U.S. Presidential Race

[Macaveli]

Who do you think is going to win?

Who do I think is going to win?
I'm hoping for McCain/Palin because as far as I'm concerned I've heard one to many reports in which Obama has had affiliation with either corrupt real estate agents, members of past terriost organizations or corrupt state officials. He has this whole promotion on change and in reality he has never made an effort to change nothing, so why would that change?

The only reason he was even nominated was because (please do not take this as a racist commment for I am not racist by any means) he is black and all the black billionaires put millions of dollars behind his campaign. I mean yeah thats fine with me but don't come and tell me if my income is over a certain amount a year your going to raise our taxes to 50% or more. That crock of shit he states is only appealing to lower class society. Smart move but drastic and very, very unfounded. The only change Obama is going to make is the History Books and I believe thats the change he's talking about because his policies are crap both foriegn and economic.

The man is obviously delirious or something. He is racist and I don't care if one of your parents is not black. You cannot sit here and tell a person with any common sense whatsoever that just because you know Rev. Wright that your not racist. YOU WERE HIS CLOSEST FRIEND FOR OVER 20 YEARS. Either some of your views obviously had similarities or you where banging his wife!

All in all, If Obama wins just kiss everybody good by besides black society. I'm sorry but thats just the way it is and I've had my non-racist black friends tell me the same thing. Believe if he had as good credentials as McCain or even Palin then he would be an awsome president. Thats the problem though his credentials are no were even close to McCains VP selection.


I know a lot of you don't care because this has nothing to do with your country so keep those comments to yourself and dont fill this thread with useless bullshit!
Thank You

[Beyond]

I'll probably write in Newt Gingrich. I hope he gives it a run next time around, a lot of people we're really hoping he would this election.

He had as much as 13% of the Republican vote last year despite not even officially stating intentions to run.

I'm actually pulling for Obama in this election because it could potentially setup a Republican Revolution version 2, hopefully lead by the original mastermind (Gingrich).

[ReDemption]

McCain/Palin FTMFW

[jrly]

Why I can't vote for:

1. Sarah Palin:
Palin pressured Wasilla librarian: Gov. Sarah Palin | adn.com
Monegan says Palin administration and first gentleman used governor's office to pressure firing first family's former brother-in-law - KTVA
Democracy Now! | Headlines for September 08, 2008 (ooh, another crusade)
There was also something about her shooting a moose with an assault rifle, but I can't find it and her pregnant daughter hypocrisy.

2. Joe Biden:
Biden's Link To Credit-Card Firm Questioned : NPR
And he is pro-Iraq War, though:
Joe Biden's Environmental Record

3. Barack Obama:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/20/obama_supports_fisa_legislatio.html

4. John McCain:
I am not going to find different articles against McCain, but I will generalize: flip-flopped on abortion and some other things, and seems(to me) to have sold out to Bush and buddies.

So everyone knows, there is another 2008 election thread:
2008 Presidential Candidates
and how screwed up is it that people started speculating on the 2008 presidential candidate in December 2006. Does anyone else think that if you are going to run for President, or just about anything else, the person should have to resign first, because you only have to look at Obama and McCain's recent voting records to see that they are hardly ever there and voting?

Edit: I noticed this in the Obama FISA page:

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) called passing the legislation a "vital national security matter" -- and alienating his base.

And he wasn't even there to vote on it.

[bloodlusta]

Obama is the man, he could really make change. if the yanks pick mc'cane they will get the same thing they had with bush

[Core Entropy]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

Obama is the man, he could really make change. if the yanks pick mc'cane they will get the same thing they had with bush

First of all his name is McCain not Mc'Cane and second all Obama is, is a celebrity. He doesn't know how to handle foreign policies and has absolutely no expirience. Plus he is a liar.

Barack promises 95% of Americans will get Tax cuts. But he also says that he will raise health care for the sick and elderly, plus will get rid of taxes for the elderly completely and give more money to the education. He cannot do this without RAISING taxes which is all he will do.

[Beyond]

Originally Posted by jrly

and how screwed up is it that people started speculating on the 2008 presidential candidate in December 2006. Does anyone else think that if you are going to run for President, or just about anything else, the person should have to resign first, because you only have to look at Obama and McCain's recent voting records to see that they are hardly ever there and voting?

So you're suggesting that the most powerful position in the world should be vacated before speculation on a successor begins? Smart, real smart.

[jrly]

No, you misunderstand me. I am saying that since Obama and McCain are the Democratic and Republican nominations, then they should have to resign because their voters are getting nothing from them. I am not saying that Bush should have to resign when people start running for president, even though he has committed war crimes and never won an election but thats off topic.

[Macaveli]

That cannot happen though. They are voted by their people to serve on the Senate but the only way they can get out of the postion without resigning or being found in corruption before their term is up is to move to a higher postion, which is the Presidency. It really makes no sense for any of them to resign because their can only be one victor. The loser returns to his respective postion as if nothing happened.

[Beyond]

Originally Posted by jrly

No, you misunderstand me. I am saying that since Obama and McCain are the Democratic and Republican nominations, then they should have to resign because their voters are getting nothing from them. I am not saying that Bush should have to resign when people start running for president, even though he has committed war crimes and never won an election but thats off topic.

It's the summer, the Senate isn't really in "full swing". I think they met 9 times in the month of August (and that was just to assign President Pro Tempore and assign recess - which basically means nothing), and the House met just once.

They aren't out there making huge laws or decisions this time of year. Look for that to come in the late fall-early spring.

[Macaveli]

This is an answer to Jrly's post.

Opinion of the first link you submitted.
That article is true but what the hell does it have to do with any of the major decisions she has made that the state of Alaska has obviously benefitted from. You mean to tell me if you came into any kind of power you wouldn't test the loyalty of your employee's. I sure would. That right there is not a legitament reason to suggest any foul play on this ladies part. And since there is was no discussion on what she ment by "Banning/Censoring" books such as what kind of books or whatnot then how can you hold an disregard to that discussion. For all you know she could have wanted to ban books that talk about building explosives and the manufacture of drugs/narcotics(which I can go to the library right now and find). Which would be fine with me because I would not want my daughter with no insight to the dangers of such knowledge getting into that. That is of course what she was referring to but that we will never know.

Second Link.
Obviously you did no research and are just reading media propaganda. Her ex-brother in law was brought before a court for harassment and other law breaking accusations. I won't even comment on that because any person with morals and respect for their loved ones would do the same. I would hope.

Third Opinion
Well what do you want me to say to that. You're going to criticize her for her beliefs. She has done great things for the State of Alaska. Those people get like 1000-2000 dollars a month from the oil companies. It is by GODS blessing that she has been able to do so.

And seeing as you have been unable to find any remotely corrupt evidence against McCain you see why I will be voting for them.
Also as I have stated on numerous occasions. Bush is not to blame for our economic problems. If you watched Bill O'Rilley last night you would obviously see that since Bush has become president the federal government has seen a 20% increase in stuff like stocks and other monetary obligations. that is 14% more than when a democrat was in president(hint:Clinton).
Yes, Some of their there opinions I do not agree with but would I rather have a U.S. WAR HERO in office or an associate of terriosts and corrupt officials?

[jrly]

Beyond, that is very true, because I was just looking Obama's voting record and in March there was a shitload and he voted on them all, so you have persuaded me.

Originally Posted by Macaveli

Opinion of the first link you submitted.
That article is true but what the hell does it have to do with any of the major decisions she has made that the state of Alaska has obviously benefitted from. You mean to tell me if you came into any kind of power you wouldn't test the loyalty of your employee's. I sure would. That right there is not a legitament reason to suggest any foul play on this ladies part. And since there is was no discussion on what she ment by "Banning/Censoring" books such as what kind of books or whatnot then how can you hold an disregard to that discussion. For all you know she could have wanted to ban books that talk about building explosives and the manufacture of drugs/narcotics(which I can go to the library right now and find). Which would be fine with me because I would not want my daughter with no insight to the dangers of such knowledge getting into that. That is of course what she was referring to but that we will never know.

I disagree with the very idea of censoring any sort of book at any library or bookstore, which is the main reason that this goes against my beliefs. I can remember when the Daily Show book came out, America: The Book, that it was banned in some libraries for indecency because it showed the supreme court naked, and even for those reasons I find it bullshit. Another case of banning books for a worthless cause is at the library near me, some Tom Robbins books were removed for having explicit sex scenes in them, but that is not what the point of the scene was and that kind of thing happens. If they banned romance novels, I would still disagree but at least I would understand.And yes I can understand wanting to test your employees, but she was the librarian. I find it ironic that you don't want your daughter looking at explosives and such, but yet are posting on a website that has lots that sort of information, and the information found at a library on how to make explosives would probably far more accurate.

Originally Posted by Macaveli

Second Link.
Obviously you did no research and are just reading media propaganda. Her ex-brother in law was brought before a court for harassment and other law breaking accusations. I won't even comment on that because any person with morals and respect for their loved ones would do the same. I would hope.

It couldn't have been because Palin's sister and the ex-husband are in a messy child-custody law suit and Palin was trying to get back at him or maybe she said let my sister have the kids or I'll fire you.
Cite

Originally Posted by Macaveli

Third Opinion
Well what do you want me to say to that. You're going to criticize her for her beliefs. She has done great things for the State of Alaska. Those people get like 1000-2000 dollars a month from the oil companies. It is by GODS blessing that she has been able to do so.

In that link I was referncing the top part, thats why I said ooh a crusade:

Sarah Palin: “Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan. So bless them with your prayers, your prayers of protection over our soldiers.”

But anyways, Alaskans get $2000 no matter what and the State Congress was trying to add $500-$1000 more and its not from oil companies, its tax revenues from the oil companies, theres a difference. And yes I'm going to criticize her for her beliefs because that decides what she is going to do if she and McCain are elected.

Originally Posted by Macaveli

And seeing as you have been unable to find any remotely corrupt evidence against McCain you see why I will be voting for them.
Also as I have stated on numerous occasions. Bush is not to blame for our economic problems. If you watched Bill O'Rilley last night you would obviously see that since Bush has become president the federal government has seen a 20% increase in stuff like stocks and other monetary obligations. that is 14% more than when a democrat was in president(hint:Clinton0

I just didn't feel like looking for stuff against McCainafter finding all the other stuff, but I will eventually because once again I am tired of finding all this stuff. I try not to watch Bill O'Reilly because that much bullshit in place and in such large quantities tend to make me feel nauseous. I don't know about those numbers, but I'd rather not have my country being owned by countries like Japan and China since they own(or whatever its called) 47% of the US foreign debt which adds up to more a trillion dollars.
Cite
And US debt in general is pretty self explanitory in the graph below:

Originally Posted by Macaveli

Yes, Some of their there opinions I do not agree with but would I rather have a U.S. WAR HERO in office or an associate of terriosts and corrupt officials?

I don't know if this is what your refernce to corruption is and it is possible that Obama sold out to the teamster, I don't know.

Obama Denies Pledge to Teamsters to End Federal Oversight - America’s Election HQ

And I can't belief that I just referenced Fox News with its "Fair and Balanced Coverage."

I assume that the terrorists which you were refering is a current professor(he might be retired now) who was involved in the Madison university weapronry bombing by the something hawks(I can't remember their name), but Obama just had dinner at the guy's house, it's not like they are planning to bomb the White House(and now I am being watcher). The way you said is just like the assholes on Fox News say, with just enough to peak someone's interest and be wary of Obama, making him seem like he is in cohoots with bin Laden, and just vague enough to give absolutely no idea whats going on.

I will probably post some of the reasons I'm against McCain tommorrow if I don't have to defend myself to thoroughly.

[Macaveli]

Actually FOX is the only Media Organization that has delievered fair and balanced reporting compared to MSNBC and NBC which the majority of the board is black. So just to clear that up you tell me who is delievering fair and balanced coverage?

Originally Posted by jrly

I assume that the terrorists which you were refering is a current professor(he might be retired now) who was involved in the Madison university weapronry bombing by the something hawks(I can't remember their name), but Obama just had dinner at the guy's house, it's not like they are planning to bomb the White House(and now I am being watcher). The way you said is just like the assholes on Fox News say, with just enough to peak someone's interest and be wary of Obama, making him seem like he is in cohoots with bin Laden, and just vague enough to give absolutely no idea whats going on.

His name is William Ayers(Weather Underground) and he stated this:
''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough".

I don't care if he did it 500 yrs ago he is still a terrorist. Tell me, Do you look at a pedophile as a person or a sick demented human who takes advantage of children? Would you still view that person as this if he hasn't "done" it in 20 years? And further more would you leave your daughter around a person like that even though its been 20 years?

The reason I say that is yeah he may be a professor but with that statement right there if he was given a chance to overthrow the governement, which he tried to do in the 60s and 70s, he would! He is being given that opportunity now if Obama is elected!

Originally Posted by jrly

I disagree with the very idea of censoring any sort of book at any library or bookstore, which is the main reason that this goes against my beliefs. I can remember when the Daily Show book came out, America: The Book, that it was banned in some libraries for indecency because it showed the supreme court naked, and even for those reasons I find it bullshit. Another case of banning books for a worthless cause is at the library near me, some Tom Robbins books were removed for having explicit sex scenes in them, but that is not what the point of the scene was and that kind of thing happens. If they banned romance novels, I would still disagree but at least I would understand.And yes I can understand wanting to test your employees, but she was the librarian. I find it ironic that you don't want your daughter looking at explosives and such, but yet are posting on a website that has lots that sort of information, and the information found at a library on how to make explosives would probably far more accurate.

Obviously I must of not explained good enough, sorry. No I dont believe in censorship either but I do believe that censorship for certain stuff to kids is. Yes I am very well aware that I am a member of a site that encourges freedom of speech and knowledge but you can't tell me that knowing how to make an IED would benefit a child. Though that is off topic because like I said we will never know what she was trying to censor seeing as probebly only her husband and herself know.

Now that Debt graph you have posted. Come on man I know you are a lot smarter than this. I never said we were not in debt. I stated economic growth has been the highest it has ever been and unemployment is still at a record low. Yes anyone with common sense knows that with any war will come some kind of debt in some way. That's a given in any circumstance.

Now on to newer topics that have procurred over the past week.

What has happened the past week shows how many cry babies there are in the democratic party. Democrats would have praised Obama if he had suspended his campaign to work on the financial crisis. Reason why he didn't is because he is a Jr. Senator. McCain does it and he is considered an idiot because he can't run the campaign and work on the financial crisis we find ourselves in at the moment. In reality I say screw the campaign we need this fixed right now.

This is to add icing to the cake. I know you know that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were both funded and started by the democratic party. They were ran the way the democrats wanted them to be ran and guess what they have caused an economic problem that McCain saw coming YEARS ago. There is nothing about Obama or what he wants done that has any relativity to boosting America again. All he wants to do is raise taxes, pardon his partners in crime and become the first black president. All other priorities are out the window.

To blame Bush for all the problems that we are undergoing right now is completely ridiculous. I mean seriously bro you have to know how this stuff works. Just because Bush proposes an idea it has to be passed by congress which is, guess what, ran by democrats currently! The only thing people have to seriously blame is the war. With questions like, Why are we not fighting Al Queda?
Well guess what. Al Queda is not a nation and they are not all in a group waving a bright yellow flag saying "Hey were right here bomb us?"
So he did do the right thing by bombing and tumbling they're supporters. I don't care what the media feeds anyone either Saddam financialing supported this terrorist group and I would not doubt that he has fed them weapons of potential mass destruction. And if I am not mistaken the U.S. Military just extradited a couple 100 thousand or million barrels of Saddams most infamous "mustard gas". So much for not having weapons of mass destruction huh.

Well I'm going to stop for now to see what excuse you have now. Lmao.