my fate

jayray1234 · #1 (**permalink**) 07-03-2008, 12:19 PM

was wondering how fate works ibelieve in God and i think if you do believe iin God you have to believe in fate. god knows everything he set it all in motion.

DeathToSociety · #2 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 12:20 AM

In the bible doesn't it say somewhere that humans have the power to choose between good and evil? If you believe that then you can't really believe in fate. I'm not religious by the way, I'm just trying to look at it from your perspective.

General Grim · #3 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 08:00 AM

Fate isn't necessarily a definite path where a systematic train of events happens in your life, as I understand it fate could be just a particular event in your life you're destined to go through

I believe we make our own fate anyway.

Steve_TPF · #4 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 11:04 AM

Fate means different things to different people. It's not necessarily the same as pre-destination.
Even if god exists, and he knows everything that will happen, you can still be the director of your own fate. It's your choices, not his, that affect your life. He simply knows in advance.

ibmw22 · #5 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 01:10 AM

I agree with steve TPF. Lets make an example: I'm not religious so I can't really believe that there is a god. People like me would understand that. Now take the opposite of me- a religious person. That person would believe that there is a god and deny that there isn't.

Paranoid Ecstasy · #6 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ibmw22

I agree with steve TPF. Lets make an example: I'm not religious so I can't really believe that there is a god. People like me would understand that. Now take the opposite of me- a religious person. That person would believe that there is a god and deny that there isn't.

Yes, but I don't understand the point of mentioning this.
Are you showing different perspectives?

Core Entropy · #7 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 05:01 PM

Wikipedia gives this definition of fate

Fate may refer to:

* Destiny, an inevitable course of events
* Fatalism, a philosophical doctrine

But personally i believe that is incorrect. I with you believe in God and so i also know as DeathtoSociety (nice name

) said the bible says you must choose between good or evil. With this that means if you were to choose Not to believe in him and that Jesus died for your sins then you would walk down the path of a sinner and your fate would be you would not try to follow the commandments and eventually end in hell where as the other would be you would do your best to follow the path of jesus christ. So i believe that all fate is, is the decidement of good or evil and from there that decides your actions in life later on. But remember Fate can ALWAYS change ;D hope i helped.

ibmw22 · #8 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 06:33 PM

I'm just showing perspectives paranoid

LlevirulZ · #9 (**permalink**) 07-12-2008, 04:19 AM

I believe fate is for people who do not believe in life. The point of life is that you can do anything with it. If there was fate why are we able to make decisions. If there was fate every person in a poor household would be sealed to their parents fate. Fate is just a word people use when they're too stupid to make a decision to better their life. They say "Oh, well it was my fate to be pothead when that collage was going to give me a scholarship and i threw the letter away."

ANARCHYisKING · #10 (**permalink**) 07-12-2008, 05:06 AM

God's plan is a religious lie. there is no way that HE knows exactly what will happen tomorrow.

Core Entropy · #11 (**permalink**) 07-12-2008, 06:06 AM

Except that it already happened in the future letting him know in the past that it did in fact happen.

Anyways back to fate i believe it all depends on the type of person we are dealing with. Religious believes their god decides non religious couldnt really give a shit.

V€ng€a©n€ · #12 (**permalink**) 07-12-2008, 07:16 PM

I used to be very intersted in theology, though I'm not religous, but I had a nun once explain to me that God (Catholic) sees fate in the way he sees millions of tv screens with outcomes of the choices you've made in life.

Steve_TPF · #13 (**permalink**) 07-13-2008, 10:21 AM

Really? She knew this how, exactly? Did she happen to mention if he knew which of the tv screens was showing the the actual outcome?

Venochai · #14 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 02:57 PM

Leviruls ---> you just described FATALISM. right after it was pointed out the difference between fatalism and destiny when people refer to "fate"

and i can explain that situation to you easily.

1. if the guy knew the letter was a scholarship (which a "pothead" is unlikely to get anyway, no?) and threw the letter away deliberately, then that was a choice of his. should he then decide that his own actions were down to fate..then that is fatalism

2. Perhaps the letter gets lost in the post, but then a better offer shows up that he would not have had the chance to take had he accepted the original scholarship? that could be considered destiny.

But either way it is down to your own belief.

belief in fate, whether fatalism or destiny.

not belief in god.... why why why do you have to bring "god" into everything? leave it out, these are seperate subjects.

so to answer your question of how you are supposed to believe in fate while being christian. then quite simply, you arent.

good and evil are not the two paths of fate.

remember "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"

it all depends on your perception. though of course some people perceive things in such a stupid fucking way that they should be lined up and shot...

but that...is MY perception.

SUSEJ · #15 (**permalink**) 08-01-2008, 06:19 AM

BY fate you really mean walking in GOD's path which he set for you, that is said in the bible is worth more than anything.

People think jus cuz GOD knows everythin doesnt mean he cant prevent it.

If you see someone walking straight into a brick wall, you know hes gonna hit it, but you can stop him, by ethier saying HEY stop or watch out, or pushing him out of the way, samething GOD can put obstacles things to prevent you from falling into eternal death.

If you believe in GOD, your done, GOD put us in this WORLD to worship him and enjoy, lay back and enjoy it, your death is just the begining, dont worry about anything dont let doubt get on you, just try to make the best of your life.

Dont worry about tomarow, what you will eat,wear,sleep.

For Jesus said for the Fowls(birds) neither sow nor reap(plant nor harvest) yet your Father who is in heaven takes care of them.

When you feel doubt or skerd know that GOD didnt give us the ability of fear, MAN created the emotion fear.(written in the bible).

Jesus said before they hated you, they hated him.

Your never alone, you may forget that, but GOD is with you everywere, every little place. Dying is nothing.

Azrael21 · #16 (**permalink**) 08-26-2008, 07:12 PM

I believe in fate like it is explained in Dune. It just makes sense. That you have many paths to follow but you cant always see where the paths lead. Has anyone read that book?

DemonSpawn · #17 (**permalink**) 08-29-2008, 05:29 PM

Fate is like the easter bunny, it dosn't exist. you're born with your senses and your wits and thats all (some people dont even get those blind, deaf, retarded,etc.). there are no predetermined plans or anything. you get what you and your family (if you are lucky enough to have one) can provide, by using the skills you were born with/developed . you can work your way up from poverty and do something amazing or you can fall from the height of class and civilization and crash and burn. its not fate its what you make of yourself. if you work hard and play your cards right you might do well. if your stupid and fuck it all up its your fault. not fate, not karma, just you. some people get lucky they get born into rich families and have smart people cloakng their stupidity and they end up fine sometimes. but thats just luck not fate. once you've given up on fate and learn to rely on yourself and not some ineffable plan you will be much better off. think about it.

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Originally Posted by jayray1234

was wondering how fate works ibelieve in God and i think if you do believe iin God you have to believe in fate. god knows everything he set it all in motion.

I believe in god, i believe in a supreme being and all that jazz but as you said he put it in motion, he bought the ant farm now he's just watching us dig the tunnels. he's watching but its like a tv show to him he's just watching the action play out. i have no way of proving i'm right but thats my bit on this.

Bahr · #18 (**permalink**) 08-30-2008, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve_TPF

Really? She knew this how, exactly? Did she happen to mention if he knew which of the tv screens was showing the the actual outcome?

Kina off topic, but the preacher at my sisters wedding told me that a few days earlier that god spoke to him through the tv and told him to go to some big christian rock thing. I was a bit of a smart ass and told him that god told me through the tv that KFC had half off on their extra crispy chickin buckets. Im probably going to hell.
As for fate I beileve that your can take several different roads of life but your going to end up in the same place or a certain cituation in life, like theirs something you have to do before you die. Like either doing something big like saving people from a plane crash of giving some one some small bit of advice that will chain react and cause something good to happen. So your fate can be just convincing someone that they should quit drinking or something. Btw Im christian but im not the kind of person to shove my beliefs down peoples throats. I accept atheasits and see their reason I some times think that they may be right, Im just not taking that chance, just in case.

Lone Gunman · #19 (**permalink**) 08-30-2008, 06:09 AM

As Sarah Connor said in Terminator 2 "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

We control our own destiny by the decisions we make.

jrly · #20 (**permalink**) 09-02-2008, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve_TPF

Fate means different things to different people. It's not necessarily the same as pre-destination.
Even if god exists, and he knows everything that will happen, you can still be the director of your own fate. It's your choices, not his, that affect your life. He simply knows in advance.

If God is omnipotent, then you don't really have the freedom to choose between good and evil. It is just an illusion because God knows what you are going to do, so it isn't really a choice

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Originally Posted by Bahr

Btw Im christian but im not the kind of person to shove my beliefs down peoples throats. I accept atheasits and see their reason I some times think that they may be right, Im just not taking that chance, just in case.

I think that if God does exist as in the Biblical sense, then he won't be fooled by you "just in case," it's kinda like repenting on your death bed after being Hitler, not that I am saying you are Hitler.

Trambo.45 · #21 (**permalink**) 09-22-2008, 08:29 PM

Well I'm not super religous or anything but I do beleive in some stuff, I do say a little prayer here and there, but overall you can say im more of an anogstick, the way i see it, we all have are demons and angels, its all a matter of who we let control us, who we let out to play. i do beleive that everyone is here for a reason and is here to serve a purpose. untill we know what that is, all we can do is sit and try to do what makes us happy.
or just try to keep your nose clean.