easiest acquired gun????

[VillageIdiot]

Tec-9s are neat, but you wouldn't want one that badly. They're made of cheap polymer. I don't know about them being worse than junkguns, but they're not the best buy.

[bloodlusta]

What would you use the gun for any way? Fun, target shooting, protection, armed robbery or what?

[crazy white guy]

tec-9's are only good for their intimidation factor. They are inaccurate and have a low rate of fire. A pistol of the same price will have much better accuracy and will not have much less of a rate of fire if its a gas reloader. If you want to get one, you either need to get friends that are well connected or fill out the paperwork and buy a semi auto version and then a conversion kit for 60 - 300$.

[FerretBone]

Originally Posted by crazy white guy

tec-9's are only good for their intimidation factor. They are inaccurate and have a low rate of fire. A pistol of the same price will have much better accuracy and will not have much less of a rate of fire if its a gas reloader. If you want to get one, you either need to get friends that are well connected or fill out the paperwork and buy a semi auto version and then a conversion kit for 60 - 300$.

Wrong that convertion would be free. illegal, but free. You just need a file.

If you must have a "tec-9", and you want fullauto without buying one legally, then you are looking for a KG-9(tec-9). Its the first simi auto version of the MP-9. Basicly an open bolt tec-9.
The cool thing about the KG-9 is that it was open bolt, and stupid easy to convert. Hell even after normal wear and tear the shitty things usally begin to fire fullauto on their own.

You can buy one from gun shows from $600 to $900. If you look closely at the trigger, you should be able to figure out how simple it would be to convert to fullauto. This was the weapon that started all the rumors about fileing down the trigger of a firearm for fullauto. Except with this firearm it was true.

[Timmy]

The easiest is a DIY gun just bin it afterwards
Doing Freedom: Making a Paper Shotgun

[crazy white guy]

Wrong that convertion would be free. illegal, but free. You just need a file.

Neat. I have an e-book on the topic that I never got around to reading. Sorry for the newbishness.

[willi-wurm]

haha tec 9s. guys. get a shotgun, its so simple! and if you are going to an unregistered gundealer, the bigger the gun, the less likely it has been used in crime, as it wouldnt be practical. i have one question though. couldnt you remove a serial code?

[VillageIdiot]

Scratched-out or melted-out serial codes are a big red light.

[crazy white guy]

Yep. In canada, a post 1986 gun without a serial number (or 1880ish for non-autos) will be taken away to be melted or deactivated and sold. I think its 1 year min sentence for it too.

[FerretBone]

Originally Posted by willi-wurm

haha tec 9s. guys. get a shotgun, its so simple! and if you are going to an unregistered gundealer, the bigger the gun, the less likely it has been used in crime, as it wouldnt be practical. i have one question though. couldnt you remove a serial code?

Yes you can. But know this, newer firearms serial numbers are pressed in by machine in layers. If you file it off, it will be invisable to the naked eye. The police can still extract the number though. They have some cheimcal ( i cant remember the name) that they can brush over the area where the number was. Then it would show the serial number. Something about the different layers from being pressed, and permantly changing the density in the metal of the reciever all the way through the wall.
I have a friend in my troop who was a Chicago police officer and told me the whole process but i've forgot the details.
Just remember, if the numbers where carved into the firearm, then removing the serial number would be permant. If it was pressed in, then it can still be extracted.

[willi-wurm]

and.... if you did the opposite? instead of stratching it away, filling it up with molten metal?

[VillageIdiot]

Originally Posted by FerretBone

Yes you can. But know this, newer firearms serial numbers are pressed in by machine in layers. If you file it off, it will be invisable to the naked eye. The police can still extract the number though. They have some cheimcal ( i cant remember the name) that they can brush over the area where the number was. Then it would show the serial number. Something about the different layers from being pressed, and permantly changing the density in the metal of the reciever all the way through the wall.

I saw that on a TV show - probably Bones. Good show.

[hidn_shadows]

if I was going to (illegally obtain) a 12 gauge shotgun, any kind, preferably pump, where would be the best place to *cough steal* one? empty patrol car? neighbor's house?

[crazy white guy]

Originally Posted by hidn_shadows

if I was going to (illegally obtain) a 12 gauge shotgun, any kind, preferably pump, where would be the best place to *cough steal* one? empty patrol car? neighbor's house?

Try my idea. Its a lot less jail time for you. Walk into a hunting lodge or similar with a fake ID and ask around for a shot gun. Make small talk and make it look like you are the age you say you are and that you know what your doing. Nobody would question it If I did it. My cousin (is 23) did the same thing on the east coast and had a cheap .30-06 on his second trip out.

[bloodlusta]

Do not steal from the pigs! Never commit crime agist them! they will always try to track you down harder if it was them who suffered the loss. Most farmers keep their guns in the shed you could try their but watch out for dogs.

[Vallen]

i wouldn't advise stealing guns from people. usually they'll be happy to blast your ass if they catch you.

[bloodlusta]

And that would mean you die an ironic death (the worst kind)

[hidn_shadows]

okay. so, what would be the easiest gun for a kid for self defense if they live in a bad neighberhood? preferably shotgun?

[crazywhiteguy]

Originally Posted by hidn_shadows

okay. so, what would be the easiest gun for a kid for self defense if they live in a bad neighberhood? preferably shotgun?

Guns aren't for kids. If you live in a bad neighborhood, your best bet is to have a pump 12g at home. If your thinking about having one for protection outside of your house, you'll probably be looking at jail time within your near future. The reason the 12g is so good is that nobody thinks twice about running from a man wielding a shotgun. If you had a pistol, the robber might think something along the lines of "I bet I could get to him before he got a second round off." With a shot gun, there is no need for a second round, the guy looking don the barrel will know that.

[oldtimer]

Originally Posted by Vallen

im pretty sure firing slugs though a unrifled barrel isn't safe or good for the barrel i could be wrong though.

Ask a Gunsmith, Most slugs are smaller then the diameter then the barrel "sabot" and surrounded by a buffer to allow passage, solid slugs are not solid but hallow in the back and rifled on the outside therareticaly to spin by forced air as it fires, rifled barrels are best for accuracy.that being said, slugs are safe in a smoth bore.

[oldtimer]

buy you desired firearm from a privite sale, dont register it in your name. you now have a unregisterd gun. just remember that this gun can be traced to him, unless he purchased it the same way. the more owners of any said gun that did not get registered is harder to trace. Blackpowder guns are not required to be registerd in most states. Antique guns fall into this catagory. You can buy a parts kit for almost any military gun minus receiver. then again there are websites that sell blank receivers,and others that sell the template to show you all the holes that need to be drilled and taped. this again is illegal unless lisanced to do so. Last alturnitive is to aquire the receiver, this is the main frame of any gun. then simply buy the rest of the parts. assembly of most guns can be found on the inernet.and you better be good with tools or you could blow your hand off.

[oldtimer]

stealing any firearm is a realy stupied idea, it carries a mandatory 5 year sentance with no parole, Plus what other chrges they can dream up. Farmers, Forget it, Most if not all have more then one gun. One of my friends is a pig farmer, carrys a 44. mag everywhere on his ranch. a 22 and a SKS in the barn, one big ass stiletto by the barn door. a 300 winchester mag at the back door to his house. And his wife is even more armed when he's not home. there's dog's, live stock that make all kinds of noise when there is strangers around. and his friends and fellow farmers are just as equipted. And they have a habet of looking out for each other. try a privite seller. I cant stress it enough that stealing a gun is asking for trouble. I did a nickel for stealing a 38 from a dead guy. I found him dead in his house, took the gun. The cops descovered him knew he was my friend, asked me if Id seen him lately. I said no. But my freshly snuffed out cigerett buts at his house gave me away. that and the fact I had droped a box of shells going out the door didnt help. And not reporting the body ect ect. Long storie, But thats the skinny. Buy your gun, But take note, You buy a stolen gun you also bought any felanys that are conected with it.

[oldtimer]

Originally Posted by hidn_shadows

okay. so, what would be the easiest gun for a kid for self defense if they live in a bad neighberhood? preferably shotgun?

none, Leave the bad neighborhood. Hell I did.

[Shepherd]

There are several ways to acquire weapons that are not registered to you personally. I would agree that stealing from a gun owner or policeman would be ill-advised. There are three easy purchasing plans: 1st, buy from an individual at a gun show. This is not monitored, the guns are not registered to the buyer, and the guys selling at gunshows do not want to be noticed by the cops; 2nd, go to the part of town where you wouldn't be caught dead after dark. There are people there who have guns and will sell them to the right fool; and 3rd, buy from an individual who advertises one for sale. I've purchased weapons from two of the three methods and never had any trouble.

You do need to know what you want, and have working knowledge of the weapon. Obtaining a semi-auto is a lot harder than buying a shotgun. A revolver is easier than a semi-auto pistol. And a wheel gun is much more reliable than your standard 9mm. You should be able to inspect the weapon and have the opportunity to ensure that it fires. Does it have a firing pin? Does the hammer fall correctly? Does the weapon have the correct magazine? Has it been used as a hammer? Is it rusty? Does it come with ammo? Because if you buy a gun and have no access to ammunition, the gun is no better than an awkward club.

I hope that this helps you in your search.

[Recycler]

The police can still extract the number though. They have some cheimcal ( i cant remember the name) that they can brush over the area where the number was. Then it would show the serial number. Something about the different layers from being pressed, and permantly changing the density in the metal of the reciever all the way through the wall.
I have a friend in my troop who was a Chicago police officer and told me the whole process but i've forgot the details.
Just remember, if the numbers where carved into the firearm, then removing the serial number would be permant. If it was pressed in, then it can still be extracted.

Aqua Regia, or most any mild to strong compound for etching metal, will work to reveal the pressed numbers.

and.... if you did the opposite? instead of stratching it away, filling it up with molten metal?

Using an etchant would still reveal them as they can be used to reveal differences in density/hardness/temper as well as make the differences between two metals in the same piece really pop (think of a damascus blade).


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[shetlan]

The easiest way to get an unregistered weapon is to find your local drug dealer and ask him if he knows anyone that sells guns (this typically requires a bribe). Get an address or a phone number, go find the guy, and ask what he's got for under -your price range-.

If you're concerned about the gun working, tell him you'd like to test the merchandise. Sometimes they're okay with it, sometimes this makes you look like a cop. Make it clear that you just want to know the gun works before you buy it, and they'll figure something out.

[FerretBone]

The only thing about drug dealers is that do not give receipts and have no return policy

Why would going to a drug dealer be easier than just buying a firearm from a private seller? It’s more likely to function correctly, and not dangerous.

[Shepherd]

I just remembered that there is a source of unregistered guns. I was at a gun show not too long ago when a gentleman approached me with a home-built .45 auto. He had built the gun from purchased parts. If I remember correctly, even the receiver was number free. I wasn't in the market for a pistol that day, so I did not buy it. The gun dealer I was with called it a kit gun, but the parts were individually purchased, not from a kit.

Be aware, though, that in the U.S. if you are caught with such a weapon (i.e.: no serial numbers) it is a violation of the federal gun laws, and is subject to federal time.

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by FerretBone

The only thing about drug dealers is that do not give receipts and have no return policy

Why would going to a drug dealer be easier than just buying a firearm from a private seller? It’s more likely to function correctly, and not dangerous.

You havn't done alot of this have you? What makes buying from a drug dealer any different? If he sells you a bad product, take it back and tell him so. Most drug dealers may be scum, but they have a highly developed sense of customer satisfaction.

Beyond that, ever heard of cleaning the gun? Take it apart, make sure everything's there, everything's oiled, and everything's in decent condition - which you need to do with store bought guns anyway.

If by "private seller" you mean a store (which I assume from the 'receipts and return policy' thing) here's why:

Store:
Go to the store, tell them you want to buy a certain gun, fill out the papers, wait ten days, pay $300.

Drug Dealer:
Find the guy (shouldn't take more than a day), see what he's got, pay $100-$200.

With a store, you have government regulation, a paper trail, your face on security cams, and a waiting period. The overall question comes down to whether or not you're going to use teh gun.

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by Shepherd

I just remembered that there is a source of unregistered guns. I was at a gun show not too long ago when a gentleman approached me with a home-built .45 auto. He had built the gun from purchased parts. If I remember correctly, even the receiver was number free. I wasn't in the market for a pistol that day, so I did not buy it. The gun dealer I was with called it a kit gun, but the parts were individually purchased, not from a kit.

Be aware, though, that in the U.S. if you are caught with such a weapon (i.e.: no serial numbers) it is a violation of the federal gun laws, and is subject to federal time.

Well, down to the grit of it, the ultimate scource of unregistered weapons is to build them yourself (ie Luty and Holmes).