Satanism

[zanaz]

I'm sure that this will upset some people out there, but Satanism is based on a very sound philosophy. The best way to explain Satanism in one sentence is this, "Life is the great indulgence, death the great abstinence." Anyway, anyone want to discuss Satanism? And please, no spamming that I'm going to a painful and everlasting firery Hell.... Just civilized discussion.

[General Grim]

In all honesty, modern Satanism is a fad. Just another thing that 13 year olds use as a form of rebellion.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Destroy him?

[Deathangel]

Nah 13yr olds are "satanists" and are cool , real satanists take 18+ as full member , they truly belive that satan is the creator of all and shit , like christians think god is maker
They dont have any sacrifacial nowdays but they have orgy rituals O_O . yeeah... freaaky
Discovery...

[Steve_TPF]

Originally Posted by Deathangel

they truly belive that satan is the creator of all and shit , like christians think god is maker

Why do they believe this? Is there a "devil's bible"? (I'm not being facetious, I'm actually asking.) If Satan is the creator, doesn't that make him God? Or did God watch while Satan created... in which case, what is the role of God?

Clarify please.

[Paranoid Ecstasy]

Originally Posted by Steve_TPF

Why do they believe this? Is there a "devil's bible"? (I'm not being facetious, I'm actually asking.) If Satan is the creator, doesn't that make him God? Or did God watch while Satan created... in which case, what is the role of God?

Clarify please.

There is in fact a Satanic Bible.
Satanists do not believe Satan is the creator.
I will explain Satanism once I get back to my computer.

[Venochai]

Kids, please, get factual information before you post anything.

---anything---

that means you Deathangel.

Satanists don't believe Satan is the creator. thats just the ridiculous notion of the post above. i have a copy of the satanic bible in the drawer in front of me.

It wasn't even a religion as would be suggested, it was written as a philosophy for life against the christian way of banning and prohibiting things that a small minority of people dont like.
*waves to Jack Thompson*
*stomps on his face*
so to go match that, the chosen theme naturally had to be in direct conflict.

It became a religion to become controversial and thus majorly increase its popularity. But Anton Szandor LaVey, the book's creator - not Satan, was an egomaniac and liked to invent stories to make himself a bit cooler... attention seeking kinda business.

If you want to know about satanism. just read the book.... but please dont go anywhere near satanism.com or whatever the ridiculous "official" american website for it is. it's so full of shit its sickening.

(on second thoughts go watch the promo video, its uber-lols)

[zanaz]

Originally Posted by Deathangel

Nah 13yr olds are "satanists" and are cool , real satanists take 18+ as full member , they truly belive that satan is the creator of all and shit , like christians think god is maker
They dont have any sacrifacial nowdays but they have orgy rituals O_O . yeeah... freaaky
Discovery...

OK, the 18+ thing is true. You can't join the Church of Satan unless you're over 18 or have parents permission. But, the only thing you have to do to become a Satanist is start living like one. You may not be a fully fledged member, but if you believe in god and haven't been baptised, doesn't that make you a Christian? Anyway, the thought that we think that Satan created everything couldn't be more wrong. We believe that men create their gods, gods don't create men. But man has always felt a need to externalize their god. We thought, why bother? Why not worship man's natural instincts, what are called sins. And we don't believe in sacrificing animals... But the orgies... Sexual freedom. Almost anything you're into. Not rape, or tricking people who can't make an educated descision about their sexual lives. (Children). And since we see sex as an ordinary human activity, not anything "supernatural", we don't have sex rituals... Just read the book. The Satanic Bible, by Anton Szander LaVey.
And by the way, I'm not a fully fledged member... :/ But I'm not an idiot. I can make an educated descision about religion (being raised Christian) and "The Anarchial Ways."

[123Shadow123]

i have been a satanist for about 2 years now. its changed my life for the better.

I use to believe in the xtain Christian god. but everything started going wrong in my life so i looked for satanism for help and received it.

its a shame that people think satanism is bad (thanks to the media). Its about you becoming your own god. Obtaining power though meditation (power meditation)

Damon possessions aren't real ( again media it look like it was) Sucubii is the only "demon possession" method.


They say you HAVE to worship Satan. This is NOT true. Satan wants us to life to out best potential. You only acknowledge that he is your true father and create of everything.

and finally the so called "satanic Bible." is not a bible. its a book based on Satan, demons, archangels, and demons of the plains and what they do and how they do it. Its basically a book full of noted not an actual "satanic Bible."

[General Grim]

Anyway, the thought that we think that Satan created everything couldn't be more wrong. We believe that men create their gods, gods don't create men. But man has always felt a need to externalize their god. We thought, why bother?

Satan wants us to life to out best potential. You only acknowledge that he is your true father and create of everything.

Contradiction?

[Trench Coat Crow]

[quote=123Shadow123;42474]i have been a satanist for about 2 years now. its changed my life for the better.

I use to believe in the xtain Christian god. but everything started going wrong in my life so i looked for satanism for help and received it.

its a shame that people think satanism is bad (thanks to the media). Its about you becoming your own god. Obtaining power though meditation (power meditation)

Damon possessions aren't real ( again media it look like it was) Sucubii is the only "demon possession" method.


They say you HAVE to worship Satan. This is NOT true. Satan wants us to life to out best potential. You only acknowledge that he is your true father and create of everything.

listen first of all you are right about him not wanting to worship you. it says in the bible that he is beautiful to behold as in he is a handsome dude, but he is a like really evil guy. he was sent to hell because he thought that humans should be forced to whorship angels and god. and god said no and he cast him into a place he created just so he could send the devil there. angels are the same thing as humans in a way. they have the power to control their own decisions and such. so a "fallen angel" is an angel that goes bad and does bad things to fall out of the grace of god. they go to hell and turn into what we call "demons". He doesnt want you to worship him yes, but he doesnt want you to worship god either. the satanic book says that you are free to make your own choices which you are and you should live by that and not care what god thinks you should do. so thats leads you down a path of not exactly bad just not with god and then when you die you go to hell or what catholics call "purgatory". and thats what he wants. and yes there is such thing as possession from demons. have you ever seen that stuff with your own eyes. i doubt it. i have. my little sister was possessed for a few weeks and she tried to stab my mom when she was pregnant with my little brother and take out the fetus. she also was ranting constantly about him dying and such. im talking really creative scary ways that he would die and it really scared all of us. we thought she was going crazy but some missionarys came, didnt do anything. next day they bring a priest and he does some christian demon expelling stuff and she was better in a few minutes. she has bee nfine ever since and my mom has had every house weve ever been in blessed. but thats not the only kind of possession. im not in anyway saying that your religion is incorrect. like i said earlier you are free to choose the way you want to live. im not a very religious person but i believe in god and lucifer. im a bad person but doesnt mean i dont believe in them.

[Steve_TPF]

I think our resident "Satanists" need to post some references for their beliefs. Starting with a definition and some core principles. I've heard "satan is creator" and "satan isn't creator".

A solid reference please.

[Paranoid Ecstasy]

"As you can see there are no elements of devil worship in the Church of Satan. Such practices are looked upon as being Christian heresies. Believing in the Christian world-view of God vs. the Devil and choosing to side with the Prince of Darkness is pointless to the Satanist as neither exists. [...] To the Satanist, he is his own God. Satan is a symbol of Man living as his prideful, carnal nature dictates. Some Satanists extend this symbol to encompass the evolutionary "force" of entropy that permeates all of nature and provides the drive for survival and propagation inherent in all living things. To the Satanist, Satan is not a conscious entity to be worshipped, rather it is a name for the reservoir of power inside each human to be tapped at will." - Magus Peter H. Gilmore, High Priest

[Steve_TPF]

Thanks for the clarification. It seems some of our younger satanists haven't done their homework.

Not surprising really.

[Paranoid Ecstasy]

"Satanism can be considered to be:
Atheistic. There are no Gods in Satanism.

Not dualistic: souls and bodies are indivisible and there is no war between cosmic good and cosmic evil.

Autodeists - we worship ourselves. The only God we can ever perceive is in our own existential world. We are each a God.

Materialistic

A "human potential" movement. Striving for longer life and a better education. Science And Technology Are Necessary: We who walk this dark path along with the same interests will pursue the elimination of Human limitation to the maximum

Of the left hand path

Opposition of religions, especially those that hold a belief in an afterlife. Satanism is an un-religion. Satanism adopts the adversaries of major religions as its standard bearers

Also:

Only the self is sacred. Nothing is holy except clarity of thought

Satanists do not pray

Meditation is considered a valid path of self discovery

Stupidity is the cardinal "sin" of Satanism, the sin which is believed to cause all other Human evil"

For more information you can go to dpjs.co.uk/index.html or Churchofsatan.com

[Steve_TPF]

Originally Posted by Paranoid Ecstasy

Stupidity is the cardinal "sin" of Satanism, the sin which is believed to cause all other Human evil"

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement.
What you have listed here bears an odd resemblance to my own philosophy of life: that there is no god, bodies and "souls" (I prefer minds, or consciousness,) are inseparable, and that with no afterlife the goal is to improve upon the human condition in this life. I wouldn't call myself a satanist though, nor do I see why it is necessary to call these beliefs "satanism".
"Humanist" would seem like a better term.

[Paranoid Ecstasy]

"Humanism is not a religion. It is simply a way of life with no ceremony or dogma. Satanism has both ceremony and dogma." - Satanic Bible

dpjs.co.uk/humanism.html

[Steve_TPF]

But why? What is the need for ceremony and dogma?

[Paranoid Ecstasy]

Some people like to have rituals and cermonies just for tradition.
I think the biggest reason was to make it a religion.
I think they wanted to have an organized community.
I myself am not satanic, but I'm pretty close.

[D00M]

Uhh don't you have to pay like $200.00 US to become a "full member" of the Satanic Church?

[Steve_TPF]

Originally Posted by Paranoid Ecstasy

Some people like to have rituals and cermonies just for tradition.
I think the biggest reason was to make it a religion.
I think they wanted to have an organized community.

I understand what you are saying, and thank you for the clarification you have provided. I just don't see the point myself. Nor do I see why "Satan" has to be mentioned at all. You could call it "The Church of Man" if you really wanted a religion.