Do you think you could get away with it?

[DeathToSociety]

Originally Posted by Core Entropy

You NEED someone in on it with you for an Alibi.

The police need to prove you're guilty, you don't need to prove you're innocent.

The pig idea will definitely work, how many of you have heard of Robert Pickton? He's a serial killer in Canada who happens to be a pig farmer.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Crown Counsel Derrill Prevett told the jury of evidence that was found on Pickton's property, including skulls cut in half with hands and feet stuffed inside. The remains of another victim were stuffed in a garbage bag in the bottom of a trash can and her blood stained clothing was found in the trailer in which Pickton lived. Part of one of the victim's jaw bone and teeth were found in the ground beside the slaughter house and a .22 calibre revolver with an attached dildo containing both his and a victim's DNA was in his laundry room. In a video taped recording played for the jury, Pickton claimed to have attached the dildo to his weapon as a makeshift silencer.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

* The items police found inside Pickton's trailer - A loaded .22 revolver with a dildo over the barrel and one round fired, boxes of .357 Magnum handgun ammunition, night-vision goggles, two pairs of faux fur-lined handcuffs, a syringe with three millilitres of blue liquid inside, and "Spanish Fly" aphrodisiac.
* A videotape of Pickton's friend Scott Chubb saying Pickton had told him a good way to kill a female heroin addict was to inject her with windshield-washer fluid. A second tape was played for Pickton, in which an associate named Andrew Bellwood said Pickton mentioned killing prostitutes by handcuffing and strangling them, then bleeding and gutting them before feeding them to pigs. However, defence lawyer Peter Ritchie said the jury should be skeptical of Chubb and Bellwood's credibility.
* Photos of the contents of a garbage can found in Pickton's slaughterhouse, which held some remains of Mona Wilson.

He was convicted for 6 murders of 49.
Why he failed:
-Talked to his friends about it
-Didn't feed all the remains to the pigs
-Left skulls and dismembered hand s and feet lying around

During the trial's first day, January 22, 2007, the Crown stated he confessed to forty-nine murders to an undercover police officer posing as a cell mate. The Crown reported that Pickton told the officer that he wanted to kill another woman to make it an even 50, and that he was caught because he was "sloppy"

Lots of interesting stuff in this, apparently you can use a dildo as a silencer, and it works on revolvers. You can kill a heroin junkie by injecting them with windshield-washer fluid.

[Lone Gunman]

How to get away with murder eh...

First of all if you can avoid it. But if you can't here are some tips.

1: Wear generic clothing as well as rubber gloves and something to cover face to ensure you drop no saliva or hair etc onto to body.

2: Do not kill a man in a public place... If possible do it in an abandoned building or rural area where no one visits.

3: Seal up the said room with plastic wrap and duct tape.

4: Chop the body up to save room.

5: dispose at a location where it wont be found.

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Sometimes a good kill is botched and improvisation is necessary. For example witnesses, if anyone sees you make sure you catch them too and take care of any loose ends.

Loose ends are what get most people caught. Also if you must kill someone make sure you do not have any previous bad history with that person or a close relationship.

If you have a previous history you are automatically exposed to the press and you will be named at the very least a person of interest. If this happens make up an alibi and hope they don't find anything.

Remember cops will lie to you and try to offer deals for a confession... They may even try to beat it out of you. Say nothing and get a good lawyer.
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While I won't confirm or deny any previous criminal activity I can say this, simple plans and being careful will ensure your freedom.... Just think about how many people go missing a year and are never found again.

[Draven]

Ok here is random hypothetical senario; a dude does something to another dude so the one dude wants me kill him pays me $10,000. We will say this dude is hard to get to basic crack head gang banger, lives in a house with 10 other guys all of them carry guns and so how do you get to lucky number 11 & not get caught?

Again poison is good, drug overdose etc. hang out get everyone high hit the mark up with something and walk away. Of course there is always less suttle burn down the house and snipe the mark when he runs out. But that means you'd have to plant the rifle on some other victim with motive and make sure the police find them to divert attention.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by DeathToSociety

The police need to prove you're guilty, you don't need to prove you're innocent.

Thats bull shit and I've been arrested and charged before. Yes, they have to prove guilt but you have to dis-prove any evidence of guilt which is basically the same thing as prove your innocence. Its a word game...

[DeathToSociety]

No its not bullshit, haven't you ever heard the term "innocent until proven guilty"? Dis-proving guilt is the same as proving innocence only when they actually have real evidence, but if the police pick you up for no reason you don't need to prove anything. If you don't have an alibi for the same time that a murder took place it doesn't matter unless they have anymore evidence, you can't be convicted for not having an alibi, well in the country I live in anyway. The reason you were charged is because they either had evidence or they tricked you into confessing or they planted evidence, which is it?

[Azrael21]

I am also thinking car wreckage place. Anyone seen pulp fiction? Lol.

You people talking about the pigs have watched hannibal too many times. It would work but i think it lacks style.

[yankee1231]

****DO NOT TRY ANYTHING IN THIS POST*****

Here are a couple great ways....


Get a glass of liquid syanide (sorry for spelling). Wait untill your guy goes to a bar. Make sure the syanide is in a bar glass. Act like a drunk and spill the drink on him. It only has to spill where it can leak through the clothing and touch his skin. Then it will be absorbed through his pores and he will die. Just leave after you spill the drink.

Another way is this....
Get a large knife and make a plaster mould out of it. Pour water into the mould and freeze it. Once frozen, take out the knife made of ice and put it into a small cooler filled with ice. Put the cooler in your car and follow the guy you wanna kill. Once you see a good opportunity, take out the knife, make sure you have gloves on, and stab him with the ice knife. After you stab him, you can just leave the knife in his body because once the cops find the body, the knife will have melted and there will just be water on him. *****Make sure you get rid of the knife after you make a mould of it.

[General Grim]

Originally Posted by yankee1231

****DO NOT TRY ANYTHING IN THIS POST*****

Here are a couple great ways....


Get a glass of liquid syanide (sorry for spelling). Wait untill your guy goes to a bar. Make sure the syanide is in a bar glass. Act like a drunk and spill the drink on him. It only has to spill where it can leak through the clothing and touch his skin. Then it will be absorbed through his pores and he will die. Just leave after you spill the drink.

Another way is this....
Get a large knife and make a plaster mould out of it. Pour water into the mould and freeze it. Once frozen, take out the knife made of ice and put it into a small cooler filled with ice. Put the cooler in your car and follow the guy you wanna kill. Once you see a good opportunity, take out the knife, make sure you have gloves on, and stab him with the ice knife. After you stab him, you can just leave the knife in his body because once the cops find the body, the knife will have melted and there will just be water on him. *****Make sure you get rid of the knife after you make a mould of it.

Cyanide poisoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Aqueous solutions of cyanides are not easily absorbed through the skin

Also you've never made an ice knife, nor does it work. It simply does not have the structural strength to penetrate flesh without snapping.

[yankee1231]

Also you've never made an ice knife, nor does it work. It simply does not have the structural strength to penetrate flesh without snapping.

When I say make a knife mould, I'm talking about a very large bowee knife or something at least that size. It would would have to be a big knife like that to work and the blade must be thick.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by DeathToSociety

No its not bullshit, haven't you ever heard the term "innocent until proven guilty"? Dis-proving guilt is the same as proving innocence only when they actually have real evidence, but if the police pick you up for no reason you don't need to prove anything. If you don't have an alibi for the same time that a murder took place it doesn't matter unless they have anymore evidence, you can't be convicted for not having an alibi, well in the country I live in anyway. The reason you were charged is because they either had evidence or they tricked you into confessing or they planted evidence, which is it?

How many times you been arrested? What law school did you attend and what Bar do you practice under?

Otherwise, yes burden of proof is bull shit. Here is why; they have to prove your guilty but what proof do they have? All that is needed is probable cause to arrest, probable cuase to believe you commited a crime. I was arrested because some girl who wanted me to have sex with her and I refused (underage and just plain nasty) so she said I gave her alcohol. You know what the probable cause for my arrest was my confession but in court there was no confession. Only the officers opinion as probable cause and between her word and his word that I confessed to him I was found guilty...

So now I'm sitting here typing this, and your telling me the same bull shit about burden of proof that my lawyer did. They have to prove your guilty but at the same time its up to you to prove otherwise because silence is an omision of guilt. The whole reason you have a right to due process of law is so that while the state has the burden to prove your guilt you have the burden to disprove the evidence and create a "shadow of doubt" which is basically proving your innocence.

If they can do that with a stupid contriubuting charge they can do that with murder charges, so if your gonna wack someone you gotta do it in a way you won't even get arrested or suspected of murder.

[Azrael21]

Cyanide smells VERY strongly of bitter almonds. Someone would most likely smell it. On second thought, its a bar, fill of smoke and whatnot, they might not smell it. Could work.

Hydrofluoric acid can dissolve metal though, like a knife.


"(Staring at the hole in the ceiling with Jesse)
Walter: I'm sorry, what were you asking me? Oh, yes, that stupid plastic container I asked you to buy. You see, hydrofluoric acid won't eat through plastic, it will however dissolve metal, rock, glass, ceramic. So there's that."

[Pyrotechnik]

hmmm this is a fairly simple concept and im not sure if anyones mentioned it yet but you get an icicle and then use it to shank your victim. then you throw it somewhere hot and (as John Madden would say) BOOM it melts, no fingerprints, only a pile of blood and water.

[Random]

Originally Posted by DeathToSociety

No its not bullshit, haven't you ever heard the term "innocent until proven guilty"? Dis-proving guilt is the same as proving innocence only when they actually have real evidence, but if the police pick you up for no reason you don't need to prove anything. If you don't have an alibi for the same time that a murder took place it doesn't matter unless they have anymore evidence, you can't be convicted for not having an alibi, well in the country I live in anyway. The reason you were charged is because they either had evidence or they tricked you into confessing or they planted evidence, which is it?

I am not sure how many times you have seen the inside of a courtroom, but my experience suggests to me that proof of innocence on the defence is just as important as proof of guilt on the offense. Victory in a court of law, particularly when a jury is involved, is not about having proof or evidence - it's about being convincing. If the defence can convince a jury that a defendant is innocent, it doesn't matter how much evidence there is in favour of the prosecution. Likewise to the contrary - if the prosecution can convince a jury that the defendant is guilty...

Regarding what to do with police, no, you don't need to prove anything. But if they decide they have enough of a case to charge you with a crime with intention to convict, they will.

[yankee1231]

Originally Posted by Pyrotechnik

hmmm this is a fairly simple concept and im not sure if anyones mentioned it yet but you get an icicle and then use it to shank your victim. then you throw it somewhere hot and (as John Madden would say) BOOM it melts, no fingerprints, only a pile of blood and water.

Like I said before, make a mould of a knife, put water in and freeze it. Icicles are not very sharp.

[Pyrotechnik]

Originally Posted by yankee1231

Like I said before, make a mould of a knife, put water in and freeze it. Icicles are not very sharp.

good point. i didnt read through EVERY post haha... but that is a good idea. in fact, you could even leave the icicle-knife in the dead body and when it melts from the own heat of the corpse, the knife will melt, but the only thing is that if the water doesnt evaporate, the police might see somethings up if theres too much water mixed with the blood

[Lone Gunman]

"When I say make a knife mould, I'm talking about a very large bowee knife or something at least that size. It would would have to be a big knife like that to work and the blade must be thick."

Still wouldn't work to well... Why go to all the trouble making an ice knife which would be highly unreliable no matter it's size when all that is needed is a syringe and a highly potent poison.

It's easy to make someone look like they've had a heart attack. As I have said before a small needle with a minute amount of poison that's hard to detect and a bath tub full of water is all you need.

Step 1: Prepare
Step 2: Make your kill
Step 3: Strip the body naked and place in in a bath tub full of water.... Leave the tap running as it will make it look like they had a heart attack in the middle of their bath.
Step 4: Leave and act casual telling no one of your exploits.

Why this works well is the water factor... Skin tightens up in water and starts to swell up. The tiny puncture left by the needle will simply close up... The hole is still there but can only be seen under microscope.

If you don't want to go through this much trouble putting a drop of something deadly into whatever they may be eating or drinking works well too.

[Draven]

I remember hearing about this guy who killed was killed and then the corpse blown up to cover all traces of the evidence. The murder was sloppy, .45 cal handgun and killed 4 people, was going for one. But the murder pull all the stuff together to make a small meth lab, then left everything burning the meth lab when boom a few hiurs later and left the cinder blocks the trailer was sitting on. Police wrote it off as a meth explosion and didn't even investigate anything else. Guy was caught when he got drunk and bragged about it, but the idea was sound...

[Pyrotechnik]

Originally Posted by Draven

I remember hearing about this guy who killed was killed and then the corpse blown up to cover all traces of the evidence. The murder was sloppy, .45 cal handgun and killed 4 people, was going for one. But the murder pull all the stuff together to make a small meth lab, then left everything burning the meth lab when boom a few hiurs later and left the cinder blocks the trailer was sitting on. Police wrote it off as a meth explosion and didn't even investigate anything else. Guy was caught when he got drunk and bragged about it, but the idea was sound...

ooo thats good o.O random but this one guy once bragged about being the zodiac killer 15 years after the last murder but his bragging wasnt reported until he was dead.