Animal cruelty

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http://www.sa.indymedia.org/news/2005/06/8404.php:

In South Korea, it is common to eat dogs. This is not done in a humane manner, but by torturing them to death by hanging, strangulation, and beatings with such objects as bricks, large rocks, heavy rod-like objects and electrocution. They do this for long periods of time in order to terrorize and cause great suffering to the animal. They die a very slow and painful death. This brutal execution is done to dogs, because many South Koreans believe the flesh from a dog who is tortured to death has aphrodisiac qualities and tastes better. Some South Koreans torture cats by hitting them on the head repeatedly with hammers, by placing them in sacks which are then pounded on the ground, or by other methods that produce slow and painful death. Dead cats are cooked along with ginger, dates and chestnuts to make a brown paste or "Liquid Cat" which is foolishly thought by many South Koreans to be a remedy for rheumatism and joint problems.

Should the brutal treatment and death of a dog or cat concern us more than if the same were done to a cow? In order to make beef "Kosher," a Rabbi comes in and blesses a cow as it is hoistered off the ground by its back legs and its throat slit so its windpipe can be pulled out. It is then set loose to run around until it suffocates. Do a yahoo video search for "slaughter"

[kbk]

They are animals, here for what? O, for us to eat. I think you should treat them with respect, but I don't support any animal rights groups or any shit like that. The animals shouldn't be mistreated, but I don't really care much about it. I don't know how much sense all that I just said made but o well..

[-inefficiency-]

This is pretty fucking sick though. I mean, is there any need for it when they could just shoot it or something?

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that link isn't for the faint hearted, dont click it if you don't like the sight of blood.

[NineSins]

that's pretty.. um.. provokative.

i'm not a vegitarian.. i never had any thought of becoming one.. but i heard these statements from somewhere else and found em worth considering:

The killing of animals for meat comes from our ancestrial instincts of survival. But since the advancements of technology and civilisation.. it's not Necessary to eat meat to survive. Plants are the main source of energy on the planet.. so the if we compare 100g of meat to 100g of fruits/veggies, the fruits/veggies'll have way more energy than the meat. We are omnivore, so humans should be able to survive on plants alone.

interesting point of view, but i rather stick to my roots.

considering animal cruelty? i'm not particularily against it.. but i DO find it disturbing.

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The point isn't so much that we are killing them, I agree with kbk that that's what they're here for. But the fact that we could shoot them and instead we hang them upside down and slit their throats, so that they will be KOSHER?! and they pay money to have it kosherized. Those payments are made by the consumer. We pay them to do it this way. If you buy a pack of ground beef with a circled K on it what do you think that means? You got it. You're paying an extra .17 cents for meat that has been TORTURED.

[kbk]

That is pretty bad...Animals should have the right to die with dignity as well as humans..

[yaiir]

what makes me laugh is how there are animal charities that ask for more than poverty charitys etc that help starving african kids. if somewhere in the world there were animals that were starving by the hundereds, thousands, or even millions, of starving animals, there would be a worldwide outcry, but nowadays, nobody bats an eyelid when people die.

im all for animal rights, as animals have feelings too, but people should also set their prioritys straight

and about the slaughter thing, im not too sure about the jewish way of killing the animal. i do know that muslims can also eat kosher meat because it counts as halal, but the muslim way of killing the animal is completely humane.

the animals head is taken cleanly off in one movement. all its nerves are severed and the animal dies in seconds. also, because the head is taken off, the blood is drained more easily which makes the meat cleaner.

there are also other rules for meat to be halal, eg no other animals can be there when the slaughter is happening etc.

[Random]

Originally Posted by kbk

That is pretty bad...Animals should have the right to die with dignity as well as humans..

Unless you are on a TV show, there is no dignity in death. But that is going slightly off topic.

I think that "animal cruelty" is just a term to describe what's happened in the past, and what will forever continue to happen. Humans are bloodthirsty carnivores (fine, omnivores...), and they will do what they do best to get their food. I don't think a few activist groups striving for peace on earth between humans and animals is ever going to change anything.

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One of these days the animals are going to revolt and we'll be locked up in cages for our entire lives only to be killed and eaten by the animals.
I endeavored to start a band in highschool called Human Zoo based on the idea that the animals will soon take over and we'll be gawked at and teased as animals in the zoo.

[Fuse]

Animals are cute. If I ever saw an animal get tortured I wouldn't eat it.

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I have seen court cases on tv where people will take a dog, put it in a trashcan, put gasoline on it, and set it on fire. The plastic melts and sticks like napalm and this hairless dog runs around the neighborhood ON FIRE past innocent little kids and eventually dies of burns. The fuckers who did it got a couple of years and nothing more.
There were also these two teenagers who butchered a dog and danced covered in its blood in the moonlight. They thought they were Satanists by doing it; believe me, I KNOW about satanism, and that's not it. Orthodox Satanism is pro animal rights and there are no "bloody sacrifices". That's strictly a religious thing.

[S25]

I dont believe in torturing animals but yet i love going hunting my theory is that if they die with minimum pain and if they are in pain you stop it believe it or not i have gotten in a fight with people for torturing animals (was walking past and saw it happening and stopped it)

[Fuse]

Originally Posted by NineSins

considering animal cruelty? i'm not particularily against it.. but i DO find it disturbing.

How could you not be against animal cruelty. And if humans were cute and fluffy, there would be less murders.

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I'd be more likely to kill someone who was ugly.

[headcase]

True I suppose.....

I have no problem with killing animals quickly and cleanly for food, I'd be completely against torture though. As for Korea, there's nothing we can do and we have bigger problems to deal with. If you want to do something there's you'll have to join an animal rights group. The general public will be much easier to sway if it's THEIR food is being tortured. Although I suppose to make a difference I guess you'd still have to join an animal rights group.... better chance of success though.

As for methods, I don't know, but I once saw some people with a giant poster of a half-slaughtered cow in the street, and while I supported their cause, I got pretty pissed off and let them know. I was old enough at the time and I found it a little disturbing, but there were little kids in the street crying. So I'd say be careful or you might damage your own cause.

Obviously inefficency's link is different, there are no kids on this site and you don't have to see it if you don't want to, and he even warned us about it.

[Kaos-theory]

just checked ineficencys link.

normaly im okay with seeing blood and all that. i can sit and lauhg and all that bout it. But the video was quite disgusting. honestly . that was seriously sick shit. just slitting its main arterty and lettign it beeled to death , as well as having what looked liuek a live wire conected to its mouth? enoguh to put you of eating Beef, oh well beefs tasty enough.

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I don't understand the necessity of it; this would put a lot of adrenaline in the blood which would make it taste bad. Plus it's just mean.

[headcase]

Does adrenaline taste bad?

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When you go hunting and you shoot the deer(I'm using that as an example) you try to kill it quickly, with one shot. There are two reasons for this. First, so it doesn't run away where you can't find it. Second, so it doesn't get excited and make the meat taste bitter.

[blindreaper]

I agree that animals have to be killed to be eaten, because it's the way the world works; bigger things eat smaller things and we're at the top. However, animals, unlike fish, do feel pain, do feel suffering and will go through the same suffering that humans would if they were tortured. Animals should only be killed for a good reason, e.g food, predator control, and they should be killed in a 'painless', quick way.

As for dogs, this is even more cruel because dogs have a pack instinct in which they learn to respect and trust a leader. Therefore dogs trust and respect humans. Being so cruel to dogs is a betrayal of this trust and the dog suffers even more because it can't understand why.

I do not believe in all this animal rights group rubbish, but there should be stricter laws for deliberate illegal cruelty to animals.

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I can't imagine being mean to my dog. I hate to have to yell at him, and I haven't "spanked" him since he was a puppy. I can understand a parent saying "this'll hurt me more than it will you" before they give you a whippin'.