ultamite street fighting guide

[YoungHypnotiq]

boxing

[YoungHypnotiq]

cleaned up the stance section

[YoungHypnotiq]

added in the never pose section

[YoungHypnotiq]

the basics is 100% complete next is punching. anyone have any questions so far?

[darkhunter]

Nice guide

[YoungHypnotiq]

thanks. its no where near done, but i figure when ever i have time i will work a little more on it.

[Steve_TPF]

I havent looked at this thread much before, since I already have a solid knowledge of boxing and have trained in several martial arts. After reading through your guide however I have a couple of questions. Firstly:

Originally Posted by YoungHypnotiq

you want to land with your bottom 3 knuckles(pinkey, ring and middle. aim to make contact with the ring and let the other two knuckle follow in)

I understand that you are teaching each technique in stages, which is why you tell people not to step and twist the hand initially. What I don't understand is why you say to hit with the bottom three knuckles. In boxing, as in martial arts, I was taught to use the first two. The lower knuckles are weaker, and the bones of the hand do not connect solidly with the radius and ulna, making for a structuraly weaker punch. Do you have a particular reason for using this method? Please post references if you have them.

Secondly, don't underestimate the jab. As well as its obvious use in keeping your opponant at bay or breaking down his guard, it can be delivered with great force. Not a knockout blow, but enough to stop someone in their tracks and set them up for the right hand. The optimum time to throw it is when your opponant steps forward to swing a heavy punch. The faster jab connects first, and his forward motion combined with your step forward makes for a hard hit.
I have seen quite a few professional boxers who neglect the proper use of the jab, or have a weak or slow jab. Performed correctly it is one of the best punches you can have in your arsenal. I landed few hooks and uppercuts in sparring, but plenty of jabs.

[YoungHypnotiq]

Originally Posted by Steve_TPF

I havent looked at this thread much before, since I already have a solid knowledge of boxing and have trained in several martial arts. After reading through your guide however I have a couple of questions. Firstly:

I understand that you are teaching each technique in stages, which is why you tell people not to step and twist the hand initially. What I don't understand is why you say to hit with the bottom three knuckles. In boxing, as in martial arts, I was taught to use the first two. The lower knuckles are weaker, and the bones of the hand do not connect solidly with the radius and ulna, making for a structuraly weaker punch. Do you have a particular reason for using this method? Please post references if you have them.

Secondly, don't underestimate the jab. As well as its obvious use in keeping your opponant at bay or breaking down his guard, it can be delivered with great force. Not a knockout blow, but enough to stop someone in their tracks and set them up for the right hand. The optimum time to throw it is when your opponant steps forward to swing a heavy punch. The faster jab connects first, and his forward motion combined with your step forward makes for a hard hit.
I have seen quite a few professional boxers who neglect the proper use of the jab, or have a weak or slow jab. Performed correctly it is one of the best punches you can have in your arsenal. I landed few hooks and uppercuts in sparring, but plenty of jabs.

first off. about the jab. yes i 100% agree actually the next section i was going to say that this was the most important punch and such. i was just giving the mechanics and such first. i will explain that most of the punches you throw will be a jab. and the reason for throwing it with the bottom 3 knuckles is because it is the power line. most fighters know this. jack dempsey is a strong beliver in this and so is mark hatmaker and bruce lee. here is a quick drill. obviously if you bend your wrist when you punch you will break it. now go near a wall and try and touch the wall with your first to knuckles with a a jab to the head with out bending your wrist. Its impossible. also those 3 may be the weakest but since yoou are hitin with 3 as opposed to 2 you spread the force across all 3. also you are aiming to hit with the knuckle next to the pinky but as you do this the other 2 knuckles also hit. heres a good link. It isnt about bxing but it does discuss the knuckles to hit with. http://homepages.nyu.edu/~jmm257/pawns.html.

[Steve_TPF]

Thanks for your explanation. Unfortunately I can't acess the link you supplied (403 Forbidden). I accept that you have a reason for your technique, but I have never had a problem with mine. Yes if you punch a wall your middle knuckles will hit first, but I have never been attacked by a wall. When throwing to the body the contact of the middle knuckles does not affect the punch. When throwing to the chin the middles knuckles are below the jaw, and do not connect.

[YoungHypnotiq]

the main reason i recomend hitting with the last 3 is because you cant hit with the other 2 without bending your wrist. anyway each person is diffeent and i know plenty of people hit with the other 2 i just recomend the last 3. BTW did you read what i added in the jab section i explained more in depth about the uses of the jab

[Steve_TPF]

Yes, I've read it. You do make the importance of the jab clear. If you can find any other links for the use of the lower three knuckles I'd be grateful.

[YoungHypnotiq]

alright well are you familiar with Bruce Lees "The Tao of Gung Fu" he expalins it in that.

this is from many books including dempseys, bruce lees, and mark hatmaker
To Find the Power Line:


1. Stand arms length from a wall with your feet together. With your hand open your middle finger should barely touch the wall.
2. With your fist in an upright position, fall forward so that your fist touches the wall at chin height.
3. Your fist will touch the wall with the knuckle of your little finger landing naturally on the wall with a natural, comfortable wrist alignment.
4. Repeat this now using the larger two knuckles of your fist.
5. Your will notice a kink in your wrist and a break in the power line that runs along your arm.
now try it with a horizontal fist

The knuckle of your little finger, the exit point of your power line is however an extremely weak part of your hand. Breaks of this knuckle are so common that they are referred to as a “boxers fracture” in the medical world. For this reason it is vital that you aim to land your “ring” finger knuckle. This distributes the force across your lower three knuckles so that you can hit without damaging your own hands.

im sorry i cant find any more links.

[Steve_TPF]

That's ok. You have provided a good explanation and a couple of references I can look up. I don't think I'll be changing my technique anytime soon though.

[YoungHypnotiq]

No problem. dont worry about it. no need to change up. im just saying since the lasgt 3 knuckles is GENERALLY better i would rather teach that to begginers.

[YoungHypnotiq]

what are your martial art background?
i am an amateru boxer, kickboxer, savateur, wrestler(folk, Greco-roman, and freestyle), brazilian jiujitsu, and for the past few months i have been practicing for my first MMA fight. I am planning on starting to learn a new style soon. i also had the pleasure of learning some crazy monkey boxing from rodney king. and i know alot of street aplications for boxing a few moves that you cant do in boxing but can do in the street. i love talking with fellow martial artists so please post your backgroundl. you seem to know alot so i wanted to know your background so if youu were to need help i could help or vice versa

[Thelasttrueone]

I'm 15 recently got my blackbelt in full contact kyokushin karate. Pretty hard, I had to do kata while getting hit with a stick. Later go through 15 rounds against other balckbelts. The first round I dislocated the guy's arm with a roundhouse kick and the last I let a flying kneekick hit me in the solar plexus delivered by our uchi deshi.

[YoungHypnotiq]

thats pretty cool. in full contact karate do you wear any pads?

[Thelasttrueone]

Yea, thin arm and leg pads about half an inch of some kind of foam. Sadly for me they provide no protection from knees or elbows and above. During the test I also wore headgear because with fatigue they knew I would drop my hands and get nailed a few times.

like these but less
http://www.fightproducts.com/images/...in_insteps.JPG

Also I just remembered the "stick" was a shinai.

[Steve_TPF]

I have trained (briefly) in kickboxing, karate and BJJ. Not long enough to become proficient, but long enough to grasp the conceps (and decide they weren't for me). I studied TKD for 1-1/2 years, and was reasonable, but left because of the focus on tournament fighting. I took boxing lessons for four years, no fights but regular sparring, and still retain much of those skills. Currently I train in Lacanne, a french stickfighting style, and Savate, the unarmed french combat form. I have practised Lacanne for about 2-1/2-3 years, and Savate for a little over a year. I'm enjoying both.

Savate is different from other styles I have studied (see my Savate thread for more info), and is quite a challenge.

I would be happy to discuss differences in styles and techniques.

[YoungHypnotiq]

i clened up evrything. i added in which fighters to watch in order to help you learn better techiniques for each move.

[ecko]

This really is a well written guide. It is true, it must have tooken you a LONG time to type it.

[YoungHypnotiq]

thanks. im slowly working on it. i started it over the summer. im trying to give a little fighting insight to you guys. im gunna try and update it often so check back every once in a while.

[pekrwood88]

i would have to disagree with the bottom three nuckles approach, only because that is how i broke my right hand about three years ago, but then again that fucker did have a thick skull

[Steve_TPF]

Where did you hit him exactly? It you connect with the upper part of the skull you have a good chance of breaking your hand regardless of technique.

I use the first two knuckles myself, (taught to in boxing), but Hypnotiq has a reason for striking his way. Some kung-fu styles do it as well.

[pekrwood88]

i was aiming for the temple and landed on the upper left side of his eye socket. ive never had any problems when usend my first two knuckles so i take care to stay away from the pinky and ring fingers

[Steve_TPF]

Hitting the temple would have been effective, but it's risky (as you found out). The jaw will move on impact: safer for your hand.

[pekrwood88]

the eye socket was effective enough knocked him to the ground where i could throw the boots, for some reason i am fond of the temple

[Steve_TPF]

I'm fond of my hands. Glad it worked for you though.