best way to knock someone out

[nutter]

A quick and powerful punch to the liver will put anyone down.
no matter how big, providing u put the power in to the punch.

ive never had this done to me, but apparently it hurts like fuck

worth a shot ^^

[STS-103]

Originally Posted by shetlan

Wow, I don't know whether to call this ignorance or stupidity.



Training that can cause death from concussive force, falls, or improper landing takes place on padded mats to prevent such things.

Thank you, you've now cemented in the fact that you're absolutely full of shit.



Well, your assumption that breaking the fall is useless proves only that you've never tried it - by which I mean the move itself not attempting to break your fall.

You seem to be under the impression that your opponent isn't going to fight back or struggle at all - which is yet another reason why this technique is completely useless.



So, let me see if I understand thus far.
You claim that the Belgian Takedown was "too deadly" and was subsequently removed from military training.
None the less, you recommend it anyway.

That in mind, you claim that a strike to the base of the skull and throat is "too deadly" and hence can't be recommended.

In any case, the stike to the base of the skull and throat doesn't necessarally kill. A lighter touch is used for a knockout and a heavier strike for a kill.



Nice to see you have an imaginary friend to keep you company. I assume it's the same imaginary friend that told you to make shaped charges out of coffee cans.

Honestly, there is no need for you to call me names like a child would.

Imagine this: You break the fall, but now you are on your stomach, with your legs in the air. you are then in a tactically inferior position.

Now, I would bet you could give a light touch for a knockout, but without the proper training, most cannot.

Well, if you were wondering, my imaginary friend is doing quite well, and sends his regards to you.

[STS-103]

Originally Posted by shetlan

Wow, I don't know whether to call this ignorance or stupidity.



Training that can cause death from concussive force, falls, or improper landing takes place on padded mats to prevent such things.

Thank you, you've now cemented in the fact that you're absolutely full of shit.



Well, your assumption that breaking the fall is useless proves only that you've never tried it - by which I mean the move itself not attempting to break your fall.

You seem to be under the impression that your opponent isn't going to fight back or struggle at all - which is yet another reason why this technique is completely useless.



So, let me see if I understand thus far.
You claim that the Belgian Takedown was "too deadly" and was subsequently removed from military training.
None the less, you recommend it anyway.

That in mind, you claim that a strike to the base of the skull and throat is "too deadly" and hence can't be recommended.

In any case, the stike to the base of the skull and throat doesn't necessarally kill. A lighter touch is used for a knockout and a heavier strike for a kill.



Nice to see you have an imaginary friend to keep you company. I assume it's the same imaginary friend that told you to make shaped charges out of coffee cans.

Honestly, there is no need for you to call me names like a child would.

Imagine this: You break the fall, but now you are on your stomach, with your legs in the air. you are then in a tactically inferior position.

Now, I would bet you could give a light touch for a knockout, but without the proper training, most cannot.

Well, if you were wondering, my imaginary friend is doing quite well, and sends his regards to you.

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by STS-103

Honestly, there is no need for you to call me names like a child would.

There's no need for you to make suggestions when you've made it clear that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by STS-103

Imagine this: You break the fall, but now you are on your stomach, with your legs in the air. you are then in a tactically inferior position.

So you twist your body to the left or right (breaking the attcker's grip).

Thank you, you've again proven that you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by STS-103

Now, I would bet you could give a light touch for a knockout, but without the proper training, most cannot.

Nor could one properly use any other technique without proper training.

[bloodlusta]

Originally Posted by STS-103

Imagine this: You break the fall, but now you are on your stomach, with your legs in the air. you are then in a tactically inferior position.

Fuck! Thanks a lot STS, now I have to agree with shet (and I really hate doing that).

Wrong on your stomach, with you legs towards your opponent is not a bad position. You stomach is not exsposed and the only way for your opponent to strike you (effectivly) is to realse your legs, meaning they can't pass the gaurd and gain the mount. With your feet towards them you can do a simple lash kick to their knee, shattering it.

Knocking someone out will often require several hits. This is why the Belgian Takedown is no longer in use. A knock out strike needs to be one that allows you to repeat it over and over again. And there is no perfect way to knock someone out, let alone a chin jab (@STS).

Also nutter a liver shot will dissable and kill an oppoent but it will not knock them out. the liver shot is popular in MMA and is estremely painful and will give you a techincal knock out but that doesn't mean jack in a real fight.

[Dr.Horrible]

1. A pressure attack of the area under the armpit and close to the chest, if done correctly causes the body to go into a shocked state and release large amounts of potassium throughout the muscles bringing the person in to crippling pain as the acidic property hits the muscles

2. A quick knock to the base of the skull where it meets the spine, this does not have to be done with the edge of your hand but it works much easier if it is.

3. If able to get into a choke hold do not press against the windpipe as your target, instead focus on covering and putting pressure to both artery on the neck which stops blood flow to the brain

4. A sharp jab to the temple with a "tiger" position of the hand will cause temp. blindness and confusion if done correctly.

5. A hard hit with the side of the hand to the lower center of the rib cage can cause a shock wave effect that if done correctly can send the heart in to an offbeat which will cause cardiac arrest.

6. The well known hay maker, rattle the brain and the body goes into shock as everything tries to right itself.

7. A upward jab with the palm of your hand to the opponents jaw causes the skull to push backward, injuring itself upon its own spine and can cause a blackout

8. with the "eagle" hand position strike the side of each collar where the gap is created and pull upward. If done correctly you will not knock them out but you will tear the muscle used to control arm movement thus making a fight for them useless.

9. With your hands still in the "eagle" position punch past the persons face with both hands then pull back and lock the two ridged fingers behind the jaw, pull toward yourself and a bit away in ether direction. This almost always causes the jaw to unhinge and almost always will be then end to a fight.

AND

10. If you have done move 9 and the fight continues, reach foward and stick your hand into there mouth (they cant bite you anyway so dont worry bout that) and proceed to yank downward quickly, if you have the strength for it the jaw is only connected by a few thin layers of muscle and can be ripped off after being unhinged, you might need to use your foot on them for leverage.

[bloodlusta]

Originally Posted by Dr.Horrible

1. A pressure attack of the area under the armpit and close to the chest, if done correctly causes the body to go into a shocked state and release large amounts of potassium throughout the muscles bringing the person in to crippling pain as the acidic property hits the muscles

I have heard this a lot, do you do TKD by any chance do you? This is not a good idea as in a fight you are both moving and hitting the point exactly right is near impossible.

Originally Posted by Dr.Horrible

4. A sharp jab to the temple with a "tiger" position of the hand will cause temp. blindness and confusion if done correctly.

Hiting in the temple anyway will do the job, a reverse punch is the most powerful way to do it.

Originally Posted by Dr.Horrible

5. A hard hit with the side of the hand to the lower center of the rib cage can cause a shock wave effect that if done correctly can send the heart in to an offbeat which will cause cardiac arrest.

Striking the lower ribcage means lowering your gaurd, this opens you up to attack.

Originally Posted by Dr.Horrible

8. with the "eagle" hand position strike the side of each collar where the gap is created and pull upward. If done correctly you will not knock them out but you will tear the muscle used to control arm movement thus making a fight for them useless.

9. With your hands still in the "eagle" position punch past the persons face with both hands then pull back and lock the two ridged fingers behind the jaw, pull toward yourself and a bit away in ether direction. This almost always causes the jaw to unhinge and almost always will be then end to a fight.

AND

10. If you have done move 9 and the fight continues, reach foward and stick your hand into there mouth (they cant bite you anyway so dont worry bout that) and proceed to yank downward quickly, if you have the strength for it the jaw is only connected by a few thin layers of muscle and can be ripped off after being unhinged, you might need to use your foot on them for leverage.

Again very hard to hit. and get your hand in the right place.

What is your MA background... kung fu?

[Dr.Horrible]

I have gone into a few different things but never really been able to study fully because of my current location, Sai, Ninjutsu, Muy Thai, a few things like that..I will be moving in a few months though so I can start up my training again ^.^.


Indeed..a lot of those moves are hard to pull off in a flurry of blows from an opponent, but I was simply adding the things I knew of that would knock a person out quickly. :P

[STS-103]

Shetlan, I have a present for you: FM 3-25.150 Chapter 5

Check the last section

[bloodlusta]

If I may qoute the text "This technique slams the sentry to the ground on his face. Then, the soldier may follow with a kick to the groin (Figure 5-39, Step 3) or by achieving the rear mount."

The blow itself does not knock the oppontent out as you suggested, this is a take down, not a knock out. If you are using this as an example of a knock out then you could call any throw or mount a knock out.

[JoeB]

Just wanted to make sure we clarified.. when you knock someone out due to jaw impact, it is because the jaw often slides into a pocket that pinches the nerve communication to your head/brain, not necessarily overload. Just sayin.. some people understand it differently.

[bloodlusta]

The jaw does not slide, its a hinge joint, and as far as I know hinges arn't well known for sliding. The knock out comes TSO, as the brain floating in fluid is bounched around the skull.

What you are talking about is the Mandibular nerve, that sits behind the jaw, it is part of the trigeminal nerve that goes right about your head and neck. This is the argument put forward by many judo and Kung Fu masters. However this can be discredited by looking at the structure of the nerve. Its also runs past the back exstension of the jaw, and is what hurts when you open your mouth to wide. This means that opening your mouth has the same affect and been puching in the jaw (according to you). also the main purpose of this nerve is to carry messges to the mucles around the eye and cheek. Thats why when you see people with badly damaged jaws they tend to have a bit of "droop" on one side and one eye tends to be slower.

[_JT_]

Originally Posted by scorpz911

Rear Naked Choke, should only take about 6 seconds when you do it properly.

Right on. I've had one cranked on pretty tight and because I was being stubborn and not tapping out like I should have, I apparently ended up going out like a light close to 10 seconds. The next thing I know, I've dribbled on the mat like a retard!

You could always try the balls-out approach, just march straight over there and say "pardon me, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"

[bloodlusta]

Originally Posted by _JT_

"pardon me, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"

Best pickup line ever

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

Best pickup line ever

Excuse me miss, does this martini taste like ecstacy?
We really are aweful people.

[Misanthropy]

MDMA tastes like crap though. Totally spoil a good martini.. GHB though is another story & maybe ketamine too... You could use NaGHB to salt the rim of a margarita......

"Barkeep! Rohypnol on the rocks plz!"