary paper.
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Staples, Office Depot, Office Max - it's a standard stationary paper.
if its standered paper why cant i find it online?
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Well guys if you ask me, the font isn't that big of an issue. Like you said shetlan, you're just trying to pass the bill to cashiers, not to banks right. For example, I had an interest in custom printing each serial number, so I found a font that looks very similar to the original, and even though it writes the '4's differently, its not really a problem. Just look around for something similar, or you can always construct your own image template thats not actually a font but really an image of the strip..

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Btw, has anyone upgraded from Southworth to any other kind of paper? Anyone implemented any security strip knock offs yet? Anyone tried and succeeded passing the pen test practically yet? Juust checkin..
There is no reason to get a font for changing the serial numbers. It's so simple it's just funny. When I get a chance I can show you how to change the serial with existing numbers on the bill. I'll make a video when I get a chance.
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if its standered paper why cant i find it online?
My mistake, it's 100% cotton paper 20lb.
It's also referred to as "Thesis Paper".
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There is no reason to get a font for changing the serial numbers. It's so simple it's just funny. When I get a chance I can show you how to change the serial with existing numbers on the bill. I'll make a video when I get a chance.
Haha yeah I'm assuming you're talking about that Spot Brush Tool. I know I did a lot of editing with that. I wanted something more efficient, instead of having to manually doctor each letter, and typing is much faster when printing lots of bills.

@johncena01: The difference between the ip2600 and a Pixma is that the Pixma claims to be photospecific, so maybe thats the reason theres a worse quality in ip2600. Also, you can't print newer series bills with most new printers, only photocopy them, so you're going to have to rethink your strategy.

@defenderofthefaith: In Photoshop, theres a tool called the Magic Wand, its a smart tool that is used to select a range of colors based on the strength variable you set. Poke around, you'll see what I'm talking about, its magic. Then you can paste the background on a new layer and tone accordingly.

On a side note, I've been formulating some watermark/security strip ideas, so lets see where that goes..
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I read this somewhere (Watermarks)
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I read somewhere that people were drawing in watermarks with a "grease pencil". I went to Office Depot to find one and they said they recently stopped carrying them. It is basically a mix of a crayon (waxy) and sharp/precise like a colored pencil. So the concept I read was: The white grease pencils are being used to block light from transferring through when being looked at in the light. Does this make sense to anyone? Something else about taking the bill and taping it to a window or light table and covering it with tracing paper. Now the real watermark is clear so you can trace it onto the tracing paper. Then you put it in a scanner to print (all-in-one printer should work) from the tracing paper to normal computer paper. This printout should be a good looking copy probably in black. Now you take your cotton paper or bleached $1 bill and put it over the copy to trace (probably with a light table). I hope somebody can gain from this.

By the way, just printed about $1800 today. I aligned it perfectly, I am using an HP Photosmart C4680 and the color matching is perfect. I printed on Southworth 24lb. 25% cotton, White (not ivory and im printing the new bills with colors by the way), and the feel is amazing. Slick just like a bill but cottony. I havent even tried to soften it yet. I suggest you try it because 20lb is too thin in my opinion. I noticed that if i photocopy vertically( bill flat against right wall) i can get it perfect everytime. I use a 6 inch clear plastic ruler and measure in from the bottom 1 1/4 inch each time and it comes out flawlessly. But hopefully this helps. Also this 24lb 25% has the watermark only on one part of the page (top or bottom depending on how u choose to feed the printer. This means you can draw in the watermark if you do 2 bills to a page and steer clear of their watermark. Also, you can maybe just draw a 1 or 2 mm line with a ruler and grease pencil where the strip would be so if someone checks they see the right watermark and something where the strip should be. I will try this when i locate that white grease pencil. Anyways, Staples and Office Max is where im trying next.

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I was looking about wonderhowto.com today and stumbled upon this:
hXXp://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to/video/how-to-print-counterfeit-money-1462/

I've already reccommended this method for those who use Photoshop CS series. The above site is excellent btw, and has a ton of good vids for a wide variety of scams, cons, hacks, etc.
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