Ordering custom holograms.

xkw · #1 (**permalink**) 09-14-2009, 05:21 PM

Would it be bad to order custom holograms from a company who is a part of the International Hologram Manufactures Assoc?

Its a state hologram (simple design), but it doesn't look like it would be a state hologram. The design doesn't say DMV or anything, and it doesn't have a state seal.

Its a sine curve.

If you know who's state this is, don't say so =)

spunone69 · #2 (**permalink**) 09-14-2009, 05:26 PM

I wouldn't do it...just my opinion

xkw · #3 (**permalink**) 09-14-2009, 06:01 PM

Anyone have any luck finding a company who is not a member of IHMA or HoMAI?

Thanks

dudewheresmytardis · #4 (**permalink**) 09-14-2009, 08:10 PM

The sine curve in the New York State ID is not a conventional hologram, it's part of the "3M Confirm" laminate used on the front. Anyway it's pretty easy to replicate using int. red, purple and blue loaded into an inkjet solution and printed. Have your template in several parts and colour coded CMY or RGB, print this layer and then either dust or print micropearl over it. The template for both should be translucent and the second layer should be even less opaque. The second template should be slightly offset in order to allow a proper "shift" effect.

Using an actual (presumably) full spectrum hologram on this ID will look too blatent and frankly out of place. The actual ID's curve is actually pretty subtle, esp after the id has had a chance to get worn out a bit. this is because the bumps on the top of the laminate don't hold up to daily use quite like the 3M sales pitch (hxxp://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Identification_and_Authentication_Solutions/Home/Solutions/Security_Materials/) after a while you can't even see the curve, so as long as you barely print it on using a combination of OV inks, and laminate it with a matte, very thin (about 2.5 mils if memory serves) laminate, you're not going to fool the readers 3M sells, but they stop verifying the real thing after an ID has had a chance to be worn down a bit, but you will fool everyone who looks at the damn thing, and considering that the NYPD doesn't use the readers (they have them but they know they're useless) nobody else does either.

Also, I wouldn't use the NY holo template that's been floating arround lately, as it doesn't have microprint. The real one does.

mkmk · #5 (**permalink**) 09-17-2009, 01:55 AM

Just use the stamp kit to make the NY hologram stamp. NY most likely does have their sin curve registered in the hologram database.

Also the NY hologram template will work 100%. Nobody is ever going to get called out for "not having microprint" on the sin curve unless they tried to use the NY fake ID inside a NY government building or something. But the NY temp was made to be used in the other 49 states anyhow.

dudewheresmytardis · #6 (**permalink**) 09-17-2009, 01:37 PM

I wasn't bashing on anyone's work, sorry if it came off like that. The microprint on the sine curve, and dual layering of the printing helps to simulate the shifting effect. This method works really well, and I've not had anyone in NY ever look twice at one of mine.

Valitar · #7 (**permalink**) 11-23-2009, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudewheresmytardis

The sine curve in the New York State ID is not a conventional hologram, it's part of the "3M Confirm" laminate used on the front. Anyway it's pretty easy to replicate using int. red, purple and blue loaded into an inkjet solution and printed. Have your template in several parts and colour coded CMY or RGB, print this layer and then either dust or print micropearl over it. The template for both should be translucent and the second layer should be even less opaque. The second template should be slightly offset in order to allow a proper "shift" effect.

Using an actual (presumably) full spectrum hologram on this ID will look too blatent and frankly out of place. The actual ID's curve is actually pretty subtle, esp after the id has had a chance to get worn out a bit. this is because the bumps on the top of the laminate don't hold up to daily use quite like the 3M sales pitch (hxxp://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Identification_and_Authentication_Solutions/Home/Solutions/Security_Materials/) after a while you can't even see the curve, so as long as you barely print it on using a combination of OV inks, and laminate it with a matte, very thin (about 2.5 mils if memory serves) laminate, you're not going to fool the readers 3M sells, but they stop verifying the real thing after an ID has had a chance to be worn down a bit, but you will fool everyone who looks at the damn thing, and considering that the NYPD doesn't use the readers (they have them but they know they're useless) nobody else does either.

Also, I wouldn't use the NY holo template that's been floating arround lately, as it doesn't have microprint. The real one does.

Goddamn beautiful post. This is the single most challenging aspect for NY's (at least for me), and you make it look easy. Thanks for that.

Along with red, blue, and purple, there is a sort of "base" of int. gold (very translucent, of course). Just wanted to get that out there to help.

spunone69 · #8 (**permalink**) 11-23-2009, 04:04 PM

He DOES make it sound so EASY...but he knows his stuff!!

seventy7 · #9 (**permalink**) 11-23-2009, 04:37 PM

As dudewheresmytardis said, the sin curve wears off. If you make the ID look worn enough, you won't even need it.

ImInvisible · #10 (**permalink**) 11-23-2009, 05:35 PM

dudewheresmytardis> Could you elaborate what kind of prnter and cartridges have you used to do that? As I'm pretty sure most of the decent printers would be clogged really soon with these powders.

peedi · #11 (**permalink**) 12-03-2009, 05:02 AM

I currently have a epson CISS system connected to my printer, i was wondering if i put a lil pearl ex pigments #674 will give me the sin wave effect. i will let u guys know...