2012?

[A Toxicated Mind]

Do you think the world is going to come to an end in 2012? I think the date I saw was, dec. 21[<-the part of the date im not sure] 2012.

Will add more tomorow in an edit.

[jrly]

I'm pretty sure it is December 12, 2012(12-12-12), and that it is from multiple cultures. The Mayans believed that the earth, the moon, the sun, and some(maybe all) of the planets would line up and it would through off lots of different stuff. But is from many other cultures, can't think of any other ones though.

[i have the speed]

i've only ever heard it related with Myan culture.

[Random]

The date varies, depending on whose book you read.

The Mayan calendar uses different divisions to our weeks / months / years et cetera. They have 5 divisions:

One day is a "kin".
20 kin is a "Uinal".
360 kin is a "Tun".
7200 kin is a "Katun".
144,000 kin is a "Baktun".

The mythological "great cycle", which is the time from the start of the Long Cycle calendar until jrly's convergence (although it is more about convergence of bodies on a galactic level, rather than just planets in our system) - which also just happens to be a winter solstice - lasts for 13 Baktun, or 1,872,000 days.

To work out exactly when that was, a researcher named J. Eric S. Thompson looked through data from the areas of astronomy, ethnography, archeology and iconography, and in 1929 determined that the start of the Great Cycle corresponded to the Julian date 584283 (other researchers have different ideas, and so the date varies).

That Julian date then corresponds to a date in the Gregorian calendar that we use: August 11th, 3114 B. C.

Add our 13 Baktun to that, and you get December 21, 2012.

Again, it will depend on what book you read.

[ilovetoblowthingsup]

Well, i've always thought that the world was coming to an end soon. Apocalypse! HAH.

[headcase]

Timothy Leary came to a similar date with his Novelty Theory. He did alter it to fit upon realising their similarities though (amoungst the other questionable academic facets of that theory).

[Steve_TPF]

People have been predicting the end of the world for centuries. So far it hasn't happened, and I don't see any reason why it should.

Besides, how do you define "end of the world"? Death of all humans? Total destruction of the planet? Or just a stock-market crash?

A giant meteorite strike would probably mean the end of the world "as we know it", but there would still be some life remaining, probably bacterial, and it would eventually start over.

[headcase]

... again.

[hamster dood]

Originally Posted by headcase

... again.

Referring to the dinosaurs right?

[headcase]

There were actually a few mass extinctions. Life has recovered several times.

[Psychonaut]

With the Myan belief that the planets will all line up at this time, throwing things out, it has been shown that all of the planets lining up would exert less force on you than a 747 flying above your head at 30,000 feet. Go figure, Myans

[jrly]

Can you back that up? I'm pretty sure that the planets lining up would have a large effect, like screwing up the tides of the ocean.

[Psychonaut]

Well, I remember Dr. Karl Kruszelnicki said it on JJJ radio when I was listening one morning a few weeks ago.

But think about it. The force of attraction between two objects decreases by the square of the distance, and we're talking fucking big distances here.

And if the planets lining up made a big difference, wouldn't the mere location of a large planet like Jupiter or Saturn make a noticeable difference? As they don't, then all the planets lining up wouldn't.

But let's further the opposing theory further. Why stop at planets? Our Solar system is on an outer arm of our galaxy, right? If a few planets lining up affects us, what about the sheer monumental mass of all those other solar systems and stars pulling us to the centre of the galaxy? That's right, were aren't getting sucked off earth.

And even though the moon is very light comparatively, it is also incredibly close comparatively, which is why its gravitational pull is less diminished than other celestial bodies, which is why it can cause tides.

But if you really want me to work out the mathematical proof, jrly, I suppose I'll find some time in the next week to do that.

[headcase]

I actually calculated this. I figured I'd calculate the gravitational force from jupiter when it's closest to the earth. If it's not insignificant compared to the moon, then the theory will hold slightly more water, if only slightly.

Force due to gravity= (Gm1m2)/d^2

Where G is the gravitational constanr, m1 and m2 are the masses of the objects and d is the distance from centre to centre.

Here are the relevant details;

G= 6.67428 x 10^-11
mass of the earth = 5.9742 x 10^24 kg
mass of the moon = 7.36 x 10^22 kg
mass of jupiter = 1.8987 x 10^27 kg

Distance from Earth to the Moon = 384,403,000m
Distance from Earth to Jupiter = 588,000,000,000m

---------------------------

Gravitational force between Earth and the moon=

(6.67428^-11)(5.9742x10^24)(7.36x10^22)
...................(384,403,000)^2


2.9347 x 10^37
1.4777 x 10^17

= 1.986 x 10^20 J (not sure of the units, but it'll do for comparison)

__________________________________________________ __________

Gravitational force between Earth and Jupiter

(I'm not typing this calculation out. No one will check it anyway. Suffice to say to get

75708 x 10^41
45744 x 10^23

= 2.1897 x 10^22

__________________________________________________ ___________

... which is greater than the gravitational force from the moon. Which makes me believe I made a mistake. Someone care to check those calculations?

[i have the speed]

hxxp://www.drumright.ossm.edu/astronomy/forces.html

seems relevant, especially the last paragraph before the References title.

[headcase]

Point made. Anyone know where I went wrong though? Just out of curiosity...

[jrly]

I found the gravitational forces of all the planets, the moon, and the sun upon the earth. Here are my calculations:

Originally Posted by headcase

... which is greater than the gravitational force from the moon. Which makes me believe I made a mistake. Someone care to check those calculations?

Pretty sure you didn't make a mistake, because that is about what I got with my calculations. Not sure all these numbers would effect the earth, but I think that if all the planets lined up it would have some effect. And I was talking to someone and he said that he thought it was a solar system alignment besides planetary, I haven't checked but that is what he said.
And headcase the units are newtons not joules.

[headcase]

Quick not on you're alignment of the planets. If it went;

Earth - Sun - Everything else

... then it would be greater again. Adding the significant force of the sun to the balance.

Although at this stage I say it's my astrophysics letting me down. It's good to encourage this kind of participation, though.

[jrly]

If I am understanding correctly you are saying
E-S-M-V-M-J-S-U-N-P
all lined up. Yeah I guess that would change it. I was thinking of it as all the planets in a row starting with the sun farthest in and all the others going out with mercury and venus closer to the sun then earth, but your way would put a lot more stress on the earth.

But what I want to know is what kind of force it would take to mess the earth's tide or whatever else could get screwed up like this.

[headcase]

Well, to measure that (or at least give us a point of reference) I'd work out what force the Moon exerts. But according to our calculations, it would cause a massive change. But according to their calculations, it wouldn't.

I do, of course, take their calcualtions as fact; but I want to know why I'm wrong.

[jrly]

headcase, I'm pretty sure that that our calculations are correct. On the other website it doesn't specify what they are measuring or how they got those numbers. If you look at the numbers that I got it looks like the final force exertec is barely larger than the largest force I found. For the one side the sun completely dwarfs mercury and venus and the other it is almost the same for jupiter. Looking at these numbers I am more or less convinced that the planets lining wouldn't really do anything, but I still would like to know what kind of force would be required to cause damage.

[brendon575]

with my 3 year experiance of being from abovetopsecret.com i must say that the date is dec 21 2012. it is the end of the calendar for the mayans. period. dont tell me oh but thats not translated right yadda yadda. it is. go wikipedia. supposedly that is the date when the savior is supposed to come. there is supposed to be two angels that come. one in arizona usa. the other in brazil somewhere. supposedly by the end of the year 2009 we should be in an overall civil war in most places of the world.
i only know this information from what ive heard through prophets. hey they could be wrong who knows.
all i know is something is seriously going on in the world lately and i dont like it.

(edit) and yah the world has ended many times before. and this time it wont be from global warming. fluctuations of the earths climate happen every so hundred years.

[Random]

Originally Posted by brendon575

dont tell me oh but thats not translated right yadda yadda. it is. go wikipedia.

Yes, because Wikipedia is the ultimate authority on everything... :roll:

[jrly]

Originally Posted by brenden575

with my 3 year experiance of being from abovetopsecret.com i must say that the date is dec 21 2012.

Originally Posted by AboveTopSecret.com

The original Maya were interdimensional galactic travelers

Yeah I really trust you and AboveTopSecret.com when you and they say crap like, so I am sure you are right about all this shit. Not. But I must concede that it is December 21 not 12, because I was thinking 12-12-12, but why would they use our calender and since December 21 is the winter solcitice, it makes sense, but I stil stick to the fact that you and AboveTopSecret.com are dipshits.

[db]

Only two ways I see would be the sun exploding and everything freezing over or us using nuclear weapons and killing each other.

[brendon575]

hahaha yes abovetopsecret is full of dipshits. i somewhat agree. it used to be an interesting place. then just kinda got big too fast. im not really saying i believe all of this stuff. its justwhat ive heard.

and from what i know about where our sun is in its life cycle im pretty sure its not gonna explode. :]

[Steve_TPF]

Originally Posted by brendan575

with my 3 year experiance of being from abovetopsecret.com i must say that the date is dec 21 2012. it is the end of the calendar for the mayans. period. dont tell me oh but thats not translated right yadda yadda. it is. go wikipedia. supposedly that is the date when the savior is supposed to come. there is supposed to be two angels that come. one in arizona usa. the other in brazil somewhere. supposedly by the end of the year 2009 we should be in an overall civil war in most places of the world.
i only know this information from what ive heard through prophets. hey they could be wrong who knows.
all i know is something is seriously going on in the world lately and i dont like it.

Where are these "prophets" getting their information from?
The catholic church once pedicted the end of the world would be at the end of the last milenium. There have been numerous predictions for the end of the world. Some dates have yet to arrive, but many have already passed. It seems you haven't "made it" as a prophet untill you have an end-of-world prediction.

[Bolderz]

YouTube - 2012: The Polar Shift Explained

that's where their getting their information ^^^^^^^

[etc.]

I still don't understand how planets lining up can "end the world", there are references to planets lining up and something happening all the time though, even in movies (The Fifth Element).
To be honest I can't see it happening, the world was supposed to end many times before.
People have said that there will be a black hole but they require huge emounts of energy and I don't think planets lining up will give to give that much energy.

[Bolderz]

I don't think will the world will end but somthing will probably happen, because Albert Einstien and the Mayans were never wrong before. But all we can do is wait and see what happens.