Hitman: A guide to becoming a contract killer.

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by JOECRAZYKID

actually i have lit a cig with a flame thrower before unfortanatly i also lit my hand on fire

My point exactly.

Originally Posted by JOECRAZYKID

i just happen to like burning stuff and since theremite burns at like 2,000 degrees it should disintigrate or melt the most noticable parts of a body or disfigure them

It should - in theory - and yet it doesn't work that way in practice. It burns hot and fast - meaning it will burn alot, but it won't burn completely. It'll also spread the fire outward, attracting plenty of unwanted attention.

Originally Posted by JOECRAZYKID

theres also many places just to bury a body out here people wouldnt find out for a very long time

Hmm, is it a wooded area - where you'd probably start a forest fire using thermite?
Or is it an open area - where the flames would be seen for miles?

Police: Mr. Smith disappeared last night, have you noticed anything unusual in the area?
Random Witness: Somebody was burning something down in the (insert area) last night.
Oh look, this ground has been turned recently - TADA, charded flesh and bone in a hole!

[Draven]

Look when it comes to killing here is the thing;
1. Anyone can kill its very easy & yes I have killed people. I was in the infantry and have 13 confirmed kills at close range...
2. Most normal people can't do so and live with it & those who can live with it (myself included) are always anti-social or have antisocial tendancies...
3. If your a professional killer; you will need have a means to wrap up the case very easiy. The government method; as per the book CIA Assassination Manual, is to blame someone else. Let the murder weapon show up at their home and all that other crap...
4. Amatures use guns and bombs; its called being a cowboy. Cowboys are loud and stupid. Professionals use a variety of methods including those methods left out of the Hitman book; poisons, drug over doses, animal attacks, bombs and booby traps.
5. Getting rid of the body is hard and carrying a dead one is stupid; transport them while they are alive; it gives them hope...
6. Never shit were you eat; i.e. do anything illegal near or where you live...

All this is where Hitman was a failure; first it explained only one method of operation. Something easily tracked if repeatedly used. Two Hitman never explained the psychological aspects of murder or how to mentally prepare yourself. The killer paniced and called his employeer from the city where the murder happened. It can not information on how to direct the crime to another. It focused on using a gun (a specific gun) which left no variety for use. It said nothing of acting outside of local environments and dealing with people around you to cover up your activities...

Some of the info was good but it was hardly worth the study as serious look into the act. Read the CIA Study on Assassination: http://www.whale.to/b/ciaassassin.pdf & the book Contract Killer for a far better example...

[CanadianPyro]

Originally Posted by kamz!

Dig a grave (preferebly in the woods rather than a back yard), mutilate your victim for easier handaling, throw body weapons and clothes in, fill with thermite with weight of around 1 third of victims body weight (E.g. 90kg victim= 30kg thermite) Light dat shit up and all done, no body means NO murder! Brilliant idea or silly? YOU decide.

If you do this and get caught don't blame me coz i don't want to be an accesory to murder.

The thing people don't realize about burning a body is the tremendous amount of energy required to do it.

I'll use your 90kg body example. The human body is comprised of approximately 60% water by mass, meaning you would need to vaporize 54kg of water before the tissue can burn. The enthalpy of vaporization of water is approximately 2200kJ/kg. This means that you need approximately 119,000kJ of energy to vaporize the water in the body.

An Iron (III) Oxide + Aluminum thermite reaction has a change in enthalpy of about -3900kJ/kg, meaning the reaction releases ~3900kJ of energy per kilogram of thermite.

This means that in a perfect world with 100% thermal insulation, you would need approximately 30kg of thermite just to remove the water from the body. In the real world, you would probably need at least triple that amount to account for heat transfer to the surrounding environment.

Then you still have the body's tissue and bones to deal with. Once the water is removed from the tissue, it will burn, but the bones will be more resistant to destruction. The heat will cause them to weaken and crumble, but no matter how much thermite you use, you'll likely still be left with large pieces that will need to be crushed into dust.

In the end, though thermite might initially appear to be a viable source of incineration energy, it is ineffective. You would need several hundred kilograms to convert a body entirely to gas. A wood fire is a much less expensive and more easily controlled energy source.

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by Draven

1. Anyone can kill its very easy & yes I have killed people. I was in the infantry and have 13 confirmed kills at close range...

Certainely, killing is easy - getting away with it is hard.

Originally Posted by Draven

2. Most normal people can't do so and live with it & those who can live with it (myself included) are always anti-social or have antisocial tendancies...

That's hardly true. Thousands of people have killed enemy combatants in wartime, and few feel any remorse over the acts - myself included. Are all of these people anti-social? Not at all. I've killed in self-defense as well as doing so as a private security worker. Do these acts bother me? Not in the least.

That said, I'm not anti-social at all. I go to church, I'm in a bowling league, I make balloon animals for children just for fun, I can't think of a social event within 30miles that I don't get an invitation to.

Originally Posted by Draven

3. If your a professional killer; you will need have a means to wrap up the case very easiy. The government method; as per the book CIA Assassination Manual, is to blame someone else. Let the murder weapon show up at their home and all that other crap...

That really is unnecessary. With all the cases that go unsovled, there's really no reason to bother blaming someone else.

Originally Posted by Draven

4. Amatures use guns and bombs; its called being a cowboy. Cowboys are loud and stupid. Professionals use a variety of methods including those methods left out of the Hitman book; poisons, drug over doses, animal attacks, bombs and booby traps.

Poisons where mentioned in the hitman handbook.
So where overdoses.

Funny how you degraded the use of bombs - then re-suggested them.

Originally Posted by Draven

5. Getting rid of the body is hard and carrying a dead one is stupid; transport them while they are alive; it gives them hope...

Eh, when it's convenient.
In many cases, it's far more convenient to drop someone where they stand and leve them there.

Originally Posted by Draven

6. Never shit were you eat; i.e. do anything illegal near or where you live...

Certainely a good rule of thumb.

Originally Posted by Draven

All this is where Hitman was a failure; first it explained only one method of operation. Something easily tracked if repeatedly used. Two Hitman never explained the psychological aspects of murder or how to mentally prepare yourself. The killer paniced and called his employeer from the city where the murder happened. It can not information on how to direct the crime to another. It focused on using a gun (a specific gun) which left no variety for use. It said nothing of acting outside of local environments and dealing with people around you to cover up your activities...

This is where practically every work on the subject has failed.
The fact is, the subject of professional killing is so vast and unpredictable that there is no way to write an actual, realistic manual on it.

Professional killing is like juggling - either you can do it or you'll never be able to.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by shetlan

That's hardly true. Thousands of people have killed enemy combatants in wartime, and few feel any remorse over the acts - myself included. Are all of these people anti-social? Not at all. I've killed in self-defense as well as doing so as a private security worker. Do these acts bother me? Not in the least.

That said, I'm not anti-social at all. I go to church, I'm in a bowling league, I make balloon animals for children just for fun, I can't think of a social event within 30miles that I don't get an invitation to.

Thats a bit different then being a hitman and killing people in cold blood... Also you exibit plenty of anti-social tendancies in your statements and how you address them (words you use and such). Anti-social refers to maladaptive social behavior not avoiding social contact. Bullys for example are very social but they are considered anti-social for their behaviors which is not complacent with "civilized social behavior."

Originally Posted by shetlan

Poisons where mentioned in the hitman handbook.
So where overdoses.

Funny how you degraded the use of bombs - then re-suggested them.

Thats because the Hitman book never a) mentioned how to extract the poisons, b) basic poisons sources was lacking, c) the explosives formula was well retarded & pure stupidity.

To make a fertilizer bomb, purchase a fifty pound bag of fertilizer from your garden center. Get the kind with the highest nitrate content you can find. Next, buy one pound of black powder from a gun shop that sells reload supplies. Then, get 10-20 feet of waterproof fuse from a hobby shop that sells model rockets.

Place the gunpowder inside a jar which comes with a screw-on lid. Drill a hole in the lid and slip one end of the fuse through tying a knot in the fuse to keep it from slipping out of the jar. Screw the lid on the powder filled jar.

Under the bag of fertilizer place the powder filled jar cap side down. Extend the fuse and light or use a cigarette as a delayed igniter. RUN LIKE HELL~

Originally Posted by shetlan

Eh, when it's convenient.
In many cases, it's far more convenient to drop someone where they stand and leve them there.

True but the manual I read dealy with high value targets, people who would be missed and the police would do everything to find.

Originally Posted by shetlan

This is where practically every work on the subject has failed.
The fact is, the subject of professional killing is so vast and unpredictable that there is no way to write an actual, realistic manual on it.

Thats not true, there are several case study books on subject. Most often such acts vary from location to location but just like terrorism the historical research into the act provides a great bit of detail is often far better then books like hitman. Read Contract Killer, Married to the Iceman, Confessions of a Mafia Hitman or Joey the Hitman to get an idea of what I'm saying...

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by Draven

Thats a bit different then being a hitman and killing people in cold blood...

Whether or not the two are different depends on how one views the events in question. I use to (and occasionally still do) work in the private security field. In that industry, you don't kill because the other person is "your enemy" or even because they are trying to hurt "you". You kill them because they're trying to kill the guy who signs your paycheck.

I see little difference between being a body guard and being a hitman. As a body guard, you deal with threats that are immediate; as a hitman, you deal with threats that are delayed, past, or possibly recurring.

Originally Posted by Draven

Also you exibit plenty of anti-social tendancies in your statements and how you address them (words you use and such). Anti-social refers to maladaptive social behavior not avoiding social contact.

I know what anti-social means Draven - I'm just not anti-social. People describe me as everything from "a human teddy bear" to "everyone's big brother" to "the nicest guy you'll ever meet". Most people who meet me for the first time express shock when they hear what I do for a living; if only because they assume that a security specialist would need to be a hardass with a lousy attitude.

People assume that my views on society and human nature would make me resent or hate people as a whole, but that's simply not the case.

Originally Posted by Draven

Bullys for example are very social but they are considered anti-social for their behaviors which is not complacent with "civilized social behavior."

My point exactly. I am polite, courteous, friendly, engaging, and most often fun to be around. My behavior is copacetic with the social mores and standards that govern modern behavior.

Originally Posted by Draven

Thats because the Hitman book never a) mentioned how to extract the poisons, b) basic poisons sources was lacking, c) the explosives formula was well retarded & pure stupidity.

Ah, point conceded.
Incidentally, I recommend the work "Assorted Nasties" for anyone wanting to learn more about poisons.

Originally Posted by Draven

True but the manual I read dealt with high value targets, people who would be missed and the police would do everything to find.

So let them find them - they're just as dead.

Transporting the body of a high value target has it's own implications. It assumes that the person's corpse could be moved without detection, which is doubtful. If you're important enough to call a "high value target" then you've probably got professionals watching your back.

Originally Posted by Draven

Thats not true, there are several case study books on subject. Most often such acts vary from location to location but just like terrorism the historical research into the act provides a great bit of detail is often far better then books like hitman. Read Contract Killer, Married to the Iceman, Confessions of a Mafia Hitman or Joey the Hitman to get an idea of what I'm saying...

I skimmed Joey the Hitman a while back, but I'll give it another look.
Do you have a link to "Contract Killer"? I'm having a heck of a time finding it.

[Draven]

Contract Killer is an older book I picked it up a liberary book sale.

The thing about the high value targets a is they have allot of security and we can define high value target as Statesman, Politician, High Ranking Police/Military Leader or Wealthy Businessman. All those guys have private security and a government interest in their protection. You just can't sprinkle crack on them & walk away. So you set up someone else, to take the fall usually someone who has an interest in that person's life; a jilted lover, disgruntle employee, political activist & so on...

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by Draven

Contract Killer is an older book I picked it up a liberary book sale.

Do you have the publisher, author, etc? I'd like to see if I can find a copy.

Originally Posted by Draven

The thing about the high value targets a is they have allot of security and we can define high value target as Statesman, Politician, High Ranking Police/Military Leader or Wealthy Businessman. All those guys have private security and a government interest in their protection. You just can't sprinkle crack on them & walk away. So you set up someone else, to take the fall usually someone who has an interest in that person's life; a jilted lover, disgruntle employee, political activist & so on...

True, and it is that very security that makes transportation and body disposal virtually impossible. Hence the "let them drop where they are" strategy.

Such a frame-up is an interesting endeavor. The humor of the situation is that you must make the job appear amateurish. Slipping into the target's home unseen, delivering a triple tap to the chest, and planting the gun in his girlfriend's apartment doesn't get the job done. The very materials used must change. Would his secretary know where to get Ricin or how to deliver it? Probably not. So then, we switch to Rat Poison or perhaps Oleanders if they happen to have some growing nearby.

[ILTST9]

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[Draven]

Originally Posted by shetlan

Do you have the publisher, author, etc? I'd like to see if I can find a copy.

Authors: William Hoffman & Lake Headley
Publisher: Thunder's Mouth Press
ISBN: 1-56025-045-3
Its about Donald "Tony the Greek" Frankos

Originally Posted by shetlan

True, and it is that very security that makes transportation and body disposal virtually impossible. Hence the "let them drop where they are" strategy.

Such a frame-up is an interesting endeavor. The humor of the situation is that you must make the job appear amateurish. Slipping into the target's home unseen, delivering a triple tap to the chest, and planting the gun in his girlfriend's apartment doesn't get the job done. The very materials used must change. Would his secretary know where to get Ricin or how to deliver it? Probably not. So then, we switch to Rat Poison or perhaps Oleanders if they happen to have some growing nearby.

Not at all drop a couple books on poisons, explosives & tactical handbooks in her closet with the murder weapon, some cash & a half ounce of weed (so the dogs can find it). A simple trophy girl friend, misteress, secretary, business rival etc becomes self-styles hitman/women who is just playing innocent. I mean while your planting evidence you might as well make it complete lol...

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by Draven

Authors: William Hoffman & Lake Headley
Publisher: Thunder's Mouth Press
ISBN: 1-56025-045-3
Its about Donald "Tony the Greek" Frankos

Thanks
That should make the search easier.

Originally Posted by Draven

Not at all drop a couple books on poisons, explosives & tactical handbooks in her closet with the murder weapon, some cash & a half ounce of weed (so the dogs can find it). A simple trophy girl friend, misteress, secretary, business rival etc becomes self-styles hitman/women who is just playing innocent. I mean while your planting evidence you might as well make it complete lol...

Possible, but that's quite a bit of stuff in her posession lacking her fingerprints. No prints on the pages, the money, the drugs, or even the murder weapon? She'll no doubt pass the polygraph test. Such a boatload of evidence tells investigators one thing - she's definitely NOT the killer.

If I may borrow dialogue from "Minority Report":
Detective: This is what we call an orgy of evidence. You know how many orgies I had as a homocide cop?

Officer: How many?

Detective: None. . . This was staged.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

On the other hand, if one switches to an amateurish or low-brow poison, one can make the frame fit its portrait.

Planting a box of rat poison in a cabinet isn't much of a challenge. Put it upfront, so she'll have to move it to get to something else - ta da, prints. Forensics matches the poisons and you've got yourself a set-up.

The same applies to the oleanders, but with a bit more work.
You have to use oleanders that are close to her home (or in her yard) if possible. Plant some loose oleander leaves from the same plant in her kitchen, Also, scrub one of the leaves along her counters, and put the shears you used on a table in the open. She'll put the shears away - ta da prints. Her prints don't need to be on the oleander leaves - any gardener will tell you to wear gloves while trimming them.

Forensics match the cutting pattern on the shears to the leaves and they match the DNA in the leaves to the poison used. The residue from the oleander on her counters indicates that that is likely where she made the poison.

[Draven]

In all reality I doubt they would go that far. Why finger print stuff she is caught with? Its in her posession right, and most cops are lazy its not like on CSI where they do allot of digging. Most likely they will accept it at face value and go with it. The trick however is to leave them a clue to look there, some hair from a hair brush in the corpses hands or a "wittness" who heard "Jane Doe not please don't shoot." Rat poison requires constant dose to biuld up in the targets system over time, it keeps rat poison from being used on human as easily.

Personally I'm a fan of nicotine which you can make with rubbing alcohol, water, snuff, coffee filter, pie pan, a jar & a hot plate. 50/50 rubbing alcohol & water in a small jar, dip the snuff in the jar with lid on and let sit on hot plate over night. Squeeze out the remaining brown liquid in said jar. Pour jar's contents, filter with the coffee filter, into pie pan and let it set on the hot plate to evaporate. The brown jell is concentrated and distilled nicotine & a few drops in a drink after the person has been drinking will shut down the CNS; they will become "drunk," then sleepy & finally never wake up as their CNS shuts down and they die in a comma...

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by Draven

In all reality I doubt they would go that far. Why finger print stuff she is caught with? Its in her posession right, and most cops are lazy its not like on CSI where they do allot of digging. Most likely they will accept it at face value and go with it.

First off, we're talking about a high-profile killing, which gets scrutinized to an insane degree. High profile murders are what agencies fight for jurisdiction over - whoever gets it would be using all the resources at their disposal.

Secondly, her own lawyer (even if it's a public defender) will insist on the items being printed.

Never underestimate your opposition; if anything, over-estimate them. Fewer surprises that way.

Originally Posted by Draven

The trick however is to leave them a clue to look there, some hair from a hair brush in the corpses hands or a "wittness" who heard "Jane Doe not please don't shoot." Rat poison requires constant dose to biuld up in the targets system over time, it keeps rat poison from being used on human as easily.

They shouldn't need much encouragement to look at the girlfriend, wife, etc. Putting the number of a divorce attourney in the victim's pocket provided a reason to look into both - it also provides an artificial motive.

Secondly, I used "rat poison" as a cliche example of a common houshold item that could be used to poison the victim. Few commercially available rat poisons contain the classic ingredient (arsenic) anymore, so rat poison specifically isn't all that effective. The point of the example being that the weapon or poison used should be something that doesn't look out of place in the average person's home.

Originally Posted by Draven

Personally I'm a fan of nicotine which you can make with rubbing alcohol, water, snuff, coffee filter, pie pan, a jar & a hot plate. 50/50 rubbing alcohol & water in a small jar, dip the snuff in the jar with lid on and let sit on hot plate over night. Squeeze out the remaining brown liquid in said jar. Pour jar's contents, filter with the coffee filter, into pie pan and let it set on the hot plate to evaporate. The brown jell is concentrated and distilled nicotine & a few drops in a drink after the person has been drinking will shut down the CNS; they will become "drunk," then sleepy & finally never wake up as their CNS shuts down and they die in a comma...

I assume we're off the set-up and back to more professional means.

I'm a bigger fan of Ricin, largely due to it's difficulty to ID after death. I also have a favorite distribution method I'll PM you.

[Draven]

By no means do thay scrunize excessively look at the 9/11 report, OK City bombing & JFK assassination. In all three cases they have ignored information that complicates the face value of the findings, besides if you can hit a high profile target & not get caught it raises questions. The difference between an Amature & a Pro is in the "get away clean" aspect a hit; few pros can get away clean on a high value target and amatures never do. Simply ask a patsy to mail a letter for you which contains a death threat for the target. Better yet, B&E their appartment and put PDFs of such material on a computer with a password using their mother's name (public information). Send a few e-mails from said IP address to the target and poof a pattern of behavior and motive and method.

All it requires is that the hitter get close to the patsy, make friends and manipulate the patsy. Hiring a stripper or hooker to "make out" with a target (under the pretense of getting even with a boss) and leaving such pictures in a wife's hands is motive enough. You can even get the wife to handle the books by asking her to lay them next to your computer because you need to research them for a murder mystery your writing for the a publisher. Tell her there is some funny stuff in there is the physical evidence with finger prints and so on. Usually though its just easier to blame a rival with every means and motive to proform the hit. A gang boss who kills a judge when he gets out of prison will not be too far inspected, you simply need to match the methods. Books on poisons don't matter if you shoot someone with a rifle. But, you can dress up like a crack head and trade the gun and a sniper FM for some crack might have to drop wieght and smoke up some just for effect but hey...

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by Draven

By no means do thay scrunize excessively look at the 9/11 report, OK City bombing & JFK assassination. In all three cases they have ignored information that complicates the face value of the findings,

That's a matter of opinion.
I don't see anything in the 9/11 report that disputes the verdict; nor do I see anything in the OK city bombing that makes me question the findings. JFK was pretty cut and dry.

Originally Posted by Draven

All it requires is that the hitter get close to the patsy, make friends and manipulate the patsy. Hiring a stripper or hooker to "make out" with a target (under the pretense of getting even with a boss) and leaving such pictures in a wife's hands is motive enough. You can even get the wife to handle the books by asking her to lay them next to your computer because you need to research them for a murder mystery your writing for the a publisher. Tell her there is some funny stuff in there is the physical evidence with finger prints and so on. Usually though its just easier to blame a rival with every means and motive to proform the hit.

I'm VERY weary of the idea of associating with the person you're setting up. Identity, description, forensics proving your presence in the area, none of it rings well.

In the case of a high-profile target, his wife is no doubt watched on a regular basis. Witnesses seeing you getting close to the wife means you become a suspect yourself.

Originally Posted by Draven

A gang boss who kills a judge when he gets out of prison will not be too far inspected, you simply need to match the methods. Books on poisons don't matter if you shoot someone with a rifle. But, you can dress up like a crack head and trade the gun and a sniper FM for some crack might have to drop wieght and smoke up some just for effect but hey...

If you're killing a judge and pinning it on a crime lord, you don't need to use amateurish methods - you can hit him however you like, assuming you plant evidence that he hired "someone" to carry out the hit.

[JOECRAZYKID]

if after i found out the thermite didnt work i would use acid if that didnt work i would think of some thing

for a high profile target i would use my trusty 50cal wait a mile or so away for the target to show up at a designated place adjust for wind and such drop the target and begon befor security can trace where the bulit came from

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by JOECRAZYKID

if after i found out the thermite didnt work i would use acid if that didnt work i would think of some thing

Why don't you just hang around all day screaming "I'm disposing of a body!" at the top of your lungs.

Originally Posted by JOECRAZYKID

for a high profile target i would use my trusty 50cal wait a mile or so away for the target to show up at a designated place adjust for wind and such drop the target and begon befor security can trace where the bulit came from

My god, there are so many things wrong with that (other than the spelling), I don't know where to start.

1: No doubt, you're no sniper. A mile shot with any weapon is immeasurably difficult. Unless you have years of practice with high caliber weapons, you're not going to hit anything.
2: Adjusting for wind is one thing, adjusting for the time it takes for the bullet to go from your position to the target is another thing entirely.
3: Unless you're in the middle of nowhere, a 50cal can't be silenced effectively enough to conceal your position. People nearby may not know who you shot, but they know you shot somebody - camera phone time.

[CanadianPyro]

God damn, this is exactly why people get caught - they don't think things through.

Originally Posted by JOECRAZYKID

if after i found out the thermite didnt work i would use acid if that didnt work i would think of some thing

You're going to think of an alternative disposal method AFTER you have a charred, acid covered corpse in a hole in some field that's probably now on fire?

for a high profile target i would use my trusty 50cal wait a mile or so away for the target to show up at a designated place

A mile away? Unless you're an ex-military sniper, you'd be lucky to hit the building the target is standing in front of.

adjust for wind and such drop the target and begon befor security can trace where the bulit came from

Adjusting for bullet drop and flight time will require you to measure the distance between yourself and the target, and yourself and the ground. You will then have to input these measurements into a very accurate external ballistics calculator. Wind is a whole different ballgame. You will need to bring measuring equipment with you to the shooting site, and be able to do the trigonometric calculations in your head on the fly, as wind speed and direction are constantly changing. I don't believe you are capable of any of this, especially with the precision required for such a long distance shot.

As for the shot itself, a .50 caliber rifle will make an enormous bang. You'll rattle the walls of nearby buildings, and everyone in the area will be immediately looking around trying to figure out who fired the gun or set off the explosive device. You will not be able to pack up your equipment and carry a 6 foot long rifle out of the area before someone sees you. I suppose it won't matter as much though, you'll be charged for attempted murder rather than 1st degree homicide, as there is no way in hell you will hit anything from a mile away.

[JOECRAZYKID]

Alright I admit it I should have thought that though a little better
i rarely think things through life is funner that way, I usaly just act on impulse
My computer doesnt have a spell checker and if it does I'm to lazy to find it

Here's another plan find a bunch of kids in a suicide hospital tell them a bunch of things they want to hear and get to where they'd die for you then send them after your target if one fails the others should succeed, it would porbaly fail miserably but you dont know you just dont know i know there many factors i'm not putting in but thats cause i dont want to write that much and i would have to know a lot more about the target,time,place,weather etc...

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by JOECRAZYKID

Here's another plan find a bunch of kids in a suicide hospital tell them a bunch of things they want to hear and get to where they'd die for you then send them after your target if one fails the others should succeed . . .

Joe, you need to stop writing plans now.

[CanadianPyro]

Originally Posted by JOECRAZYKID

i rarely think things through life is funner that way, I usaly just act on impulse

As a teenager myself, I find that most of the individuals in said age group have that mentality. It's quite sickening, up there with those who think they're "anarchists" because they feel rebellious against society. You might grow out of it, I know some who never did. Until you do, you won't be getting any jobs in this field. Impulse control, and superb analysis and planning skills are required to become a successful hitman.

My computer doesnt have a spell checker and if it does I'm to lazy to find it

Download and use Firefox. It has a built in spelling checker.

Here's another plan find a bunch of kids in a suicide hospital tell them a bunch of things they want to hear and get to where they'd die for you then send them after your target

You're going to send a bunch of suicidal kids, all of whom have no experience with firearms, no combat skills, no knowledge of tactics, and most importantly, severe mental fragility, to take out a high profile target?

Sending someone else to do your killing, especially a group of kids, is a bad idea in general. If they are successful in executing the hit, what do you do when they are aprehended? They will most likely mentally collapse and tell the cops everything they know about you.

If you want to get away with murder, you tell no one.

if one fails the others should succeed

What if they all fail? What if only a few die?

Suppose you have a dozen kids, and half are killed in the altercation. What do the remaining 6 do? Disappear? They'll leave a whole mess of evidence at the scene that will lead right back to them, and after some investigation, right to the guy who was visiting them in the hospital for hours every day.

it would porbaly fail miserably but you dont know you just dont know i know there many factors i'm not putting in but thats cause i dont want to write that much and i would have to know a lot more about the target,time,place,weather etc...

Yes, it would fail miserably, largely because the plan is based on a poor concept. You can throw in as much planning as you like, but in the end, sending mentally unstable kids to kill for you is just not a good idea.

[worldwideparttime]

I think the real question is how do you get your first contracts?

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by worldwideparttime

I think the real question is how do you get your first contracts?

1: That's one of the most basic aspects of the job.
2: If you need someone to tell you how, then you have no business trying to become a contract killer.

[bloodlusta]

Originally Posted by worldwideparttime

I think the real question is how do you get your first contracts?

Rofl you obvously have been watching way to much tv. Hitmen don't really exsit, atleast not in the way you are thinking. The only groups that would really call in hits would be gangs and they are more then capible of doing it themselfs. Also if anyone wanted someone called they would just go to a gang, and offer the job to them.

[shetlan]

Correction, full time professional hitters are "exceedingly rare" but they do exist.

I've worked in personal security for some of the country's wealthier individuals. I won't name names, but calling in "a specialist" to take care of certain problems was done more than once - by more than one executive.

On the more "everyman" side of the spectrum, there's a story in the media every few months about an ex-cop who tried to hire himself out as a hitman.

As far as gangs go, they take care of most of their dirty work on their own; calling in a pro isn't necessary. As a rule, hitters will be employed by people who wish to retain the appearance of being legitimate business people - almost always contacted and hired by a third party.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by worldwideparttime

I think the real question is how do you get your first contracts?

Well most professional hitmen are either expert freelance terrorists/guerrillas or they work for organized crime syndicates. Usually they are low level goons who are offered a bonus to off someone. I actually knew a guy back here who was a hitman in Ohio. He did a total of three hits and was told to never come back to Cleaveland or else.

Most hitman are just muscle for guys who call them in when they don't want to be connected to them in anyway. I've seen allot of non-alfiliated drug dealers offer guys money to "carry out a hit" & in all reality you get what you pay for. Spend $2,000 on a street rat and get rat shit. Spend $25,000 on a professional and get a work of art.

[bloodlusta]

The idea of a hitman, dressed up in a suit, using silenced pistols and other high tech gear, just doesn't exsist. As draven said, mostly they are just the stupid muscle who are just used by the higher ups.

Stop watching tv

[Draven]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

The idea of a hitman, dressed up in a suit, using silenced pistols and other high tech gear, just doesn't exsist. As draven said, mostly they are just the stupid muscle who are just used by the higher ups.

Stop watching tv

Depends on what you want to call a high tech device, to some a pipe bomb with a improvised radio detenator is high tech gear. I've been offered the job by a few individuals who know me as ex-military & a martial artist. I laughed at them...

And I do have some high tech toys; bionic ears, NVG scopes, camera binos and so on...

[bloodlusta]

I mean that whole James bond thing.

lol I know one person who was hired to kill someone. He broke into the guys house at night with a baseball bat. But the guy was still awake and beat him unconsise with a hammer. I think it was in the paper. Will try to find a link

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

I mean that whole James bond thing.

lol I know one person who was hired to kill someone. He broke into the guys house at night with a baseball bat. But the guy was still awake and beat him unconsise with a hammer. I think it was in the paper. Will try to find a link

Nobody is contesting the fact that the James Bond and "Agent 47" persona's of hitmen are fictional, but claiming that professional hitmen don't exist is just silly. News reports as well as biographies of professional hitters pop up on a regular basis.

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

The idea of a hitman, dressed up in a suit, using silenced pistols and other high tech gear, just doesn't exsist. As draven said, mostly they are just the stupid muscle who are just used by the higher ups.

There are several interesting claims here.

Might a hitman wear a suit?
Sure, if that's reasonable for his surroundings. He also might wear sweats, baggy jeans, or dress like a hobo. Whatever fits the situation.

Might a hitman use silenced pistols?
Sure, he also might use regular pistols or a shotgun - an effective weapon is an effective weapon.

"High Tech Gear" is an interesting question.

Might a hitman use a remote activated bomb?
Sure, it's a legitimate and effective device - which has been used by multiple groups and hitters throughout the decades.

On the other hand:

Would a hitman have a watch with a geigercounter (sp?) like bond?
No, that's just stupid.
Will his car have retractable machine guns?
No, that's also "just stupid".

Back on the other hand, remote surveillance equipment, nvg's, bugs, phone taps, long distance photography, etc. Any of these might be utilized depending on the requirements of the job.