Secret Martial Arts Forms

[Atticus]

Hey again. This thread is about crazy secret martial arts junk. I have a friend who freeruns (CRAZY in shape). He does handstand pushups and climbs buildings and shit. He also wrestles. The thing is, this one day, he showed me a couple really sweet moves. Two of them were what I think were probably just basic wrestling or judo moves, but the last move was really weird. He wouldn't tell me where he learned it or who taught it to him, so maybe it was some weird CIA shit or something. Who knows. I was wondering if anyone knew any really effective secret or "forbidden" martial arts. I bet I got you guys curious about the move. I don't really know how to properly explain it, but here goes. You grab their wrist directly across from the arm your grabbing it with and place it on your shoulder. (It should already be there. That's why you selected this move.) You keep your hand on top of theirs and take your other hand. Keep it in the form you would use for a karate chop. Keep it loose. Keep your whole body loose. Put your hand (pinky down) on their arm about 2-4 inches (sorry U.K I'm sure you have a ruler somewhere) and move it downward while moving your elbow. It will come naturally with practice. You want to have your arm loose. You aren't pushing down on their arm. The desired result is that they will fall forward one one or both knees and you can knee them in the face for an almost too easy knockout.

[Inalbis]

The move you described its one of the most basic Aikido moves. Everytime someone say to us "show me something of aikido!", we say "grab our wrist" and then we execute it. Naturally the person usually ask us how to do it and we usually explain it... So can have learnt it anywere.

I wish I knew someone who makes freerun... but i guess no one knows what that is around here...

Israelly armed forces uses Krav Maga, and thats one of the most "secret" tecnics of combat... In United States you can learn it almost in every Gim. Many Police forces around the globe uses movements directly linked from Aikido or Hapkido, for theyre facility to imobilize someone.

The more secret martial organization that still exist today are the ninja clans, some still exists, but theyre not just focused on combat, theyre aim is stealth, poisoning, and any other guerrila tactics to avoid actual combat, but aniway, theyre tecnic have theyre peculiarity like any others, but in the end is not a secret tecnic of itself... its like... the real efficient parts of kung-fu if you remove all the unnecessary spinning and jumping, adding to it a hole lot of chep tricks and hidden weapons.

Something that were unfortunatly lost in time were the martial arts precticed in the midle age by the knights. They used a big sort of weapons and mastered all of them, and despite of comon belief that they were all grunts, they had combat styles and technics as complex as the ones of the samurai. Unfortunatly writting was not theyre best skill.

Everyting that can be made with youre body or with a weapon to surprise and injury another fellow human or an animal has been done already, all you can do are variations at most, and create youre own style with tecnics that are efficient and that youreself can pull off, like me, from all the martial arts I´ve learned, of course i don´t use them all in combat, i get from each the "best" moves and use them in necessity... If you call that "secret" or "forbidden" tecnic, well, than i guess i know one.

[Steve_TPF]

Thanks Inalbis. I haven't heard anything about "Crusader" fighting arts before. Do you know if they practised unarmed combat as well?
BTW the fights and weapons in "Troy" were brilliant. They must have done some research.

[Inalbis]

As I have mentioned really little is known about theyre tecnic of combat, but among the little that is known is the fact that they didn´t had extrict rules or codes regarding the combat itself, so they use cheap shots and low blows, and is known that they use every single part of theyre weapon and theyre armor to hit theyre enemies, like for example the sword grip, the hand guard (that could be laminated btw), chain of weapons like the morning starsand so on... And about armor and shields... have you ever seen some with spikes on them? Well, they werent just fashionable... So, I can only suppose that they trained unarmed combat, but they did used elbows, knees, legs, head and even chest blows during armed combat.

Troy combats are indeed good, but dont let youreself be fooled, they are work of ingenious and creative modern minds. But since you mentioned it, let me speak a little bit about gladiators. Gladiators are called that way because they used to fight with a gladius (I can´t be shure if the translation is correct... but in my language that makes perfect sense :-P ) , If you ever have the chance to hold one in youre hand, you will notice that they are extremly heavy, and its mass center is is very located in the handle grip... yep, wtf. That makes extremly exausting the job to raise it and lower it in youre oponent, striking him efficiently, but instead of doing that, it is stremly good to spin arround its own center, creating a very nice efect without risking anyone to be seriously injuried. Despite of comon belief, Gladiators never fought to death, they were like todays soccer, football or basket players, therefore really expensive. Theyre fights were almost coreographed and they didnt really meant to hurt each others, just to look good. So in movies when you see people spining gladius like in "Troy" or "Gladiator" in real wars, be shure that the directors had made little research, and the actors are wielding aluminium extra light swords.

Edit: I forgot to mention in my first post the military tecnics involving youre firearm, like youre rifle, providing it have or not a bayonet (wich Im not really a fan). The literal translation for what is learnt in the brazilian army would be "tecnics of combat in extreme proximity", however i´ve heard it being refered to as "CQB" combat... thou yes im aware what standart CQB means... those tecnics dont go for civilians probably because they dont have interest on it, its not forbiden or secret, and its learnt by anyone serving his theoreticly mandatory one year in regular army.

[Steve_TPF]

Yes I'm aware that movies use aluminium swords, and that the gladiator's combat was largely theatrical.
"Gladius" is latin for "sword", so it does not refer to a specific design. The roman sodier's sword was also called a gladius, and that was a military weapon, not a theatrical prop.
Re: the swords in "Troy", you will note that they were short and triangular, with the weight toward the handle. This would make them easier to spin.

[Inalbis]

This short and triangular sword is what I´ve been calling a gladius... If this is wrong please just act like all the times i spoke gladius i meant "short and triangular sword" :-)

Also I don´t remember details about the movie...

Thanks for the correction.

[Steve_TPF]

The triangular swords in "Troy" were used by the greeks and trojans. The gladius, used in "Gladiator", was the roman short sword. The blade was short and wide, with the edges parallel until a few inches from the point. It was used primarily for stabbing, as this was more effective when fighting from a sheild formation.
P.S there was some nifty spear-work in "Troy" as well.

[Inalbis]

Thanks for info.

Thruth in spear work... I can remember a passage when he used a part of the shield to support the spear while thrusting the back part... indeed good... but I can´t say too much about spears, and can´t really tell where those moves come from. And I fear we might be getting off topic :-)

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As we were speaking of the techniques of the Gladiators, do a tahoo search for "comhrac bas"