Racism

[Bahr]

[quote=Black_Devil;43595]You can't be racist against a veiwpoint as it is not a race, you can be biest against racist(which is not a bad thing)
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I was making a joke when I typed that.

[CyberWar]

Well, I think being a racist is not bad. Being a violent racist is.

God and Mother Nature did not create us different without a specific purpose, and I think we have no right to act against that purpose whatever it is. Obviously, attacking somebody just because he is of different colour is wrong and just plain retarded. However, giving preference to one's own kind is not - in nature, the subspecies of the same animal also prefer to socialize and mate with their own kind.

There are plenty of non-violent means available to advance one's own race without interfering with the advancement of other races.

[Black_Devil]

Originally Posted by CyberWar

Well, I think being a racist is not bad. Being a violent racist is.

God and Mother Nature did not create us different without a specific purpose, and I think we have no right to act against that purpose whatever it is. Obviously, attacking somebody just because he is of different colour is wrong and just plain retarded. However, giving preference to one's own kind is not - in nature, the subspecies of the same animal also prefer to socialize and mate with their own kind.

There are plenty of non-violent means available to advance one's own race without interfering with the advancement of other races.

First of all, yes, everyone is intitled to belive and feel as they choose, but being racist is completly unlogical. I'm tired of all the Mother Nature advocates coming talking about how unnatural we are in america:

"OH, people don't agree with anarchy because they are out of touch with nature"

"We are diffrent shades of skin because mother nature made it that way so its OK to be Racist"

"Oh, Homosexuallity is unnatural, so we can hate gays and lesbians"

If you have to obey mother nature get the HELL OF THE INTERNET.

Second, there is no real soilid evidence of a god, and you cannot compare us to lions and panthers.

We are all human beings, we have no "sub" speices. Being racist AT ALL is retarted.

But of course, you are free to belive as you choose.

[headcase]

Originally Posted by CyberWar

God and Mother Nature did not create us different without a specific purpose, and I think we have no right to act against that purpose whatever it is.

Mother nature has a purpose? No. Differences are a result of the unconscious natural processes of evolution. You would have a more solid footing saying racism had a natural foundation in evolutionary psychology, but that's not what you're saying.

[Black_Devil]

And what about your "evolutionary psychology" if you are of a mixed race? There are less people of a pure single race everyday. As for "favoring" people of your on race I would like to ask cyberwar what he applys that to, is it a sexual thing? If so you don't have to banish all people of another race because you sexually favor people of your own. Or do you simply perfer the compony of people of your own race because you take on steriotypes of people of another race?

Racism is ignorent and dumbfounded, thats all there is to say.

[CyberWar]

Not only sexual preference, but general preference for socialization. Even those who call themselves anti-racist instinctively follow this principle.

Take a look at yourself, for example - I take that you are a white male and non-racist, but for some reason, most of your friends are white, yes?
Of course, if I am mistaken, let me know. Similarly, black or Asiatic people also seem to socialize primarily with their own kind. Of course, I cannot judge 100% objectively since there are very few people of colour residing in my country, but such observations I have repeatedly made while journeying abroad.

I, for example, feel no need or desire to socialize with people of different race, but that certainly does not mean I am not capable of doing so when necessary or when approached by that "other" individual. Keeping things polite and civilized while also keeping a degree of distance is the key to racialism (do not confuse with racism), if that would be the appropriate word to use.

[Terror.]

Ok. This is a subject I know about.

First. There are MANY subgroups within "Racists/White Power/White Nationalists/National socialists/Everything else". There are the redneck or angery type, you know. The "paint a swastika everywhere and hate eveyone who isnt white". They are the worst and normaly the only ones the media shows you. So thats why you have to idea of everyone being some stupid hateful person.

Then, their are the KKK and religious type, racism and religion don't go together at all and just make a group fully of paranoid nutjobs.

So. There are the hateful backwards ones and the religious cooks.

They represent the bad side. Most the hateful ones are made up of fed up teens who just wanna "smash some niggers" and be the guy from American History X.

But. There are some very smart groups. Case in point, National Anarchists.
They are smart and they are not a group that gets its name from hating all non-whites, this is a group that just is pro-white without having to be hateful towards others. They dont like multiculturalism because they dont want the world to be just all one colour and no one will have pride for anything because everyone will be the same.

Face it, nowdays it is VERY easy for a white guy to be a racists, every action can be lable with one word. Everyone here would know that. (I'd think). If you dont agree with something they do, well you're a racist, not that you just think they are wrong and you have a valid point. Its just you being a racists.

So. There are many stupid groups bringing a terrible name for other pro withe groups. But there are some who realise the right path they have to take.

Here is the link to the New Right site. Check it out.
New Right Australia / New Zealand

[General Grim]

"Pro-White" is stupid, you're not the minority, you're the majority. What can you possibly advance for the causation race that should be isolated from the minorities?

Just as equally, "Pro-Black" is stupid, you have nothing that should be kept within a circle except a darker skin pigment, such futile things that people hold to heart just affects the advancement of every race.

[CyberWar]

That is exactly the point, Grim - if there are so many "minority" advancement groups that have a legal support, why any "majority" groups are automatically labeled as "racist" or "xenophobic"?

As you said yourself, "pro-black" or "pro-whatever" is stupid and unnecessary, but why then it is not applied equally to all? Why are the white groups to suffer from libel, when their coloured counterparts are essentially the same?

[Terror.]

They want to be treated the same but wont let go of the past and still want the "Underdog/supressed" advantage.

A example is here in Aus, aboriginals want to be treat like everyone else BUT they get payed more money on the dole then others, anywhere you go to fill out a form (police station, a place that helps people find jobs or anywhere) they have a box to tick for if you are aboriginal or torrest islander because if you are, you get special treatment.

If everyone was treated the same there would be nothing to bitch about, but people always play the race card.

everyone being the same would mean getting rid of black history month, which would then be considered racist.

Pro-black and pro-white are seen as two different things.

Pro-black is cosidered being proud of skin colour and where you came from, fighting through the hardships of white america.

Pro-white is......... RACISTS!

If they all want to be the same. They have to stop all the crap they do. Its up to them, they need to "be the change they want".

[General Grim]

As you said yourself, "pro-black" or "pro-whatever" is stupid and unnecessary, but why then it is not applied equally to all? Why are the white groups to suffer from libel, when their coloured counterparts are essentially the same?

Because it's easier to call a white person racist than a black person:

"Government shuts down KKK group who conspired against ethnic minorities, the group when founded use to go around in lynch mobs targeting minority groups and hanging them in public."

Vs.

"Government bullies 'Society of Ethnic Advancement' group, the group used to help African-Americans move away from crime and poverty has now been racially targeted by government officials."

Which one does the Government want to hear in the media?

Not only that but pro-white groups are normally associated with the lynch mobs of the old KKK and the ethnic cleansing of the Nazis whereas pro-black groups seem to be fixing problems, it's more about acceptance than anything. I still hold a firm belief that regardless of the claimed benefits, neither has a need in society; despite any pro-ethnic group it's always down the concious-effort and will power of the individual to make himself a better person, not the person preaching to them.

[Black_Devil]

Originally Posted by CyberWar

Not only sexual preference, but general preference for socialization. Even those who call themselves anti-racist instinctively follow this principle.

Take a look at yourself, for example - I take that you are a white male and non-racist, but for some reason, most of your friends are white, yes?
Of course, if I am mistaken, let me know. Similarly, black or Asiatic people also seem to socialize primarily with their own kind. Of course, I cannot judge 100% objectively since there are very few people of colour residing in my country, but such observations I have repeatedly made while journeying abroad.

I, for example, feel no need or desire to socialize with people of different race, but that certainly does not mean I am not capable of doing so when necessary or when approached by that "other" individual. Keeping things polite and civilized while also keeping a degree of distance is the key to racialism (do not confuse with racism), if that would be the appropriate word to use.

I am bi-racial(african/german american), The point is it shoulden't matter the race we need to learn to ignore it. I have freinds of all kinds: White, Black, Brown, and yellow.

Why not "Pro-People"?

[123Shadow123]

Racism = Stupid
Racists = Complete Idiots

We are all humans.

[kikthecan]

I'm not a racist but ..

I hate mexicans how i hate snakes.

I am no snake person so i honestly can't tell you what snake is venomess (sp?) or not, so i just stay away from snakes.

why do I have to treat people differently? we are all animals.

I don't straight out stay away from mexicans but through my experience mexicans are bottom on my list, where i'm from there are lots of illegals and lots of them are assholes, it's not my job to learn which are which so i just say i don't like mexicans.

That's how racism starts, people don't REALLY know the other side. So when i see a racist i don't hate him, i just ignore his ignorant ass and hope someday he grows up.

[Black_Devil]

Originally Posted by kikthecan

I'm not a racist but ..

I hate mexicans how i hate snakes.

I am no snake person so i honestly can't tell you what snake is venomess (sp?) or not, so i just stay away from snakes.

why do I have to treat people differently? we are all animals.

I don't straight out stay away from mexicans but through my experience mexicans are bottom on my list, where i'm from there are lots of illegals and lots of them are assholes, it's not my job to learn which are which so i just say i don't like mexicans.

That's how racism starts, people don't REALLY know the other side. So when i see a racist i don't hate him, i just ignore his ignorant ass and hope someday he grows up.

This post is completly contradicts itself, I don't think I have to spell it out. I'm sick of people comparing us as a human race to other animal speices because they continue to forget what sperates us from the rest: Intellegent thinking! To generlize mexicans is to indicate racism as not all people of a skin shade are the same.

"Racism = Stupid
Racists = Complete Idiots"

I agree

[kikthecan]

Originally Posted by Black_Devil

This post is completly contradicts itself, I don't think I have to spell it out. I'm sick of people comparing us as a human race to other animal speices because they continue to forget what sperates us from the rest: Intellegent thinking! To generlize mexicans is to indicate racism as not all people of a skin shade are the same.

"Racism = Stupid
Racists = Complete Idiots"

I agree

Can you accept the fact that some people really are complete idiots? They aren't because they chose to be they are idiots because they never got the chance not to be. some people are born/raised different, people just think different. some racists would probably think you are an idiot and in their mind, are 100% sure you are. Don't think you are any better then them because majority of people are on your side, it's a legit two sided argument.

[Core Entropy]

Originally Posted by Lone Gunman

Everyone is racist

Whether you're black, white, red or yellow you look at other people from different races differently then members of your own race.

There are psychological and physical differences we all are aware but frown upon when talked about.

I don't hate people from other races nor claim superiority I just realize that each race is different then the next.

Im with Bahr. Im not racist. Actually i love anyone of any race as long as they dont get onto my bad side. Certain things in your life may imapct the way you believe things but that still does not give you the right to believe that anyone is better than anyone else.

Kikthecan what you are declaring equals racism. Because of a few expiriences and your opinions on it you have pretty much just declared mexicans are bad illegal people, in which its only a select few, most of the population of mexico are good hearted people (i have been there at least 7 times for three months each time) and most are poor so dont blame them for wanting a better life.

Sorry Black_Devil but i must dis-agree with the Intelligient thinking. Any animal with a large enough mind can be taught how to do something, and how to do it Intelligiently. What seperates humans is our ability to use communication to build our way and keep ourselves in cilized manners. Here is an Example.

Four guys go camping and hear something growling in the woods. They build a fire, two go looking for wood, two stay back at the site to protect all of their belongings. They make the fire and it is night. One stays awake at a time to watch over them all as they sleep to make sure they can be awoken if anything heppens to attack. They do this in turns.
This is what seperates us from animals.

[CyberWar]

When it comes to a person being an asshole and a bitch, race indeed does not matter. I understand that a race or ethnicity cannot be judged as a whole, but so do I understand those that hold antipathy against a race or ethnicity because of actions that some of that identity have commited. (for example - "all Americans are fat and stupid" is a generalized and biased statement, while "many Americans are fat and stupid" is not)

In my country, there is a large minority of Russian-speakers (not all of them are ethnically Russian). I dare to say that about half of them have integrated into our society since the collapse of USSR, are proficient with our language and live just like everybody else. They are respectable citizens that happen to belong to an ethnic minority, but in every other aspect, work, pay taxes and obey the laws just like everyone else.

The other half, however, can be best described a brood of worthless parasites and sorry excuses of human beings - imagine the ugliest stereotypes of "niggers" incarnate in a white creature (I will not honour them by describing as human) and you got the basic picture - a subhuman degenerate with only basic (if any) education, violent and antisocial mindset and usually with some form of criminal background, a vocabulary of about 400 words (most of which are borrowed from prison slang), interests limited to drinking, brawling and whoring, visceral hatred against anyone different from them and especially against honest work, most usually with at least one form of substance addiction. And, of course, a chutzpah inversely proportional to their worthlesness.

Of course, with an intelligence sligthly above an ape (the only excuse for such ape-discriminating statement being their use of clothes and the ability to talk), these sorry creatures would be incapable of being anything beyond a nuisance. However, certain political forces find them an appealing target for propaganda to advance their goals - whilst being useless to society and a disgrace to humanity, for some deeply sad error the ape-men still have retained human rights, the right to vote. Gaining their voices to undermine the state is a most appealing tactic for some pro-Russian politicians. The easiest way is to tell them they are being discriminated and teach them to yell a few simple slogans in unison - that is usually enough to attract media attention and show the world how terribly the ethnic Russians are mistreated by Republic of Latvia.

Russia certainly seems to be interested in using ape-men as a weapon against our state, using them as an excuse for hate and libel against us.
As if it was not enough, government policies appear to deliberately prevent people from defending themselves against violent attacks often perpetrated by the animals that I speak of (alone, most of them are not much of a threat, but the bigger their pack, the braver and more aggressive they grow). Killing such a creature in self-defense is unfortunately more likely to land you in prison than it going to prison for killing or grievously injuring you. They are backed by Russia and indirectly admitted human by the puny and impotent EU authorities, so the government and the citizens cannot take any legal and effective measure against them.

If such act wouldn't land me in prison alongside their kind, I would gladly hunt and kill them like animals they are (if terming them animal would not grossly insult our beautiful and diverse fauna) and have less remorse about it than for swatting a mosquito.

Now, if you had the patience to read through all this lamentous rant, here is the bottom line - stereotypes and derivative dislike or hatred are subjective and unfair, but at the same time they are NEVER born without a reason. Every herd has its black sheep, and it is the black sheep that negative stereotypes are born from. Therefore, a healthy suspicion towards the different is understandable and acceptable, but generalization of negative stereotypes is not.

Forgot to mention:

A few years ago, there were a few illegals from Somalia caught in my place. After lengthy public debate, they were allowed to stay and live in Latvia.

Despite me being sworn anti-imigrationist, all due respect - these Somalian dudes learned to speak fluent Latvian in less than a year, while some of the subhuman pieces of organic waste that I described in previous post have been incapable of learning to babble out more than a few basic words in almost 20 years since we gained independence.

Perhaps this will best illustrate why I feel such hostility to anyone that behaves like the stereotypical "nigger".