Fighting at school

[bloodlusta]

Find someone to spare with, u you will get better much faster. try doing "dry" sparing. this is were you move slower than you would in a fight and the contact is very light. it will teach you control and also help you think about what your next move will be. this allows it to become reflex in a fight.

[master lurtz]

You are very ignorant saying TLD is usless. It is used by the korean army for gods sake, Im shure they wouldnt train their soilders in a 'usles' martial art. It was origonally developed by genral choi for use in the army! It was built entirley for practical uses. Just because you think that your martial art/fighting style is ultimate doesnt mean it is, or that other martial arts are usless.

EDIT: That was at Beyond by the way

[bloodlusta]

Everyone likes to think their martial art is the best. there is no one "best" martial art. all have their advantages and their disadvantages. Im sick of people insulting people who do a different form of martial art.

[VillageIdiot]

No martial art is useless (even soft MA's eg tai chi), and it's a damn shame that TKD has a pussy reputation due to its heavy 'sportification' in the US. We learn a pick n' mix of different things.

No matter what hard MA you practise, at very least your bones strengthen, your reflexes improve and your power increases. Grappling-orientated MA's (eg judo) tend to improve strength, balance and spacial awareness, while strike-orientated MA's (TKD, kickboxing) improve speed, reflex and power. With a mix, you can improve all six. There's a big difference between strength and power. Power enables explosive, quick movements, strength is ability to manipulate large loads. Weightlifters don't necessarily hit hard, just difficult to stop, as there's a lot of muscle and more importantly weight behind the swing.

Originally Posted by master lurtz

...once you reach black belt you start learning moves that instate a '1 hit kill'.

Never heard of anything like this... if you strike hard enough plenty of moves can be 'one hit kills'. Do you mean breaking vital bones, snapping necks etc? The 'two finger death touch' crap isn't associated with TKD.

[master lurtz]

Originally Posted by VillageIdiot

Never heard of anything like this... if you strike hard enough plenty of moves can be 'one hit kills'. Do you mean breaking vital bones, snapping necks etc? The 'two finger death touch' crap isn't associated with TKD.

Well my master allways goes on about them, like the auxalliry nerve and other places, baisicly you just learn about human anatomy and places on the body that are substansually less protected in more detail so you can become more 'deadly' in a self defence situation.... Its not like 'death touch or anything, thats hollywood, largley.

[Mitchell_Leary]

I've lost all faith in martial arts systems. I've seen too many "black belts" get their asses beat BADLY by common street fighters and bikers in bars and prison yards. They have all this confidence programmed into them and think that now that they have the "black belt" they're invulnerble.

There are extremely bad-ass individuals in this world that all the martial arts training in the world cannot prepare you for. You can throw every move you have at them and nothing works. I've seen it happen.

I knew a guy who owned a string of karate schools and was supposedly some high ranking black belt. He regularly won competitions and was very, very good. Well, two guys with baseball bats jumped him outside of his front door one morning and put him into a coma.

Martial arts schools are like modeling agencies, they're selling you a dream. Actually you've sold yourself this dream before you even walk through the door. Movies and TV have convinced you that this is the answer to your problems.
If you want to learn how to be tough join the military, not a karate school.

[VillageIdiot]

No, that's how you learn to be dead o.o;;

[jrly]

@ Mitchel Leary
1. There is a big difference between a street fight and a MA competition, and if the person is smart they will know this and practice street fighting to know how to use their martial art in an environment besides a controlled tournament.
2. You said that there were two people who jumped the karate black belt, so I ask is Karate one of the MAs that stresses defense against multiple fighters,
3. And they also had baseball bats, so is Karate one of the MAs that stresses fighting and defense with and against weapons.
4. I would have to say that people say that certain MAs suck but that is in the US where they have been diluted and maybe the black belts got their belts only through and not through skill, but you go up to a karate master in Japan and tell him it sucks, see how long that you are still up and awake.

And nice one VillageIdiot.

[master lurtz]

At the nationals tournament today (got silver) I was talking to a 3rd dan and ge said that NZ and Europe had the best (self defence orented) martial arts, even better than in Korea, and other asain countries. I dont know if its true, but he does know his stuff.
Some other things he told me was that there are 2 hundred and somthing 'pressure points' on the body, 69 are 'vital points' (will cause bad pain or possibly death) and there are 4 that even a softish blow will cause immediate death.
He also told me that it takes aprox 14 pounds per square inch to break a human skull as apposed to 16 to break a coconut.

Mitchel Leary, Karate is one of the martial arts that put less focus on self defence, I tried it for a year once and was not very impressed by what they taught. Even so I think that anyone below 2nd dan would be hard pressed to come out best after being ambushed by two people with baseball bats.

[Beyond]

Originally Posted by master lurtz

You are very ignorant saying TLD is usless. It is used by the korean army for gods sake, Im shure they wouldnt train their soilders in a 'usles' martial art. It was origonally developed by genral choi for use in the army! It was built entirley for practical uses. Just because you think that your martial art/fighting style is ultimate doesnt mean it is, or that other martial arts are usless.

EDIT: That was at Beyond by the way

Wow, the Korean army uses it. When's the last time they were in a war and actually doing something? Never.

[master lurtz]

I repeat myself;

Originally Posted by master lurtz

Im shure they wouldnt train their soilders in a 'usles' martial art. It was origonally developed by genral choi for use in the army! It was built entirley for practical uses.

I dont see how having the power to break concrete, smash boards, lightning raflexes, the controll and accuracy to hit a apple out of somones mouth with a reverse turning kick, the knowlage of the best places to hit, and the stamonar to sparr for 20-30 minutes, and the knowlage of locks and holds could possibly not be benifical, but each to his own, you obvously have made your mind up about martial arts. I just hope you have fun trying to defend yourself if you ever get attacked (god forbid)

[VillageIdiot]

We're not doubting Beyond's strength or skill here as we have no idea as to that.

Black belt is a sign of knowledge and experience, not the ability to kick people's ass. I know a 12 year old girl who holds a first dan, and it's not bullshit McDojo-ery because she is incredibly mature and comes in seven hours a week to teach other kids.

People view bb as some sort of final goal, once you get it that's it for you, you can now pwn everybody. I've seen people get their bb then never turn up for class again. Not so. I can always get better, my instructor can always get better, and his master can always get better. I think that's the difference between 1st and 2nd dan, the fact that you stuck around to work hard and help your fellow classmates even though you already got your bb.

At the nationals tournament today (got silver) I was talking to a 3rd dan and ge said that NZ and Europe had the best (self defence orented) martial arts, even better than in Korea, and other asain countries.

It's pretty good here, but they train damn hard in Korea, at a very high standard. Have you seen technical breaking videos? No matter how self-defense oriented their training is, if you can do that stuff with your legs you can fuck someone up.

This one is mainly hand-brick focused but there is a nice 540 hook brick break in the middle.

[Beyond]

Originally Posted by master lurtz

I repeat myself;


I dont see how having the power to break concrete, smash boards, lightning raflexes, the controll and accuracy to hit a apple out of somones mouth with a reverse turning kick, the knowlage of the best places to hit, and the stamonar to sparr for 20-30 minutes, and the knowlage of locks and holds could possibly not be benifical, but each to his own, you obvously have made your mind up about martial arts. I just hope you have fun trying to defend yourself if you ever get attacked (god forbid)

Like I've said, I've competed in a striking art and it is my bread and butter but it's never ideal to just start punching/kicking someone in a fight. The liability and lawsuit possibilities go through the roof.

[jrly]

Originally Posted by Beyond

Wow, the Korean army uses it. When's the last time they were in a war and actually doing something? Never.

South Korea is at war with North Korea, though I don't believe there is much fighting, but it doesn't matter whether there is actually fighting because they still practice and could probably kick the average citizen's ass. And have you ever seen a Korean soldier use the karate that they are trained because it could be completely different than what is commonly taught in the US

[VillageIdiot]

Originally Posted by jrly

And have you ever seen a Korean soldier use the karate that they are trained because it could be completely different than what is commonly taught in the US

heh, karate

[officer_cocknuckles]

The greatest advice I have ever been given for fighting is to never fight unless you are right.
If you go into a fight knowing you are fighting for the right reasons, you will NOT lose. No matter the size or strength of your enemy. I am very scrawny, yet I have beaten the living shit out of many a toughguy, because he was fighting for the wrong reasons. Also, if it comes down to it, and you just need to put him on the ground, hit him as hard as you can in the clavicle. It is the bone on the front of your shoulder next to your neck. It is very easy to break, (about 20lbs of force), and it causes immense pain for the enemy. He will go down on the ground, and likely cry. Plus, it heals itself within weeks. So you can do it again. I have tried this before at school, and I never got suspended for it, because the principle was so damn confused as to what I did to the guy. He was also surprised, because the kid was twice the size of me. Just always remember, avoid fighting until it is 100% necessary.

[master lurtz]

Originally Posted by VillageIdiot

It's pretty good here, but they train damn hard in Korea

Master D got his first dan in a year training with the korean army, they train every day for 4+ hours.

Originally Posted by officer_cocknuckles

If you go into a fight knowing you are fighting for the right reasons, you will NOT lose

..... unles its Bruce Lee...... or somone who knows how to fight well...... or somone who also belives they are fighting for the right reasons..... etc.... you'd be suprised the difference half an hour a day on a havy punching bag will make.

[VillageIdiot]

Originally Posted by officer_cocknuckles

If you go into a fight knowing you are fighting for the right reasons, you will NOT lose.

Lol wut?

Motivation helps but it's not a guarantee of victory by any means whatsoever. What if they think they're fighting for the right reasons? What if they have a weapon? What if they can pick you up with one finger and throw you across a room?

[Oi! PunkRocker]

Originally Posted by officer_cocknuckles

hit him as hard as you can in the clavicle. It is the bone on the front of your shoulder next to your neck. It is very easy to break, (about 20lbs of force), and it causes immense pain for the enemy. He will go down on the ground, and likely cry. Plus, it heals itself within weeks.

From personal experience it does not heal within weeks. Try about 2 months just for the pain to subside. I broke mine over a year ago and it still ain't right