Heard of "eWhore" Networks?

DiggzDawg · #1 (**permalink**) 10-22-2009, 04:23 AM

Have you guys heard of eWhoring networks?

They are basically offshoots of large "adult" companies. What they do is offer their affiliates a simple credit card submit form. The affiliates then pretend to be a girl and get guys to enter their credit card details as a way of "verifying their age".

But after he enters his information, he is charged about $75 3-7 days after for access to some random webcam site.

The affiliate gets paid $20-$30 for every sign-up.

What gets me is how these networks have stayed afloat with their merchant accounts and credit card billers for so long.

Anyways, I got an invite to be an affiliate for one of these networks. Any ideas on how to monetize this?

I was thinking about VCC's - but after looking around, they cost about $5-$7 each and most of them don't work with the submit.

So I am thinking of "alternative" ways on how I can get submits.

(this is my first post, and I have looked over the rules - so let me know if I've done anything wrong)

DiggzDawg · #2 (**permalink**) 10-22-2009, 04:28 AM

One more thing: all of this is purely "hypothetical"

thoughtcriminal · #3 (**permalink**) 10-24-2009, 02:00 AM

Diggz --

I did this back in 2002 and 2003. I had a series of follow-up emails after I automatically nabbed emails via a artificial intelligence chat bot that chatted up horny men online and got them to give their emails. I then sent a series of mails that started with playful flirting, then a photo, then a voice recording of a woman saying hi (generic), then a poem, and then got them to visit the site and needed them to verify their age to see my nudes. You need to control the page after the verify so that you can give them what they paid for. It's not really fraudulent, but it is deceptive. They are agreeing to a trial of a site or certain network of sites. The chargebacks are REALLY high in this industry, though. It's possible they outright won't pay you after you've done a good amount of sales. The merchant accounts that are used for these are considered 'high risk' accounts and they pay out the nose in fees as such. Be careful, they might not pay.

- T.C.

DiggzDawg · #4 (**permalink**) 10-24-2009, 08:15 PM

Thanks for the reply.

I've read up on some forums about this network, and they have a really good "rep" for paying out every week and on time.

I was thinking about ways to game the network without doing the actual eWhoring since it gets a little annoying.

Originally I was thinking about using VCCs but apparently they billers can tell the difference between a real CC and a VCC so they don't work.

I am looking for a way to make dough with these guys, but don't want to hurt guys at the same time.

But I'm all for hurting the network since they make their cash fucking guys over anyways

thoughtcriminal · #5 (**permalink**) 10-26-2009, 07:33 AM

The "eWhoring" doesn't have to be annoying or tough. That payout is pretty good, and worth the time. You have a few options. Your mileage may vary these days. I won't go too far into detail, however, if you want to pay for my time and instruction, I can show you how to pull in easily over $500 per week if you dedicate 2-3 hours/day to it, just using simple methods that don't require much capital outlay. If it's recurring payouts, which it's probably not, that'll build up a decent base. $2,000 per month is down syndrome high schooler pay but it'll get you in a position to hire people to increase the numbers. One of these methods does involve hiring some people right off the bat.

Anyway the first thing I ever did was logon to AOL and feed a story about why I used a verification service that ensures the person 18 or over to various guys. This worked maybe 1 in 3 or 4 (25 - 33% "conversion ratio"), and a few hours a day would net maybe 5 sales. That would bring around $200 a day for me, and at the time it wasn't bad for only doing it 3 hours a day while on the beach on vacation! That's back before I really started doing adult promotions.

Try the manual method on AOL, Yahoo personals (and regular chat), BlackPlanet (where the young male nigs are ATM machines), some other dating sites, etc, to test the water before you move on to automating it. You either need to be able to code, or hire someone that can on a regular basis as you'll be writing the code for lots of sites and they will need to be tweaked constantly.

Then I automated it. I wrote programs to automate messaging on dating sites, community sites, AOL, Yahoo! chat, etc. I was spending maybe $500 per month on memberships and had an ROI of 1,000% plus. Super easy dough. At this point I hadn't hired anyone. This was a mixture of mainly automated and manual. It can't just be all automated. I had multiple computers sitting on a shelf in my spare bedroom just clicking and typing away. It was an easy alternate stream of income.

Then I started hiring people to type CAPTCHAS, girls to answer phone calls, girls to record voice messages, girls to take pictures that had the guy's name somewhere written on their body, etc. People to sit there and write VB code all day for $10/hr using a library I had written to automate a lot of this, and to watch the systems. The grunts getting paid $5.25 an hour and they were mainly high schoolers. You probably won't want to do this.

If you want details, and sample applications that I wrote including the library that makes doing it all a lot easier, hit me up. I have sold the systems in the past and am open to offers. I don't do adult promotions anymore as I have moved on to other more lucrative things that require a lot more thinking (I like the challenge) than this shit, but the money is there. Expect to get my entire source code library + details of the systems [I'll talk to you on the phone] for around $1,500. You'll make it back in a few weeks and every few weeks beyond that you'll rake it in.

- T.C.

spunone69 · #6 (**permalink**) 10-26-2009, 11:31 PM

If you're just trying to get peoples info, post an ad on CL for a house for rent...when people e-mail you about it, send them a rental application. If the rent is CHEAP enough, some idiots will fill out the form and send it back!! Then you have their bank info, DL, birthdate, current address etc...

thoughtcriminal · #7 (**permalink**) 10-27-2009, 09:13 PM

I'm not quite sure this is what he was gunning for :-). Originally he wanted to know (ostensibly) if there was a way to, uh, cleverly manipulate the guys running the billing. I presented a more honest business venture that he could use to make good, consistent money. With the personal info you'd obtain using the rental applications there's really nothing that could be done with the 'eWhore' sites as he called it. However I'm sure he could figure something else out

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Originally Posted by spunone69

If you're just trying to get peoples info, post an ad on CL for a house for rent...when people e-mail you about it, send them a rental application. If the rent is CHEAP enough, some idiots will fill out the form and send it back!! Then you have their bank info, DL, birthdate, current address etc...

DiggzDawg · #8 (**permalink**) 10-28-2009, 10:59 PM

Thanks a lot for your comments man. If you want, hit me up with a PM about that library offer.

Yeah, I don't really want to screw over innocent people. I'd rather screw over the billers lol. I'm already working one thing that's bringing in about $100/day over the last week which is okay.

donate · #9 (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 07:47 PM

I'm making GOOD money off of this.

I have a fully automated setup, Spamming sites getting traffi to my AI Bot (Yahoo/MSN/AIM/ICQ), talks to them for a little bit.. hit them with my LP and boom, 1:7 with yahoo alone.. Shits been a gold mine for me :O.. $30 a sale i got offers