Exoskeletion

[Black_Devil]

hehehehhehehehehehehe......Guess what? I can do WHATEVER I want!

Opps...temeporary insanity.

[Core Entropy]

Guys dont be bitches to the guy he is serious. Dude start out small. Hydrolics and the metal suit should be key. Getting it to move is first yo. Then protection. Then speed and so on.

[Black_Devil]

Thanks, core, yes I think thats the direction I'm headed in.

[TroyV]

This is stupid.
Why don't you save yourself the failed trouble, buy an iron man mask, buy a gun, and run around in your back yard shooting cats.

[Black_Devil]

lol, Yea, I don't know, this exokeletion thing is starting to lose its appeal.....

[Lone Gunman]

Originally Posted by Black_Devil

lol, Yea, I don't know, this exokeletion thing is starting to lose its appeal.....

The appeal of an armored suit to me will always be high.... I just don't think someone without technical know how like you can do it.

[Draven]

When I was kid I had a similar idea...

Ok a long time ago, when I was maybe 16 or 17 I designed a type of battle armor for light infantry. Closer to batman then iron man, but it did have some weapons systems built into it. The suit had bladed extensions, knuckles, knees, elbows and finger tips. The idea was the blades could a) help with climbing and b) close combat. The helmit was made so that it could magnify noise and ear-pieces similar to old school hearing aids was used to enhance you natural sense of hearing. Special leases would of course refract and enhance light at night, enhancing natural sight while keeping IR glows low.

The weapon systems, were pretty cut and dry

A micro-wave projector, was set in the chest, and could be controlled from a switch on the left forearm, either as a wide burst EMP (like screwing up a pace maker) or as a focused micrwave beam to set stuff on fire. The switch was built into a CO2 powered grapple gun, the ropes-locks for parachute cord was fixing to the wrists of the gauntlet. The left gauntlet had three injecters, of sinthetic adrinoline, to enhanced speed and strength. But hey I was a kid...

[Black_Devil]

I'm not really the hardware techno-geek type anyway, I would probably get bored half way through the project, lol.

[squat251]

i dont know, keep at it, you had some good ideas, who knows perhaps we will see him in the news some day, who are all of you to doubt the potential of another man whom you have never met and are judging based on his crazy ideas. i will remind you that the first guy to say the earth was round was ridiculed and beaten...

[Delirious]

Originally Posted by Hephaestus

hey black devil i got a sugestion for ya. get in a metal trash can cut arm and leg holes out of it, take some shrooms and halucinate that ur flying. theres no way ur going to be able to construct somthing of this nature, so quit dreaming man.

This man is the real genius.

Realistically, building an "exoskeleton" would require a lot of work. Finding the machinery, yet alone materials suitable for the job would prove a difficult task. That said, by this stage you would have well and truly come to terms with this.

While I am very interested in how this turns out, and don't let this hinder you, I seriously believe this will hit a brick wall. May I suggest something of simpler design? I'm thinking more along the lines of Batman than Ironman. I'm just being realistic, but seriously consider how you plan to achieve this exoskeleton.

[Black_Devil]

Originally Posted by squat251

i dont know, keep at it, you had some good ideas, who knows perhaps we will see him in the news some day, who are all of you to doubt the potential of another man whom you have never met and are judging based on his crazy ideas. i will remind you that the first guy to say the earth was round was ridiculed and beaten...

You have a point, and you know what I'm gona do when/if i finish it=)

[Slathe]

... Why so many posts??? You all actually took the time to ridicule a guy who is going to post more details when he feels comfortable? The kid probably thinks a "perpetual energy machine" is possible with a fish tank circuit using almost equal components.... Then again, that might be over his head.

Got to figure out a way to direct the energy using magnetism. Sound's like an electrical engineer...

Building said suit is relatively easy if you don't have to worry about lil' things like not being plugged directly into a wall at all times... Guessing every one missed the article in popular science... Quite a crazy contraption...

I foresee a walking tank sooner then that though. Think about the fact that it must very very low maintenance and work in just about any environmental situation.... Who says we'll be fighting in a temperate rain forest next? Or in the middle of the Sahara Desert?

[Draven]

I'm actually a fan of the exoskeleton idea, I'm just more concern with how someone plas to build such.?

[Timm]

I would tell the kid to go to the municipal airport at about four thirty, find the shop hangar and talk to the older guy drinkin beer. He'll be towards the back, by the other door probably. (look for a shitty truck outside!)

Anyway, ask him if he molds any parts or does epoxy repairs. If he says yes, say well then what would be the toughest and lightest fiber you could find? He'll pause, look at you kinda funny, and to get him to say more, you'll kinda have to sell him on how cool your suit would be, or at least on how stoked you are on it. If he gives you less than a one minute answer after that, you got the wrong guy.

if thats the case, go to the library and find a book or 6 on composites. Learn some types, pros and cons, and weaves, and glance at the forming techniques. Then, armed with your newfound knowledge, try a similar approach on someone else, either there, the boat yard, the g-racer garage, or at a retailer that sells performance epoxies and fibers. Don't fidget, or interrupt, and make sure they're not too busy before you bug em!

If you do this about 6 times in less than four weeks, repeating the process of learning by yourself and from others, you'll be miles ahead on your project (but maybe still in the gate!), and quite possibly more knowledgable about bad-ass composite materials than most people here.

[Steve_TPF]

I used to work in aircraft maintenance. As such I know enough about composites to know that Black_Devil can't afford them, or the equipment required.

[Draven]

Screw it I'm gonna help Black Devil out...

Heres a unique thought, why do we/you need electronic motor controls to enhance strength? Yes, thats how iron man did it but its easier and more feasible to use a basic mechanical spring coil to enhance joint movement on joints like the knees and elbows. This would make allow pressure to be taken off the joints and assist muscles in movement.

This if the armor wieghted say 120lbs (possible) and the mechanical joints could add say 20lbs to weaker movements such as straightening the legs or arms. Said Armor is now 20lbs lighter in effect. Also since joints can be designed to "lock" this would allow the armor to brace any natural movements plus adding the effects of said joints a person of average strength could lift a resonably heavly object, a small freezer perhaps but not a car

Of course any such armor will restrict movement and wieght you down, so your primary concern should be with developing the weapon systems and possible defense systems. At best your talking war machine or boba fet and not iron man, in appearance. Which I'll suggest laser guided targeting systems and verbal command functions for guidance systems.

In all likely hood you could build a mini-jet engine to create short flight, more like large leaps and slow falls the problems is thats like strapping a missle to your ass and if it takes a round you go boom.

Offencively; you could simply carry a heavy caliber assault rifle, have several small shoulder fired grenade turrents which would basically act like program detonated grenades, and a small .223 machine turrents. This would literally allow you to engage up to 2 may 3 or 4 sets of targets at once.

Defensively; one or two very small helium tanks to fill and release balloons that would relay thermal imaging back to you, voice attivated smoke devices and even motion activated auto fire programs would allow any shoulder turrents to fire without your command which would allow you to bring said heavy caliber assault weapon to bear. Also a taser like effect for the outer plating to stun anyone who attempts to go hand to hand with you.

Just running off ideas to get you thinking...

[Timm]

So has anyone else burst out laughing at any point while reading this thread or am I just an asshole? I was feeling the give-the-kid-a-break action, help out the underdog, but i'm startin to wonder where he wants to go with it..(like the bank on friday?) Is it cops you need a super suit (you!! in the back! stop that snickering!!..) to defend yourself from or to attack? Terrorists? Bizarrely mutated killer animals? ...aliens..?

Sometimes people do what you're talking about but instead of making a sweet armored suit they just get a bulletproof vest and smoke way too much crack and run around shooting stuff chaotically with strength and speed ect.. never ends well.

Anyway, hydraulic asssist sounds like the shit. But i gotta say keeping the components and the power pack small and light enough to rally on even assisted foot.. beyond my capabilities for sure.
It would be fun to try to design a spider-like bot that had a central hydro power pack, with lil fluid solenoids and .. yeah that would be pretty tough too. You would have to write a program to actuate the 'noids to make it walk, incorporate some sensors i'd imagine... not exactly running to the garage.
Fuck it though man don't let anyone try to shoot down your dreams, right?

[Bankraped]

Originally Posted by Steve_TPF

It wasn't a suggestion. I was pointing out that neither of those substances are combustible. A rocket engine requires an oxidiser and a propellant. You chose carbon dioxide and a non-flammable substance. Which further makes me doubt your knowledge and capabilities.

You might be able to make yourself an electro-shock glove (it's not that complicated), but stop deluding yourself about the battle suit.

BTW: I'm confidant that the bear-suit guy is a lot older and smarter than Black_Devil. It also took him years to make, and thousands of dollars. It didn't have hydraulic power, either.

He intends to fill baloons up with helium so he can get lift and to use co2 fire extinguishers for thrust.

[Steve_TPF]

It would require several weather-balloons to provide sufficient lift, and fire extinguishers are good for maybe a couple of minutes thrust. He would end up drifting out of control.

Balloons aren't steerable to any useful degree.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by Steve_TPF

It would require several weather-balloons to provide sufficient lift, and fire extinguishers are good for maybe a couple of minutes thrust. He would end up drifting out of control.

Balloons aren't steerable to any useful degree.

Not true when I lived in NC I remember this old guy had tied two weather balloons to a lawn chair and had floated up too high so he used a pellet gun to shoot one baloon and still was almost hit by a plane as the one weather balloon held him up lol. I'll look for a link if I can but it was in the 90s...