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Old 10-05-2008, 02:19 PM
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You can learn a lot from the masters of torture, the nazis. They practiced torture in the name of pure science and if you died no biggie, there's plenty more where you came from. The nazis tortured most people strictly for their amusement.
Just reading stories of what they did to people is enough to make your skin crawl.

Sensory depravation is for amatures. Tie the victim down and perform open chest surgery while he's still awake. Don't forget your earplugs.

There's plenty of horror movies ripe with ideas if you can't think of anything. Saddam Hussan used to get hs best ideas from horror movies. Lowering people into a meat grinder is straight out of the movie "The Exterminator". Saddam did this to many people who talked shit about him.

Another idea from the nazis. Tie someones hands behind them and stand them under a tree. Tie a long rope to their hands and throw the other end over a tall tree branch. Now with the aid of others lift the victim straight up. As they hang there it will rip the muscles out of their shoulders and they'll be in so much pain they'll pass out. Keep in mind the guys hands are not above him, but behind him. It works even better on fat people. I've seen pictures of this method being used on multiple victims at once. Very paiful looking.

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Old 10-16-2008, 06:47 AM
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Ah, torture. How to get someone to talk? To hurt them so much that death would be a release. The ways of torture are only limited to the imagination.

I've never tortured anyone, and probably never will, but I've often pondered ways in which you can torture someone. Here are a few I can think of at the moment, I'm not sure if they work, I'd have to test them to find out...

First, what I call the 'Ladder Method'.

To do this, get a chalk board, white board, large piece of paper, etc., and a pen or marker to write with. Your going to make a visual aid of sorts.

Draw a 'ladder' of sorts, in anyway you want. Your going to make it so each 'rung' of the ladder has a different form of torture written on it. Then you will hide the rungs by taping some non see through paper or something over each one. This is so the victim doesn't know what each torture is till you reveal it.

You start at the bottom of the ladder, with a really mild form of torture, something even laughable. Say, get a few sewing pins, and stick them into the victims skin, basic stuff. This is to lure the victim into a false sense of security, to make think 'Oh, this isn't bad it all...I can relax'. Unfortunately for the victim, that won't be the case for long. You see, as you ascend the ladder of torture, the torture methods get progressively worse...and worse...and worse...

When it is apparent the sewing needles aren't getting any information out of him, just shrug and say 'Oh well, I guess this isn't going to break you...' Then pause for a few seconds like your thinking and say '...I'm gonna try something a little different...'

At this point, you go to the ladder and take of the piece of paper that hides the next rung, to show the next torture. The victim may think its another weakling form of torture...but really, its not. The 2nd rung should have a much more painful torture method than the first, this will make the victim snap out of his relaxation pretty quickly.

What you do is up to you, for my 2nd rung, I would have something like this written on the ladder: 'Slowly cut of 1 finger with blunt knife'.
Blunt knives take longer to cut, obviously, but they also hurt the victim a lot more than a sharp knife would. As I said slowly, I would take my sweet time, making sure the nerves in his fingers send maximum pain signals to the brain.

So basically, you carry on in that manner, make sure to elevate the nastiness of the torture each rung you climb. Here is an example I made:



Note: I've only done 12 rungs, but you can have as little or as many as you like!

Notice the top rung. In mine I drew two skulls next to it to make it stand out. This is 'The Most Feared Torture'. It is not necessarily that horrible (though it can be), however the victim doesn't know that, so he will fear it. If he asks what the top rung means, or if the top rung means you will kill him you can choose out of a couple of things to say:

[The torturer shudders when the victim mentions the top rung] 'Oh that...that is the most terrible form of torture known to man. I wouldn't even want to use it on my worst enemy. For your sake, I hope you give in before we get to that one...'

or,

[Casually] 'Oh that? You don't want to know. Lets just say its not pretty...'

And that is The Ladder Method. I have some other ideas for torture but I have go, so I'll post them later.

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Old 10-16-2008, 07:21 AM
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Sexual Appendages. Threaten harm to any part or do some damage and they will talk. That said perception of loyalty and production of false evidence works the best as torture will exact incorrect information in the end. (people will say anything to make the pain go away) Treat someone badly and throw them into a hole. Gently rough up a friend throw him in the cell with the person. They will form a bond and some level of trust (create situations) eventually you will swap false information about yourself and he will hopefully swap factual information. That said the guilty will always talk. If the person is a criminal, his moral compass is out of whack anyways and should talk.

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Coerced Confessions - Issues In Forensic Psychology - Coerced Confessions
Your Guilty so Just Confess (paper) - http://digitalcommons.utep.edu/cgi/v...stian_meissner

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Old 10-18-2008, 12:57 PM
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Sexual Appendages. Threaten harm to any part or do some damage and they will talk. That said perception of loyalty and production of false evidence works the best as torture will exact incorrect information in the end. (people will say anything to make the pain go away) Treat someone badly and throw them into a hole. Gently rough up a friend throw him in the cell with the person. They will form a bond and some level of trust (create situations) eventually you will swap false information about yourself and he will hopefully swap factual information. That said the guilty will always talk. If the person is a criminal, his moral compass is out of whack anyways and should talk.
But your forgetting two key points;

1- The idea is worst then the act...
A false confession doesn't happen to those who are used to such elements as you explain; criminals, those who have been arrested before, those who have gone to SERS. Those elements only work on the those who are not used to the cohersion of false evidence or claims that "your buddy is ratting you out so rat him out first."

2- Provide an out...
You have to provide a way out; and in this respect classic psychological ploys work great; good cop/bad cop, direct threats, indirect threats and give and take games. As for the use of physical torture; it can be used to enhance psychological torture and of course to give someone an out.

Allow for false confessions and provided information checks out offer the subject a release; comfort and aid or to provide for some desired aspect of their lives; family, freedom, protection etc.

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Old 10-18-2008, 10:43 PM
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Bah, the Nazis were just a bunch of plagiators in terms of torture, inventing very little of their own. Much of the medical torture they performed was of supposedly scientific purpose, pain being coincidential to the experiment.

It was their pre-war Soviet buddies and the nations of the Far East that provided most schooling to the Gestapo and the SS.

One form, practiced by Soviet NKVD guards on Gulag inmates, was torture by mosquitoes. As you can imagine, the marshes of Siberia can be a quite dreadful place to be around in summers. The victims were stripped naked and bound to a tree in the taiga. Presumed they were not eaten by wild animals first, the millions of mosquitoes would suck most of their blood out in a matter of hours.

Another one used by Japanese army on Chinese civilians was burying alive. Drawing inspiration from Medieval executioners, the Khmer Rouge would later take this to next level, burying the victims in ground to neck and then using a bulldozer, horse-pulled plough or other suitable agricultural tool to plough their heads off, thus both collecting trophies to intimidate other enemies and saving themselves the effort of digging graves for the executed.

A nasty one practiced in ancient China and used by the Kempeitai (Japanese equivalent of Gestapo) in the modern era was the Riddles of the Ten Sages. One's feet was locked in the stocks, and the interrogator would ask ten questions (either about the necessary subject, or just plain riddles). If the victim answered what was wanted from him, the torturer would proceed with the next question. However, if one failed, the torturer would drive a sharp chisel under one toenail (or alternatively use it to split the toe in two). The amount of functional toes left after the torture depended on the victim's level of cooperation and/or shrewdness.

As for the suggestion of using a Ladder-style list, that is a decent idea. However, to determine what would be at the top, you would have to explore the victim well and learn his/her worst fear first, and then implement it in the ultimate torture. Like in Orwell's 1984, "everybody knows what's inside Room 101 - it is the worst thing in the world."
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One way I saw from Ichi the Killer Is hanging someone up from the cieling with meat hooks in thier back then let them watching fat boiling, if they don't talk then pour the fat over thier back.

Also there's the old rat in the bucket way. You tie the person down then if they won't talk you get a metal bucket and a rat, you put the rat on thier stomach and the bucket over the rat, thus stopping the rat escaping. Then you heat up the metal bucket and the rat feels the heat and goes through the only thing it can, the person's stomach.

Thats old school londoner gangster style =P^

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Horrible way to kill/Maim somebody. Tie them down to a bed, so they cannot move, and put an iron on their stomach. It will slowly heat up and VERY painfully and slowly start to burn into them.
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