easiest acquired gun????

[FerretBone]

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

:Ingram MAC-10 Full Auto Conversion.pdf
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I’m really starting to think you are legally retarded fool. You posted this link with a diagram on how to convert a semi auto open bolt Ingram to full auto. It’s says “semi auto Ingram” in the title, and through out the book. Problem is, Ingram never made a semi auto MAC.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

:Cobray PM-11 Full Auto
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Originally Posted by Misanthropy

:That's what I modded & that's what that illustration covers, jackass. Which, again, is obvious if you have any kind of grasp of the English language

Then you posted this book how to convert a Leinad’s (Cobray) PM-11 to full auto. Two things wrong here son.
One, you fucked up the title. It does not discuss how to convert a PM-11. It discusses how to convert SWD’s M-11.

Two, You then said PM-11 is what you mod’ed. Then in the same breath you attempt to mock me about not reading English, “because PM-11 is what the book covers“. LOL Holly shit you are making a complete ass of your self.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

:SEMI AUTO COBRAY PM-11 only costs about $350”

If you some how confused a M-11 for a PM-11, you cornered you self from claiming it was a mistake or confusion and slipping out of that lie, by quoting the price of a PM-11 above. Which is about right. An M-11 open bolt is about $1000. Usually much more.

I guess you forgot open bolts are the only MACs( even Cobray) you could convert. Especially using the method in that guild you said you used.



Whoops,

You lied about converting a PM-11 to full auto.

You tried to clown on me for not reading what you post, when actually you had the wrong manual (M-11 manual) for the firearm you say you converted to full auto. Which cant be converted. (The PM-11 the firearm you lied about converting) It can not be converted, to full auto. Not without grinding the receiver down, changing out all the parts, and starting from scratch. It’d be like converting a fan into a lawn mower.

You posted a shitty book wrote by some clown who didn’t even know Ingram never made a simi auto MAC.



Again, this is a moot point, but you brought it up.

Mac is not slang, WTF Misanthropy, MAC refers to all M-10s, M-11s, and M-12s. It’s what the manufactures call their whole M-10 type firearms in their product line. If you were going to order a MAC, and you wanted to be specific would say M-10 or M-11.
MAC implies what kind of firearm your talking about.
If someone asked what kind of MAC do you own, use, or are trying to mod, then you give the model number. M-10, M-11.
MAC is so frequently used by the firearms community, or gun world, that it is part of the langue and terms agreed upon to identify the M-10 type firearms. This started in the 70s. No matter how hard you try you are not going to change this langue.


BWHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Try Googling “how to make a man, who post the wrong manuals, for the wrong firearms, that he claims to have converted look like an idiot” And see how many hits you find.
Yeah, I’m guessing there aren’t that many idiots out there. Your must be the only one. Kind of hard to regurgitate information against priceless arguments like yours. You would have to give me more to work with.
Sorry fool, I’m giving you real time, genuine, rebuttals, to your genuine bullshit.

[XxhowcanilivexX]

or make your own gun www.thehomegunsmith.com/index.shtml

[hdragon40]

Most firearms can be traced, you need to sign ATF forms for like everything, and maybe buy them from class 3 dealers.

More easily obtained are spud guns.
a gun from The Spudgun Technology Center - Your Source for Spudgun Parts, information, and more! can shoot a tennis ball 3km+ (20+ seconds of down-time) straight up. That is a a tennis ball from a 2.5inch ball, which is a 2.5 caliber gun, or a 63.5mm projectile launcher. Most "real" guns of this caliber are considered cannons/autocannons. The tennis balls can be replaced with other things, like chemical fire cocktails, grenades, maybe shot puts (maybe too much for a PVC barrel).
These things will break bones at close range (point blank to 200m), with soft projectiles, and with specialized ammo from Ultimate spud gun., you will kill somebody.
Spud guns are awesome cause you can shoot out pretty much anything.

Also, I've heard of people using model rockets to carry shaped charges on their nose. These can go a couple hundred meters, fly really fast, and go boom!

Plus, these guns are more fun to play with than "real" guns. Unfortunately, they are also significantly more dangerous (not the spud gun, if you just shoot normal stuff).

Or you can go jack a shotgun off somebody/steal one/find an mp5-n in the alley/get it from someplace (a club or some friends?).

[hdragon40]

Good job, FerretBone. Nice to see that somebody's checking the info.

[FerretBone]

Originally Posted by hdragon40

Good job, FerretBone. Nice to see that somebody's checking the info.

Thank you hdragon40, Ill be over there if you need me.

[Misanthropy]

Originally Posted by hdragon40

Good job, FerretBone. Nice to see that somebody's checking the info.

He's not. That's the problem.

Ferret: Put your money where your mouth is. Get one, mod it, video (no sound, no identifiers) or it didn't happen.

Then tell me it doesn't work. Until then, you might quit yapping about things you haven't seen or tried.

PROOF your objections.

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

He's not. That's the problem.

Ferret: Put your money where your mouth is. Get one, mod it, video (no sound, no identifiers) or it didn't happen.

Then tell me it doesn't work. Until then, you might quit yapping about things you haven't seen or tried.

PROOF your objections.

One would ask you to fullfill the same challenge.

[Misanthropy]

Originally Posted by shetlan

One would ask you to fullfill the same challenge.

I'm not the one contesting it.

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

I'm not the one contesting it.

No, you where the one making the original claim.
Your claim was contested, and you're yet to prove yourself right.

Since you claim that you've already completed the modifications you claimed, let's see the video, in the same style you requested from Ferret.

[Misanthropy]

I certainly wouldn't mind. I'm on supervised release however & I can't own firearms until after I beat this case. When this is done, I'll gladly get down to it.

Look, the only structural differences between the M11 & PM11 is, IIRC, the trigger set. On the M11 it keeps the bolt in the open position. The hammer & sear operate in similar fashion.

On the M11 the trigger is depressed, the bolt slides forward, stripping a round off the magazine & the hammer is released to strike the firing pin upon full trigger depression, firing the round & cycling the mechanism again.

On the PM11 the trigger set does not lock the bolt in the open position. The round fired cycles the mechanism, stripping another round off the magazine & the bolt remains closed, awaiting the hammer to fall, striking off the next chambered round. This is plain as day & easy to see once you have them side by side & disassembled. The hammer/sear interaction is the same.

When you cut down the lobe on the hammer on either model the hammer follows the bolt as it strips off the next round in battery & fires it upon chambering.

Now, these full auto manuals have been in print forever & are not some fictional work of fantasy. You think they'd still be around if they were? They are factual & they work.

Ferret has the nerve to say the people who wrote these have no clue what they're talking about.... They even lay open & closed bolt designs side by side.

Now you tell me who's more credible: These people, or our friend ferret here, spitting his version of "fact".

????

Yeah....

Next!

Originally Posted by shetlan

No, you where the one making the original claim.
Your claim was contested, and you're yet to prove yourself right.

Since you claim that you've already completed the modifications you claimed, let's see the video, in the same style you requested from Ferret.

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

Now, these full auto manuals have been in print forever & are not some fictional work of fantasy. You think they'd still be around if they were? They are factual & they work.

The Anarchist's Cookbook is pretty old to - does that make it accurate?

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

Ferret has the nerve to say the people who wrote these have no clue what they're talking about.... They even lay open & closed bolt designs side by side.

Now you tell me who's more credible: These people, or our friend ferret here, spitting his version of "fact".

You're asserting that the manual being old automatically makes it true - which is just silly. As we've all seen with the Anarchist's Cookbook, neither a work's fame nor its age automatically qualify it as reliable. I would submit that the AC is far older and far more popular than your full-auto manual, and yet it is one of the most factually inacurate works I've ever heard of.

On the other hand, Ferret has the credentials and the experience to speak on this subject with authority, and his information typically turns out to be right.

If your question is whether I trust Ferret's proven knowlege or that of a book of unknown origin or reliability - I would have to go with Ferret.

[Misanthropy]

Your assessment here is faulty. I wasn't claiming that age makes it reliable. I was claiming that it is a technical document, illustrated for your convenience, which has been around for a long time. There's a whole "Full Auto" series of technical manuals, again, illustrated for your convenience.

These are not works of fiction as is AC. I'm sorry, but bananadine just doesn't exist. <--Fantasty. Full Auto Series <---Technical Fact.

Ferret is credible & his claims turn out to me "mostly" true, only in so far as he's quite skilled at bending language & interpretation of fact to his will.

I can see this & the illustrated documents bear it out for those of you who care to see for yourselves. This does not make him any more correct or credible than William Powell a la Anarchist's Cookbook. "It's just a bad scene, man"

Credentials & experience? Please, his claims that his unit's radio set couldn't even transmit a mile on open desert, let alone beat out a 9v hand held walkie talkie set from radio shack are fucking obscene. I'd have to seriously draw into question your basis for taking his fabrications for basis of argument as reality. Your judgment I think is impaired & whatever medication YOU'RE taking is seriously messing with your head.....

Enough fucking around. This is almost as stupid as FB by now.

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

Your assessment here is faulty. I wasn't claiming that age makes it reliable. I was claiming that it is a technical document, illustrated for your convenience, which has been around for a long time. There's a whole "Full Auto" series of technical manuals, again, illustrated for your convenience.

So now you're saying that it having pictures makes it reliable?
As I recall, the AC has pictures as well.
It's also "been around for a long time".

Though it's inconvenient for you, the parallels to the AC are perfectly legitimate. For decades peple accept the recipies of the AC as fact - since nobody came forward and said "I tried to make a bomb that way, and it didn't work". Even now, when people are coming forward to point out the AC's inaccurracy, many people still hold it's claims to be fact - because it's "been around for a long time".

Additionally, so called "technical documents" are only as accurrate as those who write them. The AC could be considered such a document, but its authors obviously didn't check their so called facts.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

Ferret is credible & his claims turn out to me "mostly" true, only in so far as he's quite skilled at bending language & interpretation of fact to his will.

I can see this & the illustrated documents bear it out for those of you who care to see for yourselves. This does not make him any more correct or credible than William Powell a la Anarchist's Cookbook. "It's just a bad scene, man"

Frankly pal, you havn't been here long enough to have a sensible evaluation of anyone, let alone Ferret, who I would submit is probably the most knowlegable person on the forum (top three if nothing else).

Weapons are Ferret's area of expertise, just as explosives are Apoc's.
If some random book on explosives says that Apoc is wrong about making things go boom, I'm going with Apoc.
If some random book on guns says that Ferret is wrong about making things go bang, I'm going with Ferret.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

Credentials & experience? Please, his claims that his unit's radio set couldn't even transmit a mile on open desert, let alone beat out a 9v hand held walkie talkie set from radio shack are fucking obscene. I'd have to seriously draw into question your basis for taking his fabrications for basis of argument as reality. Your judgment I think is impaired & whatever medication YOU'RE taking is seriously messing with your head.....

Enough fucking around. This is almost as stupid as FB by now.

Well let's see, your credentials are those of a consistent drug user who is regularly stoned out of his mind - you've apparently posted in this condition on several occasions - and your sole area of expertise seems to be said drugs.

Ferret on the other hand is a veteran, a gun shop employee, and frankly all but a weapons expert.

The assertion that his radio couldn't reach beyond a mile in the desert isn't that surprising, and it's definitely accurate. If you frequent forums devoted to ATVs you'll find that many people using 25mile FCC registered Walkies don't get more than a mile or two out of them in the desert.

If I may quote Scott at 123Radios.com

Originally Posted by Scott

Do FRS/GMRS Walkie-Talkies really reach 12-18 miles?
The short answer is NO. Claims of FRS/GMRS walkie-talkies reaching 12 to 18 miles are based on optimum conditions. All handheld walkie-talkies are based on line-of-sight, therefore terrain and structures can greatly reduce range. For the most part, the range of a handheld walkie-talkie is about 1 mile.

[Misanthropy]

Originally Posted by shetlan

So now you're saying that it having pictures makes it reliable?
As I recall, the AC has pictures as well.
It's also "been around for a long time".

Pictures of a mechanical device with explanation of how it works lacks only one thing to make it reliable: Your intellect & ability to put those things together. If you can't do this, I can understand why you'd draw a parallel with AC. This just means your a moron, nothing more.


"Though it's inconvenient for you, the parallels to the AC are perfectly legitimate. For decades peple accept the recipies of the AC as fact - since nobody came forward and said "I tried to make a bomb that way, and it didn't work". Even now, when people are coming forward to point out the AC's inaccurracy, many people still hold it's claims to be fact - because it's "been around for a long time"."

It's not at all inconvenient for me. Here again is you twisting the truth. SOME people, namely future TOTSE/BOMBSHOCK base constituency, took it as gospel. Anyone with any sense whatsoever have always known better & it was never anything more than a laughable curio of counter culture literature.

Oh, so none of these people stepped forward & said "This didn't work"? Maybe because they found out how stupid they were or they wound up dead. Same could be said for those Believing in some mystical God or Jesus... Well, He/they/it didn't work for me, so can we throw that piece of shit called the Bible out already? It's been around for FAR too long & I'm guessing you've at some point taken part of it as truth also.

"Additionally, so called "technical documents" are only as accurrate as those who write them. The AC could be considered such a document, but its authors obviously didn't check their so called facts."

Uh huh, right. I guess blueprints for a house & schematics for a circuit board qualify here too eh? In case you were too lazy to look for yourself, some of these Full Auto things include machinists diagrams... funny little technical frivolities called measurements, tolerances etc... I guess we should toss this all in with AC after all.. Because hey, we clearly can't trust these people. Let's just go with some guy online that can't spell.

"Frankly pal, you havn't been here long enough to have a sensible evaluation of anyone, let alone Ferret, who I would submit is probably the most knowlegable person on the forum (top three if nothing else)."

You are not helping him out here by pointing that out, you realize? This forum is as close to TOTSE as anyone could ever get. I'd keep that little gem to myself if I were you guys...

"Weapons are Ferret's area of expertise, just as explosives are Apoc's.
If some random book on explosives says that Apoc is wrong about making things go boom, I'm going with Apoc.
If some random book on guns says that Ferret is wrong about making things go bang, I'm going with Ferret. "

Oookaaayyy then... So much for that aforementioned intellect...

"Well let's see, your credentials are those of a consistent drug user who is regularly stoned out of his mind - you've apparently posted in this condition on several occasions - and your sole area of expertise seems to be said drugs."

My official credentials are as follows:
B.A. Organic Chemistry
A.A.S Electronics Engineering Technology
A.A.S. Network Engineering (MCSE Certified)
Diploma Computer Science
CPhT National Pharmacy License by PTCB.
Oregon & Washington State Pharmacy Tech Licenses

Unofficially:
Clandestine Drug Synthesis & Pharmacology/Biochem academic.
6 year administrator of the longest lived drug/harm reduction related forum on the net. Lycaeum.
10 year Bee from The Hive.
20+ year pyrotechnician & energetic materials researcher.

To clear this up: I don't use "drugs". I study them & have made a few in the past. I have experimented with novel & research compounds from time to time, but I by no means do this on any regular basis & the nature of my standing in this field seems to confuse you. My interest in drugs holding potentially useful or otherwise intriguing Structure Activity Relationships (SAR) makes me no more a druggie than it (in conjunction with explosives/firearms) makes me (or Ferret or Apoc) a terrorist.

What are your credentials again?

"The assertion that his radio couldn't reach beyond a mile in the desert isn't that surprising, and it's definitely accurate. If you frequent forums devoted to ATVs you'll find that many people using 25mile FCC registered Walkies don't get more than a mile or two out of them in the desert"

Why is this applicable? He's using military grade equipment supposedly with much more power behind it than a fucking walkie talkie set. Funny though, I get over a mile on the set my brother & I use on Mt. Hood when we go skiing. Even during blizzards. So, I really don't care about your ATV forums or Mr. Scott at 123radios. But you may quote to your little heart's content if you wish.

Again, I have a little something called a degree, in the field of electronics engineering... I understand the science, I speak the language. Do you? Does scott? I know Ferret sure doesn't, so, who's credible here?

[shetlan]

Having a hard time using the quote feature?

[Misanthropy]

Originally Posted by shetlan

Having a hard time using the quote feature?

Not really, your quotes generally just don't matter that much.

[hdragon40]

I understand that arguments are good for egos, but can you guys just lay off? Come on, people. You guys post good info, and its nice that people are fact-checking it. But, now, much of your replies are filled with useless crap. Formula of the posts:

1. Normal reply
2. Are you sure???
3. Thats not right
4. Yes it is, retard
5. retort
6. No, it is you who is the ignorant bastard
7. Hey, (sides with person) you suck.
8. I AM RIGHT!
9. No, you are an idiot
10. Screw you
So on and so forth.

Bottom line: point out mistakes, but could you do it without giving each other compound fractures? Can't we all be friends? (fine, that was cheesy. Go ahead, shoot me).

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

It's not at all inconvenient for me. Here again is you twisting the truth. SOME people, namely future TOTSE/BOMBSHOCK base constituency, took it as gospel. Anyone with any sense whatsoever have always known better & it was never anything more than a laughable curio of counter culture literature.

Really, and yet the AC was accepted as fact for decades (and largely still is), despite the supposed genius of you and your cohorts

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

Oh, so none of these people stepped forward & said "This didn't work"? Maybe because they found out how stupid they were or they wound up dead.

Or maybe they wheren't stupid enough to spread a statement like "I tried to build a bomb by their instructions and it didn't work.".

What the deleted part of that quote had to do with the subject I'll never know, but it does offer a glance into your personality as a bitter and scatterbrained pseudo-intellectual.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

Uh huh, right. I guess blueprints for a house & schematics for a circuit board qualify here too eh? In case you were too lazy to look for yourself, some of these Full Auto things include machinists diagrams... funny little technical frivolities called measurements, tolerances etc... I guess we should toss this all in with AC after all.. Because hey, we clearly can't trust these people. Let's just go with some guy online that can't spell.

The AC as well as many other completely false works, provide measurements, ratios, effective ranges, and assorted other information of the same nature - again, that doesn't make the information true, it makes it a very specific lie.

I find it funny that you're still not basing the validity on the booklet on anything beyond it having pictures and being old.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

My official credentials are as follows:
B.A. Organic Chemistry
A.A.S Electronics Engineering Technology
A.A.S. Network Engineering (MCSE Certified)
Diploma Computer Science
CPhT National Pharmacy License by PTCB.
Oregon & Washington State Pharmacy Tech Licenses

Unofficially:
Clandestine Drug Synthesis & Pharmacology/Biochem academic.
6 year administrator of the longest lived drug/harm reduction related forum on the net. Lycaeum.
10 year Bee from The Hive.
20+ year pyrotechnician & energetic materials researcher.

Excusing significant doubt as to whether or not any of those statements are true - In what way is this relevant to the validity on a technical manual on firearms? So essentially what you're telling us is that you have no background or experience in firearms modification, mechanical engineering, gunsmithing, or any of the other related fields.

No offense buddy, but why you think being a long-time member of a stoner's forum adds to your credibility is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

To clear this up: I don't use "drugs". I study them & have made a few in the past. I have experimented with novel & research compounds from time to time, but I by no means do this on any regular basis & the nature of my standing in this field seems to confuse you.

It doesn't confuse me, it's completely irrelevant to your ability to assess the validity of a technical manual on weapons modification. Why you think that being an expert on drug use and synthesis adds to your validity on this topic is beyond any logical sense.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

My interest in drugs holding potentially useful or otherwise intriguing Structure Activity Relationships (SAR) makes me no more a druggie than it (in conjunction with explosives/firearms) makes me (or Ferret or Apoc) a terrorist.

An interesting argument in a completely insane and totally invalid sort of way. You've been sampling too many of your experiments.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

Why is this applicable? He's using military grade equipment supposedly with much more power behind it than a fucking walkie talkie set.

1: You claimed to have built a device that could transmit several miles based on similar tech - which by all accounts is both impossible and likely an outright lie (since your posts suggest that you never actually tested it).
2: You posted a picture of a commercially available walkie talkie set claiming that it had a 5 mile range - which by all accounts is also patently false.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

Again, I have a little something called a degree, in the field of electronics engineering... I understand the science, I speak the language. Do you? Does scott? I know Ferret sure doesn't, so, who's credible here?

You would think that a person claiming to have such expertise in this field would have such basic knowlege - but apparently that's not the case. That alone should call your claims about your credentials into question.

Additionally, Scot C. Fogelberg (123radios.com) is also the founder and owner of Ion Inc - one of the largest communications companies in the country.
I'll take his obvious knowlege of the equipment over the knowlege you claim to have (and obviously don't) anyday.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

Not really, your quotes generally just don't matter that much.

And yet, you quoted is and responded to it in sections - you where just too lazy to place individual quotes. That was a good try though.

[FerretBone]

Misanthropy, thought he knew what he was talking about, but then realized, no he does not.

From Misanthropy’s conversion bible he posted.

“This manual describes a simple cost effected method of converting SWD M-11/9mm into a full time, full auto, sub machine gun.”

Not his PM-11. His PM-11 has a floating firing pin (moving) in the bolt. An open bolt has a fixed firing pin. I’ll get to that in a minute. But first


Misanthropy, you have really become desperate since you’ve last posted.
You claimed to have mod’ed a PM-11, I called you on it, then you posted the wrong conversion manual you claimed to have used to mod your PM-11.

Now your asking me to illegally mod a firearm, film it, then post it here for you?

Look Dear, no matter how hard you try, I’m not stupid enough to walk you step by step on how to mod a semi auto to full auto. Especially on the internet. I guess that’s why I’m still able to buy title-1 and title-2 firearms, and your not.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

I certainly wouldn't mind. I'm on supervised release however & I can't own firearms until after I beat this case. When this is done, I'll gladly get down to it..

Ohhh that blows, your missing out on all the good deals for most NFA’s firearms being offered right now because of the shitty economy.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

When you cut down the lobe on the hammer on either model the hammer follows the bolt as it strips off the next round in battery & fires it upon chambering.

You say, the hammer follows the bolt, the bolt closes, then it fires the round? BWHAA!!!! A classic newcomer mistake.

How does the hammer know when the bolt is completely closed? You must be using a hammer from one of those ‘smart guns”.
Because every one else’s hammers will ride along with the bolt as it moves forward, then when the bolt closes, (with the hammer behind it the whole time) the hammer does not have enough momentum or force to push the firing pin hard enough to fire the primer.

Or it will fire out of battery.

Some times it may fire a round, most of the time the firing pin hardly leaves a dent in the primer. That’s with a floating firing pin (moving), like the one your PM-11 has.

I’ll give you this,
Hint: You would have to wield the firing pin in a fixed position on a PM-11. At this point, you would be lying if you said you did that to your PM-11. So don't even try.


On the SWD M-11 or RPB M-11 semi auto, open bolt, like the one in the book you posted, has a firing pin milled into the bolts face, allowing it to “slam fire.” Basically it’s a nipple on the bolts face. The bolt itself, is the firing pin on an open bolt firearm. Again don’t pretend you knew that already, because you’ed be lying again.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

Now, these full auto manuals have been in print forever & are not some fictional work of fantasy. You think they'd still be around if they were? They are factual & they work.

Yes your are correct, but those were printed in the 1980s for open bolt Macs, not closed bolts post 1994 PM-11s like the one you lied about moding.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

They even lay open & closed bolt designs side by side.

Yeap, that manual had a full auto 45cal Mac, and a semi auto 9mm Mac.
Each having different frames, bolts, calibers, and trigger or fire control groups. No big deal, why they didn’t have an open bolt M-11 semi 9mm, and a full auto M-11 9mm together for comparison, is beyond me.
Maybe for the same reason the writer of that book didn’t know Ingram never made a semi auto Mac. HA ….I’d still would like to get my hands on a “semi auto Ingram” the writer of that book said he used. What a collectors item that would be.

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

There's a whole "Full Auto" series of technical manuals, again, illustrated for your convenience.

Let me give you the source to all those books for free,…………. Screw your shitty mega upload site.
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Originally Posted by Misanthropy

Ferret is credible & his claims turn out to me "mostly" true, only in so far as he's quite skilled at bending language & interpretation of fact to his will.

How is that Misanthropy? Because I Am in a position to correct you on your lies and misinformation like……..

1. Full autos are not called “class three” they are NFA‘s? You are not knowledgeable enough in this field to know that the ATF has an NFA branch, not a “class three branch”?
ATF Online - Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
And didn’t know that every reliable gun board, or class 3 firearms dealer call full autos NFAs? Don't be scared to Admit this. Everyone else already knows.

2. M-10s, M-11s, or Mac type firearms are called MAC’s, regardless who manufactured them?
The end of page 3. This writer actually talked to Mr. Ingram. No rumors, no myths, no internet misinformation, simply a step by step stage, and evolution of the Mac by the men in this field during the Mac attack times.
New Page 2. Every firearms dealer in the US calls them Macs. Every person knowledgeable with firearms on this planet calls them Macs, except you. What does that say about you, and your dribble here?

3. The guild you posted weeks ago, and referred to in your last post sent you on a wild goose chase for a “semi auto Ingram“? You are a gutless coward, if you are still scared to admit your wrong. And to stupid to know, we all know, your full of shit. Be a man an admit it.
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4. You did not successfully mod a PM-11 to full auto using the SWD manual posted and stated as such by you? Your a liar. It's over son, fuck for you, it's been over for awhile.
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Your asking me to prove that you did'nt? Your asking me to prove What? You fucking prove it sucker. Your the fool who said you have moded a PM-11. I see idiots like you every day try this bullshit. And I always point and laugh at them like I'm doing with you. I'll take this a step further. Because the thing is, I doubt you have even tried anything that stupid. I think you and your drugged up mind are full of shit. Thats right, not only is it Obvious that you didn't mod dick. I don't think you have even tried. Besides, I've alreadyproved as much as I can over the net with the info you have given so far that you are knowledgeable enough with these firearms to mod dick. Your not even knowledgeable enough to debate the above.

"Now What"....
"?????".......
"Next".....
"You were saying"

Get the fuck out of here Jack.




5. Cobray is simply a logo, stamped on Macs by all companies Daniel had ownership in. The same guy who headed RPB, and owned SWD, and Leinad. Leinad being your PM-11.
And that Cobray never manufactured any firearms. Even says it on their website. Thus there is no such thing as a “Cobray” Model 10, 11, 12.…….? Yet another sign of your egotistical, novice status on this subject.





I’m flattered that you can’t make a single post in any forum on this site, without mentioning me. What is your slobbering fetish with me?

My “alter ego” doesn’t have any room for lying, childish, wanna be green horns like you. GET OFF MY NUTS

[crowley]

dude buying a gun in the usa is so fucking easy!

go to a gun show they ahve fully automatics for "under the table" sale


no backround checks no waiting and no registration


if u want a fully auto gun look for the people who are in full camo or getto looking and talk to them

a dude i know got a tech 0 fully auto for 600 bucks no questions asked


and he even had a silencer for another 200 bucks


its 5 dollers at the door in texas

[FerretBone]

Originally Posted by crowley

dude buying a gun in the usa is so fucking easy!

go to a gun show they ahve fully automatics for "under the table" sale

no backround checks no waiting and no registration

if u want a fully auto gun look for the people who are in full camo or getto looking and talk to them

a dude i know got a tech 0 fully auto for 600 bucks no questions asked

and he even had a silencer for another 200 bucks

its 5 dollers at the door in texas

What the hell are you talking about?

No body sold you or your friend a tech 9 fullauto for 600 bucks. $600 bucks is what a semiauto tech 9 goes for. Well thats not what they go for, but thats what the wanna be gang bangers pay for them. They really cost about $400. They are marked up buy firearm sellers for the wanna be gangsta types. The ones who think it's cool to have a shitty hollywood gangsta type firearm. You should also know, Tech 9s are the most jam prone firearms on the market.

The Dude you know really got ripped off by paying $600 for a $400 jamming tech 9.

And the suppressor for $200, is a fake suppressor.

[FerretBone]

Why are you so mute Misanthropy?

Don’t run away now, you started this mess. Bring your lying ass back here an admit you were full of shit.

You’ve had plenty of time to ask your daddy, or, to inquire his friends how they supposedly mod’ed a semi auto Mac to full auto.

Where did you go all of a sudden? I'm off for the next three days. Lets do this. Put daddy, and his friend on the computer, so we can correct the bullshit your spreading from the source. You can even bring your dope with you.

Or did you get grounded from the computer again?

Lets go liar, finish this.

This is dumb, lowering myself to Misanthropy’s level, I’m aware of that.

[ninefingers]

Originally Posted by Misanthropy

My official credentials are as follows:
B.A. Organic Chemistry
A.A.S Electronics Engineering Technology
A.A.S. Network Engineering (MCSE Certified)
Diploma Computer Science
CPhT National Pharmacy License by PTCB.
Oregon & Washington State Pharmacy Tech Licenses

Unofficially:
Clandestine Drug Synthesis & Pharmacology/Biochem academic.
6 year administrator of the longest lived drug/harm reduction related forum on the net. Lycaeum.
10 year Bee from The Hive.
20+ year pyrotechnician & energetic materials researcher.

What are your credentials again?
?

Don't condescend to the people here. They will just discredit you and say you don't have theses degrees/experience. Just don't waste your time.

[shetlan]

Originally Posted by ninefingers

Don't condescend to the people here. They will just discredit you and say you don't have theses degrees/experience. Just don't waste your time.

What a prediction - "predicting" 3 weeks after it already happened.

Misanthropy hasn't been on the site in almost a month - his departure beginning the day Ferret and I called him on the carpet for his blatantly false claims about his credentials.

[FerretBone]

Originally Posted by shetlan

What a prediction - "predicting" 3 weeks after it already happened.

Misanthropy hasn't been on the site in almost a month - his departure beginning the day Ferret and I called him on the carpet for his blatantly false claims about his credentials.

I give you most the credit for running that idiot off. After all, I only called him on his BS in this one thread. You engaged him all over this forum. I'm afraid I just don't have the energy for that.

[Misanthropy]

Originally Posted by shetlan

What a prediction - "predicting" 3 weeks after it already happened.

Misanthropy hasn't been on the site in almost a month - his departure beginning the day Ferret and I called him on the carpet for his blatantly false claims about his credentials.

Now that is some shit. I have a chemical supply business to run & court proceedings to attend, not to mention a child, kind-of-ex wife, several girlfriends & other forums of greater substance than this that demand my attention.

You say a modified PM11 "may occasionally fire a round". lol, quite a change from "it won't work at all" and your claims that modifying the hammer just won't do anything... It either works or it doesn't & you don't need to weld shit just because the open bolt has a fixed pin, junior. It does, in fact, fire from battery just fine. The floating pin does not interfere with cycling or firing at all in my experience. So get bent.

Get off your nuts? Me? Maybe I'll just clip your sack & hang it over my fireplace as a reminder of your place around here: Decoration only.

You haven't discredited anything. I earned my credentials & have the paper to show it.

I still maintain that neither of you two pansies have the interest or wherewithall to actually try this cobray modification. Talk all the shit you want, it still works, bitches.

[shetlan]

Glad you made the time to come back and make an ass of yourself once again.

[Misanthropy]

Well then I guess I'll put your nuts up on the fireplace too. You're informationally impotent anyway.

[ninefingers]

" predicting" 3 weeks after it happened.

Originally Posted by shetlan

Glad you made the time to come back and make an ass of yourself once again.

Again, talking through your hat. Some of us have lives and families, unlike you.

I'd rather hear from those who Have Actually modded guns, etc.

Plus, so I didn't see his retort to you right away, so what? Wrong is Wrong; I don't care if it was a Year ago. Just letting Misanthropy know not to waste his time, just don't bother. You won't believe Evolution if it slapped you in the face.

There is a neat post on another Forum making a .22 derringer--he says something about needing a "rifled barrel" to be legal, or it's a short barreled shotgun? But short rifles are restricted, too. Doesn't make sense: File Savr - Free File Hosting .

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[Misanthropy]

Props ninefingers. Yeah, I think I'll refer to the incredibly lame duo now as shetbone. I can speak to one or both with the same results as they PM each other whenever I pop up, so, what the fuck...

Hey Nine: Are you by chance referring to the Serbu Super Shorty 12g? That's a pretty sweet unit & I was meaning to buy one at one time. I believe it does have a rifled barrel, classifying it as a "non gun" to circumvent certain restrictions on barrel length. Sweet machine.