Logic

[AfroBandit]

1. Logic is an observation.

2. Observation is relative and never absolute.

Gimme a counter argument please!

[shetlan]

Logic in respect to ocurrences:
Logic is the chain of events requiring the fewest links.

In respect to outlook:
Logic is the thought process basing itself only on the facts of the situation, devoid of ideology and personal bias.


Logic isn't "an observation" it's a mode of thought, a process, and a worldview by nature.
As for observation being "relative and never absolute" - that's a crock cooked up by liberal academics for the sake of ignoring logic.

Example:
A study on diversity by Harvard's political science department concluded that people in more diverse areas where less likely to participate in their communnity, less likely to vote, and less likely to trust their local leaders. More on that here\/
The downside of diversity - The Boston Globe

If you've had your first year of sociology, the results of the study should have been obvious to you already. Diverse areas would promote distrust under the in-group and out-groups principles. By this study, one can reasonably assume that the existing policy of forcing diversity on the world is a bad idea.

It's not working, it can't work, we should stop doing it - LOGIC

Declaring logic - a meaningless perspective based observation - simply allows you to write off the logic you don't like (much like professor Putnam did in the cited study).

Just as "moral reletivism" was created entirely so one can excuse his own unethical actions, the assertion that logic is flexible is just a way to excuse one's illogical actions.

[Ainriail]

Logic, or empirical knowledge, is a rational thought process stemming from an observation and following the rules laid out by the square of opposition. The initial observation may be faulty, therefore the logical conclusion may be affected.

I took a course in Logic, if you want more I can help.

[CanadianPyro]

Originally Posted by AfroBandit

1. Logic is an observation.

2. Observation is relative and never absolute.

Gimme a counter argument please!

1. Logic is not an observation. It is a process of reasoning based on observations that are known to be true.

2. Observation is absolute when all factors are considered, and the observation is applied to the known reality. For example, the Earth's gravity is an observation we as humans have made and apply to the process of logic. This is absolute within our reality - we can measure it, and demonstrate without exception that all masses exert an attractive force on each other. Thus, it is an absolute observation.

[AESCHYLUS]

"When speaking of logic, it's better to speak of validity. Logic is the method of valid reasoning.

If you have incorrect premises you'll arrive at incorrect results, but the conclusion you arrive at could still be valid, making your logic impeccable."
-victor