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Originally Posted by crazy white guy
If you need to ask... you shouldn't be using guns.
If you have the proper licenses you can get a .408. That will do just about anything you want if you rub it the right way.
If you are strapped for cash then a .30-06 long I think is what your looking for. I'm not sure but I have heard of 1 km shots with a 600$ rifle with a 200$ scope. Decent price, killer accuracy, lethal weight.
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No license needed for anything including .50cal browning semiauto athough some states they are banned but the SCOTUS Heller decision may change that. Larger than .50cal is considered a destructive device same as cannons, hand grenade etc.Though when I was kid prior to the GCA of '68' obsolete 20mm semiauto Lahtis AT rifles and ammo was available by mail order.
Since you havent inquired About training you have none? Again firearms training and particularly long range training isnt illegal and in fact is subsidized by The Director of Civilian marksmanship courtesy of a grant from congress dating back longer than most americans have been alive and from whom common US miitary ammo is available(30-06) inexpensively as well as the classic M1 garand/ M1 carbines. The question of a suitable rifle to achieve even 500m hits(the riflemans half mile) and 1000m requires a world of difference in equipment and talent/training.Consistently hitting even a 900m man size silouette takes far more than you can imagnie.I attended sniper school in'78' courtesy of the 18th ABN corps and an SF unit using state of the art for the time sniper weapons and sniper scopes along with the best training available at the time using selected applicants, phsychologically screened and also screened as minimum expert rifleman to begin with.Most had been shooting since childhood 5-7years of age and still given that level of talent ,training and equipment 900m was considered max effective range at the time. with near 25% failure rates either in classroom or range instruction and the same % of hits @ 900m,25% misses classwide at that range, a known range and the cream of the crop shooters
Then and today with some relatively minor improvements consistent hits beyond 600-800m was and is considering the effects of wind ,mirage,bullet drop,cheek weld, requires a very skilled shooter and even better spotter to achieve consistent hits.Sure there are evidences of some exceptional shooting by MC and ARMY snipers and with the dreaded .50cal barret, hits to 1800 m have been confirmed.But if you feel w/o extensive (read years of practice) combined with talent and eventually professional training your chances of a half mile shots are unilikely. And 1000m hits likely impossible unless you went to church and swore everlasting obedience to god.LOLBesides do you have the ranges needed to actually practice these shots?One thing to use reduced size targets to compenste for range its no substitute for actual wind deflection/mirage
Heres a good excercise if you have the room,get a 100meter tape and measure out 200/300.Then 500m man size silouettes and tell me do you think you have the vaguest chance of a hit?That just 1/2 of what you propose.The best rifleman in the army compete with open sights at this range and its w/o doubt exremely difficult
Unless theres alot more to this story what you seek is more of a quest than simply picking up suitable rifle.A good rifle won't make you a rifleman.Far be it from me to dissaude you in an interest in shooting! I applaud your interest if for the right reasons! i just think your sights are set a bit high for a beginner which is what I assume you are judging by your questions.Anyone like to challenge the veracity of my experiences be my guest your own ignorance will betray you for what you are.
"30-06 long" with "lethal weight" to beat the unfortunate victim to death should you miss? "30-06 long" That a caliber of your own devising I havent yet heard of?! ".408"(cheytac) a controlled caliber requiring a permit?Try to be factually correct before spoon feeding B.S.
Original poster,to see what your up against try googling FM 23-10 Sniper training likely if you search youll be able to downlad a copy to your files for $0.If starting fom scratch get yourself a good .22 bolt action rimfire as pratice pratice etc wil be your friend as will some professional instruction to learn basic techniques of muscle memory, breathing, trigger control sight alighnment,cheek weld and cosistency etc . Moving on to more capable firearms as your skill allows. At any rate if youve got some talent and are willing to learn I cant see why in few years you couldnt be capable of 600-even 900meter shots given medium price scope and rifle about $1000 slightly more in tomorrows $ in 7.62x51 or 308 or 30-06/7.62x63 both have adequate accuracy but the 7.62x51 has the advantage in devolopment over the '06'Savage making an excellent heavy barrel 7.62x51 tactical rifle($560) fully capable of 1000m hits given a good scope, right now the tasco super sniper 10x42 is the best buy for the $300.They made the Nimrod sniper scope for the Israeli army,nuff said!
PS if your state allows .50 cal browning MG round rifles(s most do save Kali and few other) there considerd like any other long weapon including a .22 rifle just as legal for sales purpose and state/fed law considers no difference between the 2.
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18th ABN CORPS
Marksmanship Training Unit
Sniper School
Ft Bragg,NC
ONE SHOT/ONE KILL ,grndpndr
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