Who keeps cash at home&why?

[Hawkeye]

The only credible reason why people generally keep cash at home is to use in emergencies/disasters. Other than that, what type of people are most likely to keep cash at home? Some guesses might be; home tutors, old people in small towns, wealthy show-offs?

Hiding spots: under mattress, jars, buried in clothes/sock bundles in drawers, pockets of coats, shoeboxes, anywhere in warddrobe, secret drawers in antique chests, back of toilet, medicine cabinet, in bass/guitar amps, hidden in junk under identical junk, e.g. hidden in old bottle inbetween old bottles, envelope buried under envelopes. Some places wouldn't be worth the trouble to sift through, but might it be possible to crack some cheap safes?

[bloodlusta]

people who keep cash at home are likely to be people who run small business that don't earn enough to pay tax. or maybe the treasurer of some charity group, their houses might be worth a check out after a fund raiser event.

[stumpy]

With a small investment, you can go buy leads of people currently filing for bankruptcy. These are the people that are gonna hide any money they have at home. And trust, most bankruptcies are illegitimite and the person has a stash of cash saved at home.

[killerofall]

I keep cash in my gun safe. Just in case i need it for something bail money, drugs, guns, or if i have to get out of town fast and untraceable. However i keep most of my money in the bank as its the safest place.

Would it be worth your life to come into my house and try to get me to open my safe to get a thousand dolars? No one knows the code beside me and before they get to the safe they would have to come through me and my guns.

I dont understand why people will risk their lifes to steal an amount of money that really wouldnt change anything.

Generaly people that have something worth stealling its going to be locked up and imposible to get to if you break into someones house. With the internet people dont hide cash in their houses unless its illegal.

[stumpy]

Killer, as a matter of point, one only has to check your driveway/garage to know if someone is likely home. No one really thinks of breaking into a house willingly knowing that someone is there. As far as most home safes are concerned, it only needs to be small enough to carry. Most average home safes are generally hidden and at most bolted in. Bolts can be pryed out of wood with only a crowbar.

But key words in my post are "likely", "average" and "most".

[Beyond]

Originally Posted by stumpy

Killer, as a matter of point, one only has to check your driveway/garage to know if someone is likely home. No one really thinks of breaking into a house willingly knowing that someone is there. As far as most home safes are concerned, it only needs to be small enough to carry. Most average home safes are generally hidden and at most bolted in. Bolts can be pryed out of wood with only a crowbar.

But key words in my post are "likely", "average" and "most".

And if the bolts are anchored to the concrete foundation? Going to pry those up too?

What about safes with more than 1 bolt in wood? I'd love to see you pry one of those free with just a crowbar.

[killerofall]

My safes in my basment and anchored to my foundation. Even if you did get my safe there would be no way of opening it with out the combo's it has both electric and a manual. If it comes undone from a saftey chain (like the things on tredmills that shut it off if you fall)you have to call the company and they will till you how to reset it.

I have a safe that cost 6 grand (I won it) because ive seen safes that just got pulled out of the wall. And i keep my rifles in that i used to shoot in competitions.

So the only way to get in my safe is to get the codes from me.

[Beyond]

Originally Posted by killerofall

So the only way to get in my safe is to get the codes from me.

Haha, you keep thinking that.

Call up any lock/safesmith in your area and tell them you lost your combo. Tell them your safe model and if they can open it. They'll laugh and give you a quote and ask when you want them out.

Of course it can be opened without the combination.

[killerofall]

Ya steal my safe then go to a locksmith and see how fast i find you.

My safe has to locks on it so it really wouldnt be that hard to call around and see if someone brought my safe into a locksmith. As I dont think that many locksmiths would be able to get around the electric lock, however i admit i dont know anything about locks.

Most criminals wouldnt do that at most the would go at it with a torch for about 20 minutes then give up.

Im sure a locksmith could get in my safe but we dont have a high class of criminals where i live. The people around here that break into houses are just junkies that do it to get enough money to buy drugs. So i highley doubt they would have enough to money to pay to get into my safe nor would they cough up that much money without even knowing whats inside.

[Beyond]

Originally Posted by killerofall

Ya steal my safe then go to a locksmith and see how fast i find you.

When did I say I would go to one? I told you to call them up and find out how easy it is to open that safe without the common.

I wouldn't need to go to anyone, I can open them myself.

My safe has to locks on it so it really wouldnt be that hard to call around and see if someone brought my safe into a locksmith. As I dont think that many locksmiths would be able to get around the electric lock, however i admit i dont know anything about locks.

Oh, there are many, many, many ways.

Many drill points, many ways to manipulate resistor values, etc. Hell, I've even heard of people applying heat to the solenoid to force it to expand enough to complete the circuit and thus opening it.

Stop being naive.

Most criminals wouldnt do that at most the would go at it with a torch for about 20 minutes then give up.

Well, that may be more than enough time, depending on your model. Purely hypothetical though.

Im sure a locksmith could get in my safe but we dont have a high class of criminals where i live. The people around here that break into houses are just junkies that do it to get enough money to buy drugs. So i highley doubt they would have enough to money to pay to get into my safe nor would they cough up that much money without even knowing whats inside.

You never know, but I tell you that your cockiness is going to catch up with you if you continue to think you're better than every other John Doe out there.

[crazywhiteguy]

Stop being naive.

Your being naive. Even the 300$-500$ safes in cost-co and staples business depot cant be drilled open for they have one and a half inch or bigger. You cant simply heat up the solenoids since the contacts would melt and possibly dislodge completely. Even if the solenoid were accessible as you say, there would still be a fireproof layer and plastic between you and the solenoid.

Im not saying your a liar. You simply made it look far easier than it truly was.

[Beyond]

Originally Posted by crazywhiteguy

Your being naive. Even the 300$-500$ safes in cost-co and staples business depot cant be drilled open for they have one and a half inch or bigger.

I'm going to ask you one more time before I overload your ass with evidence to the contrary, are you saying these safes can't be drilled?

You cant simply heat up the solenoids since the contacts would melt and possibly dislodge completely. Even if the solenoid were accessible as you say, there would still be a fireproof layer and plastic between you and the solenoid.

Haha, oh, shut the fuck up. There are drill points, spindles, wire runs, etc. that can all be accessed given the make/model. Stop trying to act like you know your shit.

And what are these contacts you speak of?

Im not saying your a liar. You simply made it look far easier than it truly was.

When you do it 5 days a week, it becomes second nature.

[stumpy]

A couple of you are getting extremely off topic in the sense of making things too personal.

A $6,000 safe is not average. Concrete foundation safe is not average. Your average thief is not a lockpick by profession. My original post clearly indicated my point and attempts to be pick it apart are done out of context.

As far as safes go, if it can be built, it can generally be unbuilt.

[Beyond]

Originally Posted by stumpy

Concrete foundation safe is not average.

Oh, I'd be reserved to make such a bold statement.

You know, that type of information isn't the type you can actually measure. In other words, the professionals aren't going to reveal that type of information about their customers and actual safe owners aren't going to disclose that, at least not in a non-biased setting.

Given between mounting options, either wood or concrete, it's pretty close. Smaller safes represent the wood floor majority and larger safes are usually relocated to a basement or garage to be anchored to concrete.

Any safe can be mounted to either medium, however. In fact, most are equipped with anchoring screws for both.

[stumpy]

I don't argue your statement because I don't have the expertise nor experience in the matter.

However, my responses were geared to the original poster's question and in context of my advice given.

Firstly, I mentioned acquiring a list of names/addresses of people filing for bankruptcy. Also, the orignal poster's question, to me, implied hitting multiple homes within certain categories to find cash.

So for sake of example, if one were to break into 10 average homes... it is quite possible that none of those homes would even have a safe. Granted it's also possible that all of them have 6 foot, concrete secured, weapons safes. In a job where random homes are being targetted by category with no prior inspection, there is no way of actually knowing what you will find. My opinion of the matter is it would be most likely that if there happens to be a safe in the house, it would be an inexpensive one. The $100 fire resistant, free standing safes come to mind.




Killerofall, my daddy's safe is bigger than your daddy's safe. Back to topic.

[Beyond]

Originally Posted by stumpy

My opinion of the matter is it would be most likely that if there happens to be a safe in the house, it would be an inexpensive one. The $100 fire resistant, free standing safes come to mind.

I'd be interested in seeing the sales trends. Home and personal safe sales have skyrocketed ever since the economy has hit the crapper.

[stumpy]

Actually, I was curious too. I did a google search for "home safe". It turns out Sentry Safe recommends the $80-$100 range of non-mountable fire/water-proof home safes for typical needs. It figures they'd promote their more inexpensive products with the economy in the crapper, as you put it so well described.

[Beyond]

Originally Posted by stumpy

Actually, I was curious too. I did a google search for "home safe". It turns out Sentry Safe recommends the $80-$100 range of non-mountable fire/water-proof home safes for typical needs. It figures they'd promote their more inexpensive products with the economy in the crapper, as you put it so well described.

Figures, them or Honeywell.

[Fayle]

Personally i keep all of my money at home, and only use my bank account for my debit card and paypal. Feds can say "He took bla bla bla amount out at this time, obviously nothing good will come of this."

My money is inside two safes which are in a padlocked wooden box inside my concrete basement floor (the box is wooden so it will remain smooth on top of the concrete when the carpet is over)

[GreatWhiteHunter]

i keep a trusty 10,000 bucks in my expensive ass safe.the only way your getting in is blowing the thing up!!

[headcase]

Sure you do.

To add my anecdotal experience. My workplace stocks safes, electronic and manual, from €30 up to €80 and they're easy to carry. Sure, if someone is keeping €10,000 in their house then they'll spend more than €80 on a safe but given we sell two or three a day then there must be a reasonable number of people with vaulables in easily stolen safes.

[GreatWhiteHunter]

i store money,guns,passports etc in my custom built safe

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Beyond

I'd be interested in seeing the sales trends. Home and personal safe sales have skyrocketed ever since the economy has hit the crapper.

Yes. Some people are opting to keep their life savings at home...in cash. Obviously, getting someone to open their safe, which contains all their hard-earned money accumulated over decades, might not be a walk in the park, regardless of whether they're insured.

[Lone Gunman]

Originally Posted by killerofall

My safes in my basment and anchored to my foundation. Even if you did get my safe there would be no way of opening it with out the combo's it has both electric and a manual. If it comes undone from a saftey chain (like the things on tredmills that shut it off if you fall)you have to call the company and they will till you how to reset it.

I have a safe that cost 6 grand (I won it) because ive seen safes that just got pulled out of the wall. And i keep my rifles in that i used to shoot in competitions.

So the only way to get in my safe is to get the codes from me.

Well I've broken into a bank safe and I highly doubt yours is more secure then that...

Nothing is unbeatable, perhaps the common burglar couldn't get into it but I could although that much work for such a small take is pointless.

There are any number of ways to crack a safe without knowing the codes and combos. Some take more time then others but all can be beaten.

[trip]

A safe is only a deterrent. It doesnt matter how much you spend on your safe, if theres a will, theres a way.

Safes are rated by how long it takes a professional safe cracker to crack the safe. So right there it just goes to show no safe is uncrackable.

At best, your safe will be strong enough to slow the person down/prevent them from removing it long enough for you to show up and bust some heads.

Also, you really dont need the combo for the safe. If the person is home, all I would really need is a gun and to catch you off guard. Im pretty sure anyone would rather give up their safe combo then their life.

[Lone Gunman]

Originally Posted by trip

A safe is only a deterrent. It doesnt matter how much you spend on your safe, if theres a will, theres a way.

Safes are rated by how long it takes a professional safe cracker to crack the safe. So right there it just goes to show no safe is uncrackable.

At best, your safe will be strong enough to slow the person down/prevent them from removing it long enough for you to show up and bust some heads.

Also, you really dont need the combo for the safe. If the person is home, all I would really need is a gun and to catch you off guard. Im pretty sure anyone would rather give up their safe combo then their life.

I agree except where you mention giving up the safe combo.

If I was at gunpoint in this situation I wouldn't give it up. See without you that person can't get into the safe giving them the combo then makes you useless and you liable to get shot. The longer you stall and hold off gives you time to plan a way to get out of that situation. I would kill someone after they gave me the combo... no point on leaving loose ends around. However if I knew I couldn't crack the safe I would keep them alive until they did and maybe shoot a leg to show I'm serious.

[S7@1T3D]

I do, i dont trust the banks and i rather pay in cash.

Best advice i have heard is buy gold with your savings, when shit hits the fan whats going to be worth more? A precious heavy metal or worthless plastic/paper with writing on it.

[Lone Gunman]

Originally Posted by S7@1T3D

I do, i dont trust the banks and i rather pay in cash.

Best advice i have heard is buy gold with your savings, when shit hits the fan whats going to be worth more? A precious heavy metal or worthless plastic/paper with writing on it.

I prefer cash too... However whether or not I keep it at home depends on what kind of cash.

If I robbed a bank or something I can assure you that it would be hidden likely buried somewhere far away from my home until the fuzz dies down.

For just small cash this I keep at home and never in large quantities.

[Capn Tenacious]

Originally Posted by S7@1T3D

I do, i dont trust the banks and i rather pay in cash.

Best advice i have heard is buy gold with your savings, when shit hits the fan whats going to be worth more? A precious heavy metal or worthless plastic/paper with writing on it.

Actually the gold probably wouldn't be of any value.... what wouold you want gold or food and water? Most people think gold is the answer meaning gold will always be gold but when 3rd world countries completely collapse water and food are most valuable no one can afford gold nor do they want it.

[hikton]

Hide money in your electric outlet. Won't harm anything or catch fire if you do it right. Or you can just get an 'outlet' safe. It is a safe that is installed into your wall to look like an electrical outlet. It also has a battery pack for power but only for limited time of course...Just in case someone wants to make sure it really is an outlet. And it only opens with a key that pushes in the 'screw' that is keeping the outlet cover on the wall. I cannot find the link at the moment but if i find it and remember then I will post it up.