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11-14-2008, 08:34 PM
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How much money does a gas station atm usaly have in it and how often do they refill it? Are they bolted to the ground and is it possible with a cut off saw used to cut rebar cut in half to get inside of it? Here is my goal there is a atm inside a gas station in the middle of nowear right inside the door. I plan on braking the glass doors in with a sludge hammer tying a steel tow chain around it and the hitch on the truck and ripeing it out. think it will work and have any better ideas on how to get inside the atm machine? |
11-14-2008, 08:52 PM
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Wrong place you want to go to the free living thread.
That idea of the truck is terrible by the time you get the chain around it the cops will be on their way and i dont think no one is gonna just be like
"Eh its okay only a feww thousand bucks in there let it go"
With the cut off saw it would probably take quite some time to get through the rebarb.
It all depends on luck. They might have filled it recently they might not of.
Where a mask, break in at night, smash it or blow it up but dont take the thing just get what you can a truck is too easy to track and smashing the window would alert wayyy too many people.
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11-14-2008, 10:39 PM
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I would say it probably has less than 5 grand in it when its just been filled. Most of these machines send an automated phone call or email to the bank when its running low so its filled at random times. Same thing when someone is trying to break into it. So many of these were being stolen that the banks now put a GPS tracking device in them which is battery operated when the power is disconnected. So for gods sake do not haul this to your hideout and think your safe. There were some guys here in the city where I live that were pulling ATMS out of the fronts of banks with a tow truck. They got caught of course. No offense, but the people who do these kinds of crimes usually are not to bright. Good luck and let us know how it goes. |
11-15-2008, 08:14 AM
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Im not worried of people hearing the glass break because it is littley in the middle of nowear. As for the cops showing up it would take them between 10 to 15 minutes at the quickest. As for the tracking device not realy a problum because it is in the middle of nowear and the moutains cell phone coverage barly comes in at certain places. The truck is not mine its stolen son nothing would come back on me. But im nervous that a full size truck would be able to jerk it out of the floor it is a concrete floor. The truck would have a hinch on it but would it work and how do you find out when they are filles without getting caught? |
11-17-2008, 11:20 PM
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good luck trying to get past the ink sprayer.
your better off trying to haul a gas station away. |
11-18-2008, 12:01 AM
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What do you mean the inksprayer and hard would it be to jerk it out of the floor? |
11-18-2008, 01:08 AM
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Vallen, I am also curious about your post. I had no idea atm machines had a built in ink sprayer. Is it set to spray the bills upon forced removal of the machine? |
11-18-2008, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by stumpy  Vallen, I am also curious about your post. I had no idea atm machines had a built in ink sprayer. Is it set to spray the bills upon forced removal of the machine? | I've only heard of machines in Australia outfitted with this technology. |
11-18-2008, 02:34 AM
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I remember seeing this on the worlds' "supposedly" wildest videos. The theme of the episode was dumbest criminals...
It wasn't completely stupid, even though the perps forget their gloves, masks etc. They rammed a truck against an ATM adjacent to a store, in an attempt to crush it open. The machine fell flat down to the floor and the truck rolled over it, and the top of the machine burst open with green stuff. Unfortunately for them, they got the truck wedged on top of the machine, and one of the perps even got stuck inside the store, because of the rubble blocking the way. They had to abandon the area, leaving the truck behind, and didn't have time to scoop up any cash. |
11-18-2008, 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ladeykiller What do you mean the inksprayer and hard would it be to jerk it out of the floor? | forget it Quote:
Originally Posted by stumpy Vallen, I am also curious about your post. I had no idea atm machines had a built in ink sprayer. Is it set to spray the bills upon forced removal of the machine? | anything that sets the alarm off in it. Quote:
Originally Posted by Beyond I've only heard of machines in Australia outfitted with this technology. | Banks don't tell people what they do to protect their money. |
11-18-2008, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ladeykiller As for the tracking device not realy a problum because it is in the middle of nowear and the moutains cell phone coverage barly comes in at certain places. | GPS can reach places cell phone waves cannot. You would have to jam the gps. |
11-18-2008, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Vallen Banks don't tell people what they do to protect their money. | Well considering I work on them, and in a multiplatform relationship, I will. In the U.S., no major bank uses this technology on their ATMs.
The burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise. Until then, your statement is a matter of opinion and not fact. |
11-19-2008, 03:42 AM
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This might help to solve the Gps problem
hxxp://gopaultech.com/blog/2007/08/chinavision-mobile-gps-scrambler/
but when the Atm stops transmitting a signal that might be a problem. | | | |
11-19-2008, 08:59 PM
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For something like this, I would suggest using some kind of surveillance to watch the atm for a couple of days. Find out when they refill it, and how they get to the money (so that you can get an idea of where/how the money is stored) find out if the times seem to be random, or if it is the same time everyday. You might even be able to estimate how much money they are putting into it.
By, surveillance, I mean like a wireless webcam or something put in a discrete area that most employees wont notice, and if they do, they will just think it is a store security camera.
EDIT, I didn't know, but now I know that ATMs just use a safe to keep the money in. So actually, If you figure out a way to position a camera so that it can see the atm combination knob, you could record the employee using the combination. I guess then you could actually just take the money without the machine. If it is really just a small store, then get someone to distract the employee on duty, and you come in dressed as a bank employee(to not look suspicious to customers) and open the safe and take the money and be on your way, by the time they notice anything, you're long gone.
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11-20-2008, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ladeykiller How much money does a gas station atm usaly have in it and how often do they refill it? | Most ATM's in the united states have 2 to 3 cans or stacks that money is placed in. Each of these cans holds 5 thousand bills. Now you can determine what those cans contain by asking for differing amounts of money. Sometimes one can is 5's while the other is 20's, most of the time is both or all three contain 20's. So asking for 25$, and receiving it. significantly deminishes the maxium amount of money possible. You'll rarely see one topped off however, as most banking institutions would rather have their cash invested somewhere than sitting in the ATM in the gas station out in the middle of nowhere. Anyway, ultimately to answer the question, probably at best, 10 to 15 thousand. With most refills occuring once a week. Quote:
Originally Posted by ladeykiller Are they bolted to the ground and is it possible with a cut off saw used to cut rebar cut in half to get inside of it? | Yes. And yes, provided enough blades for the ones that will break/shadder. And enough time I suppose.
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11-21-2008, 12:25 AM
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try a battery powered saw-zaw with a metal blade it should work if you can get to the supports |
11-21-2008, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkAngle try a battery powered saw-zaw with a metal blade it should work if you can get to the supports | Haha, there is no way in hell that is going to work.
Those support bars are more than capable of defending against a "saw-zaw". You're going to go through so many batteries and blades before you even begin to make a "dent" in them.
Not to mention, even if you do get it free, you've still got a huge fucking ATM on your hands that you have to haul off. |
11-21-2008, 12:38 AM
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good point so what would you recommend? |
11-21-2008, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkAngle good point so what would you recommend? | No two ATM's are alike, so to speak. It'd all depend on the situation at hand. I will tell you that I'll never bother ripping one from it's foundation, that's just too much work and ain't my style. |
11-22-2008, 01:58 PM
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The atm is not that big its small about 4 feet tall and foot and ahalf wide. Know as for the foundation goes is a full size pickup capable of jerking it out of the floor with a 20 foot tow chain? I dont plan on using a saw saw its a cut off saw its just like a chain saw but has a round rebar blade the blade is composite or something. |
11-23-2008, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Beyond I've only heard of machines in Australia outfitted with this technology. | Bloody fantastic.
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11-23-2008, 10:43 AM
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Could you steal it on point of refill? If you really were a crazy motherfucker, you could shoot the money delivery guy and make off with the cash.
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11-23-2008, 07:11 PM
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I cant figureout when they get get it refilled im just going to do it whatever happens. |
11-23-2008, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ladeykiller I cant figureout when they get get it refilled im just going to do it whatever happens. | If you're dumb enough to try this, at least tell us your full name so we can follow your trial's progress. |
11-23-2008, 08:14 PM
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try another method .go to the machine late at night wearing all black, park out of sight of the cameras and BEAT THE MACHINE IN WITH A SLUDGE HAMMER. odds are it will work better than stealing the machine and you could probably get away easier |
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Originally Posted by DarkAngle try another method .go to the machine late at night wearing all black, park out of sight of the cameras and BEAT THE MACHINE IN WITH A SLUDGE HAMMER. odds are it will work better than stealing the machine and you could probably get away easier | Do you ever think about anything you write before you type it? That would a) take forever and b) cause a MASSIVE amount of noise. | | | |
11-23-2008, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ladeykiller The atm is not that big its small about 4 feet tall and foot and ahalf wide. Know as for the foundation goes is a full size pickup capable of jerking it out of the floor with a 20 foot tow chain? I dont plan on using a saw saw its a cut off saw its just like a chain saw but has a round rebar blade the blade is composite or something. | Yeah because those bars are not ankered under the cement.
The only way I know to install something into cement after it has be layed is by drilling a hole all the way through it.
I'll tell you what your looking at.
The bars are threaded at one end, or all the way down the bar. To get the ssupport bars into the foundation they drill a hole through the foundation, probaby about a foot thick, then using a sladge hammer, they hammer the bars into the holes drilled in the floor. The threaded ends are up. With so many inches out. After the ATM is lowered over the four bars sticking out of the floor, the few inches of bar are now inside the ATM, and then large bolts are tightend over the remaining few inches untill the ATM is secured to the floor. I'm guessing this is done through some sort of locked panel or door at the bottom of the ATM
To see this go to any Lowes, Homedept, Costco, or Sam's club and look at thier large storage racks in the store. Look at the bottom of the legs where they are mounted to the floor. In order to move those racks they would have to empty all the pallets out, screw off all the bolts at the bottom of the legs. Then once the rack is moved out of the way, the easiest way to remove the threaded bars sticking out of the floor is to just hammer them the rest of the way into the ground untill flush with the foundation.
The bar hammers in very easy. So I would guess they would pull out easy too, just so long as you had something to grip it well with (like an ATM) and enough power or weight to pull a few feet of metal bar through the hole of about a foot of cement.
Tho I did hit those racks all the time with a 10,000 lb forklift and only bent the legs of the rack. They never came out of the ground, Probably because of the wieght from the shit in the racks.
I would get a good running start with a truck, and I would tie the chain around the frame of the truck not the hitch.
But that sounds like the easy part though.
I don't know what you would do after the ATM is ripped from the floor. You'll probably be caught.
For something like 10,000 dollars (if your lucky), you'll be facing
grand theft auto,
breaking and entering,
robbery,
grand theft,
destruction of privite property
and pobably some sort of high speed chase.
I say go for it I'm tired of watching re-runs on TV
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11-23-2008, 10:06 PM
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Well, I'd hope you guys would be smart enough to use chains and not just one chain. That's typically how it's done.
As documented here, one chain is far from sufficient.
You guy's should be focused on scams like this and leave the "smash and grabs" to the amateurs and unskilled. |
11-24-2008, 02:38 AM
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Will the chain be strong enough its recomended at 4700 pounds dont think a full size pickup is cabable of ripeing it from the foundation? What about a dieasel like a 2500 or bigger truck dont think it will ripe the hitch off? |
11-24-2008, 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ladeykiller Will the chain be strong enough its recomended at 4700 pounds dont think a full size pickup is cabable of ripeing it from the foundation? What about a dieasel like a 2500 or bigger truck dont think it will ripe the hitch off? | From here on out, I'm only going to answer your questions when you use correct spelling and grammar.
So, if you want the answers to the questions you have, I'd advise you to curb your responses to a manner befitting of a great forum such as Bombshock. | |
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