The Kill School

[Draven]

OK here is a hypothetic situation I was thinking of using for a short story; so I am asking for a probablity factor. Here is the idea there is "school for assassins" basically a person who shows promise is approached and told about a place where said individuals disposition could result in getting paid allot of cash. But an investment is required, say $2500 dollars. If you show at a certain place with said money you are blindfolded and transported to a different location, your given a uniform (black hoody and sweats) and for 1 to 3 month you are taught about camouflage, combatives, knife-fighting, pistols, rifles, assault rifles, disguises, poisons, explosives, boopy traps, basic psychology & surveillance/counter-surveillance techniques. (kinda like basic training but without the marching)

Said individual is then released home and given a prepaid phone and told to never give anyone the number. Then as "jobs" become available a person is called based on their testing, personality and aptitudes toward certain skills during their time in training. I was also thinking of intigrating a rank structure for the organization, but thats iffy. Basic idea is a Borune Identity Program ran by the mophia or some such none government group.

Here is my questions...
1- Does this should probable, not urban legand probable but do-able?
2- Of course individuals would be recruited from "criminal youths" and orphaned kids who would be easily attracted to the money and fantasy of working for a shadowy group of killers. Sound about right?
3- Should I include a rank structure based of successful hits, thus inspiring a level competition and survival of the fittest mindset?
4- Any other thoughts you might want to add?

[Azrael21]

It sounds probable, you would have to be very careful though. Where would it be started? And where would they be trained? Old warehouse, or out in the woods somewhere? Would they be encouraged to be aggressive amongst themselves? Or would they be kept separate?

The only thing i wonder about is, just how far would you push them? Would it be like kill someone in town?

Its an interesting concept.

[McDOOM]

Hmm, could their be any correspondence between this and the training of actual spies?

[Draven]

Originally Posted by Azrael21

It sounds probable, you would have to be very careful though. Where would it be started?

I'm basing the story in different locations; NY, LA and a few small towns and even a few locations in Mexico...

Originally Posted by Azrael21

And where would they be trained? Old warehouse, or out in the woods somewhere?

Different locations; never use the same place more then twice a year, minimum 9 months apart.

Originally Posted by Azrael21

Would they be encouraged to be aggressive amongst themselves? Or would they be kept separate?

They be intigrated into a small team (three man), mainly those they had trained with (6 to 12 persons per class) even though they would primarily operate as a single person. During training all instructors would wear masks so that no one could finger anyone if compromised.

Originally Posted by Azrael21

The only thing i wonder about is, just how far would you push them? Would it be like kill someone in town?

Of course, low level hitters would be local, higher level hitters would be work outside of town and even the country. Though the pay grades would be vastly different. Though most hitters would do only one or two hits a year

Also here was the idea for my rank structure idea.
Soldier; 10 hits or less, $10,000 or less...
Professional; 25 hits or less, $50,000 or less...
Expert; 50 hits or less, $150,000 or less...
Handler; over 50 hits (no mistakes), gets cut of each contract...
Handlers get charged with starting up new schools in different locations or taking over older schools as there Handlers retire.

Originally Posted by McDOOM

Hmm, could their be any correspondence between this and the training of actual spies?

Define correspondence? Is this like the training of actual spies; somewhat from what I've read in the biographies of real espionage agents kind of. Though most actual spies are recruited from former military back grounds; the characters in this story would be recuited from the civilian population.

[S7@1T3D]

Originally Posted by Azrael21

Or would they be kept separate?

I woul;d keep seperate so if one goes awol another can chase him down without the awol one knowing he was being targeted.

[Bahr]

I dont think thats going to be a very short story. I'd go for novel if I were you. But id read it. When you start writing it, send us some previews.

[McDOOM]

Originally Posted by Draven

Define correspondence? Is this like the training of actual spies; somewhat from what I've read in the biographies of real espionage agents kind of. Though most actual spies are recruited from former military back grounds; the characters in this story would be recuited from the civilian population.

Correspondence as in similarity to how spies are actually trained and how your story portrays the training. It could also be fun to write the story, then see if it was in any way, similar to real life.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by McDOOM

Correspondence as in similarity to how spies are actually trained and how your story portrays the training. It could also be fun to write the story, then see if it was in any way, similar to real life.

Well my factual influences are my knowledge of military training, WW2 spy biographies, and cult of the Hasan (the assassins). I want it to be somewhat realistic and not James Bondish...

[Beyond]

Originally Posted by Draven

Well my factual influences are my knowledge of military training, WW2 spy biographies, and cult of the Hasan (the assassins). I want it to be somewhat realistic and not James Bondish...

Can you recommend any good WW2 spy related reading to me?

[Delirious]

I like the concept of assasin school. It has been done before, and opens a variety of options as far as the plot goes.

Consider this as a novel. It would take a lot of effort and may not produce any profit, but would still be rewarding. Perhaps something along the lines of posting a new chapter on the forums every once so often would be interesting.

[bloodlusta]

What kind of targets would they be going for? random people or actual targets moving towards some greater goal? I like the idea of i being run by the G8 nations to enforce their will.

Also what if they mess up or the cops notice a patter of attacks that would lead the to believe the attacks were related?

Also something similar when on in NZ. a Maori radical set up train camping in the bush to train young Maori to "kill Pakeha and give Aotearoa back to it's Tangata Whenua". It was shut down by armed police and some people protested about it! It trained them in what you have stated

[Draven]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

What kind of targets would they be going for? random people or actual targets moving towards some greater goal? I like the idea of i being run by the G8 nations to enforce their will.

Also what if they mess up or the cops notice a patter of attacks that would lead the to believe the attacks were related?

Well presumably the organziation is pretty mercenary; working for the highest bidder. But, some contracts have personal agendas within the organization. Those who prove themselves as enlighten to the organization "secret agenda" and secret origions. As for the police they simply make them an offer they can not afford to refuse and if they do they kill them and blame it on someone else.

Basic plan of assassination would work like this. Your in the mophia and a rival family is pressing into your territory but your family lacks the power to start a war. So you hire the organization to deal with the problem; the organization takes out that family's head and blames said hit on the families 3rd or 4th down the food chain. While said family is devided you take those displaced mobsters into your fold and start your war.

Cops pressing to close to your meth lab and you have the money hire a pro, cop dies and rival gang gets blamed. Since the cops always get their man they always asume the case is closed. lol If they get close they wake with dagger plunged into a pillow beside their head and some cash to just walk away the message is clear enough right? You keep digging some crack head kills you with a brand new glock he found in the trash.

And of course the organization will be a tool of some illuminati type secret society lol.

[Psychonaut]

I'm guessing that to properly train a recruit it would take more than 3 months. And the organisation would need to fabricate cover stories for the trainee's disappearance.

Perhaps basic training isnt too far off the mark. You dont want training but you want self discipline. As a substitute for marching, how about maintenance of constantly varying (as a part of the disguise classes) to a perfectionistic standard?

Maybe training should also include interrogation/torture resistance?

1; Not probable, but entirely possible.

2; You don't want criminal youths. No records or police encounters. And you don't want recruits that are attracted by fantasy.

3; Rank structure based on a composite of number of kills, time with agency, adhesion to clients/organisation's specifications to assassination parameters, etc.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by Beyond

Can you recommend any good WW2 spy related reading to me?

I haven't forgot you either,

The Encyclopedia of Esponage Vol 1 & 2
Shadow Warriors of Nakano
On Intelligence
MI6: 50 years of history
The Ultimate Spy Book
The Secret History of the KGB

[Draven]

Originally Posted by Psychonaut

I'm guessing that to properly train a recruit it would take more than 3 months. And the organisation would need to fabricate cover stories for the trainee's disappearance.

Perhaps basic training isnt too far off the mark. You dont want training but you want self discipline. As a substitute for marching, how about maintenance of constantly varying (as a part of the disguise classes) to a perfectionistic standard?

Maybe training should also include interrogation/torture resistance?

1; Not probable, but entirely possible.

2; You don't want criminal youths. No records or police encounters. And you don't want recruits that are attracted by fantasy.

3; Rank structure based on a composite of number of kills, time with agency, adhesion to clients/organisation's specifications to assassination parameters, etc.

Ah but criminal youth serve a specific need, the need for disposable operatives. You only need a direct their natural dispositions and the same with them teens who can be lured into a fanasy of belonging to something great then themselves; the military and most street gangs usually use the same methodology.

As for discipline; discipline would be taught through said combatives training and combat drills. Said disappearances of "disadvantaged youths" could easily be disguised as taking part in a teen boot camp or simply running away for a time. They return a bit more disciplined and allot more skilled.

Plus my docurine for said basic training begins with Hell Week (a 5 day) period of constant physical training and team building exercises said recruits get no sleep for the first 48 hours and hours of rest on the third day followed by another 48 hours without sleep. They get two 8 hour training days dealing with physical fittness and camouflage and firearm maintence. After that the recruits get 6, 12 hour training days a week and one day for rest.
Every training day will begin with breakfast and then an hour of physical training followed by 2 hours of unarmed combatives training then to whatever areas of study follows that training day.

Week 1:
Hell Week
Week 2:
Camouflage & Pistol Marksmanship
Week 3:
Pistol Marksmanship
Week 4:
Intro Disguises & Rifle Marksmanship
Week 5:
Rifle Marksmanship
Week 6:
Disguises Indepth & Poison Application
Week7:
Poison Formulae & Booby Traps
Week 8:
Explosives Theory & Safety
Week 9:
Improvised Explosives
Week 10:
Knife-Fighting & Ambush Methods
Week 11:
basic (applied laymen) psychology & surveillance/counter-surveillance techniques.
Week 12:
Academic Testing: Psychology, Poisons & Explosives formulae and physics.
Skill Testing; brewing poisons, building booby traps, biulding improvised explosives, marksmanship ranges and disguises.
Field Testing: Recruits are taked to a location and given information on how the hit is to be conducted, said recruit is sent to work failure means death and success means graduation. Targets are usually criminal members of society whom a violent end will be dismissed by society at large.

[Slathe]

You're time lines fubared. That's WAY to much technical crap to be learned to point were is applicable in a high stress environment let alone applicable at all. You're suggesting that an average individual is going to learn knife fighting, probably escrima, poisons, pyrotechnics and other such chemistry for explosive and flammables, advanced first aid, electronic circuitry, urban combat, marksmanship, discipline, obedience, etc. etc. etc. to a advanced degree all in 3 months?

For Marine grunts basic combat training starts with 3 months in boot camp, then moves on to 6 that's right SIX months of SOI training. Just to continue on into the fleet and continuously do work ups and other special training.... So add that up, to be a effective basic grunt you need 9 months of training.

Now as far as secret assassin training camp... Sure it's possible. Just not a 3 months crash course, other wise we'd all be highly trained lethal assassins that can run a mile and half before our hands start shaking and be wondering how we know that...

[Draven]

Originally Posted by Slathe

You're time lines fubared. That's WAY to much technical crap to be learned to point were is applicable in a high stress environment let alone applicable at all. You're suggesting that an average individual is going to learn knife fighting, probably escrima, poisons, pyrotechnics and other such chemistry for explosive and flammables, advanced first aid, electronic circuitry, urban combat, marksmanship, discipline, obedience, etc. etc. etc. to a advanced degree all in 3 months?

For Marine grunts basic combat training starts with 3 months in boot camp, then moves on to 6 that's right SIX months of SOI training. Just to continue on into the fleet and continuously do work ups and other special training.... So add that up, to be a effective basic grunt you need 9 months of training.

Now as far as secret assassin training camp... Sure it's possible. Just not a 3 months crash course, other wise we'd all be highly trained lethal assassins that can run a mile and half before our hands start shaking and be wondering how we know that...

I said knife fighting not knife based martial arts, I never said anything about electronic circuitry, first aid, urban combat training. I said they'd learn explosive theory; I can explain explosive theory in one paragraph more so improvised explosives comes down to pipe bombs, molotov cock tails and thermite.

Lets go over the list again;
1) camouflage; basicly which color patterns work in what environment & movement techniques (low crawl, high crawl, cross step & slide along walls).
2)combatives, military style hand to hand: http://www.fightsciences.com/images/...IENCES.COM.pdf
3) knife-fighting, military Docture of basic sentry removal: http://www.fightsciences.com/images/...IENCES.COM.pdf
4) pistols, cleaning, aiming and firing
5) rifles, cleaning, sighting and marksmanship (including scopes)
6) assault rifles, maintainance, sighting and marksmanship
7) disguises, very basic hair dyes, basic cosmetics and clothing pattern
8) poisons, nicotine, cyanide, a few poisonious mushrooms and of course a discription of poisonious snakes.
9) explosives, thermite, basic pipe bomb comcepts and molotov style fire bombs, and how to comstruct a wireless detonator from a handheld radio or cell phone (not hard)
10) boopy traps, puji-stake trap, dead fall trap, a reverse nail trap, the shot shell "mine" and basic trip wire detonator.
11) basic psychology; again not that hard;
Social, Emotional and Psychological Manipulation
Social, Emotional and Psychological Manipulation
Social, Emotional and Psychological Manipulation
Social, Emotional and Psychological Manipulation
12) surveillance/counter-surveillance techniques; Again not that hard;
Surveillance/Counter-Surveillance:
1) Mini-vans are best for surveillance. Get tinted glass so you can sit in the back, virtually unnoticed, most anywhere. I like the older mini-vans, like the Caravans, as they are more nimble and blend in better (they're everywhere)than newer ones.
2) Stay on the vehicle's bumper when tailing in the city, and allow a car between you as a buffer in slower areas. There are too many stoplights, stop signs and traffic in the city making it easy lose the tail.
3) Lack of dew on a vehicle during morning hours could indicate it was moved sometime that night.
4) Verify address by looking at the mailbox for a name or peeking at mail if it's sticking out.
5) Determine whether residence is a single or multifamily home by counting # of electric meters.
6) While tailing, the person stops i.e. in front of a house- you (as cover) continue past, turn into an empty driveway as if you belong there. Don't lose sight of person.
7) Take detailed notes via pen & paper or voice recorder. Write times, make & plate of any vehicles there, any vehicle movement, anyone showing up, etc. Good notes are crucial for yourself and for the report you give to the client.
8) Use mirror or glass to watch a target through reflection, can also use to see if someone is following you.
9) Pretending to walk into a building, then turning in the opposite direction to follow a suspect or exiting a car while the driver continues to keep going allows you to double to trail a suspect from a different direction or to find a possible tail of your own.
10) Stakeouts can run several hours and occur in non-optimal situations i.e. no convenience store nearby, so keep a roll of toilet paper and some snacks in your vehicle at all times.
11) Anytime you feel you are being followed double back on your trail to see if you are followed.
12) Disguises don't require you to be a master of disguise, they simply camouflage you in a urban setting. The best disguises are those that do not draw attention; most people avoid looking at the handicapped or homeless or ignore maintainance workers and the lower class (poor).

Not that hard... Even in the Bourne movies Jason Born didn't use a great deal of overly technical skills, these guys are going to be trained to the bare minimum. Not of course at higher pay grades the get additional training, but each one is going to be give a basic frame work and then told to expand it however they see fit. So each will have their special skill sets that build on that basic foundation. The principles of marksmanship are the stable position, proper sight picture, controlled breathing and a slow steady sqeeze of the trigger.

Also they aren't Marines nor do they need the extensive training of the Marines. A marine or any soldier has first aid, physical training, combatives, bayonet, small teams battle drills, land navigation, patrol formation, constructing a defensive position (hasties, fox holes and trenches), hand and arm signals, map reading, basic reporting, security and wide range of weapons M4/M16, AT4, TOW missile systems, etc.