easiest acquired gun????

[mopars69]

what is the easiest gun to get,and i mean unregistered.my opinions are
1.ak-47
2. 12 gauge shotgun
3.uzi's
4. tec-nines
these are the easiest because almost everyone i know has one for sale.these unregistered weapons are usually cheap.

[Vallen]

there cheap because they probly killed someone.
12 gage shotguns are the easiest to get. you are better off just buying it legally though since theres no rifling unless your using slugs.

[jimmy-dh]

only people who are weak use guns and bombshock is a highly piontless site

[Vallen]

that doesn't change the fact when a 12 gage empties into your head you'll be dead.

[mopars69]

vallen,you are completely correct,but why legally if you can get it cheap,and plan on selling right after you use it,and jimmy you are an idiot, why is bombshock useless?and you are the only dumbass iknow that woul try to fight someone with a gun,i guess over 3/4 of americans are weak and the liberals are the tough ones

[Heartshock]

in my town ive never heard or really seen any illigal weapons i did hear once about a year ago about a guy in the north end selling TEC-nines for real cheap but i never really bothered to give it a thought...

[Vallen]

Originally Posted by mopars69

vallen,you are completely correct,but why legally if you can get it cheap,and plan on selling right after you use it

because a shotgun is impossible to trace and i rather pay 100$ for a good new shotgun than paying 50$ for a gun that might jam on the second shot. If you know the guns complete history and its from someone you trust why not. But i would buy a shotgun thats 5+ years old no matter what condition its in.

[Fayle]

Originally Posted by jimmy-dh

only people who are weak use guns and bombshock is a highly piontless site

your the one who cant spell pointless buddy. And if it is POINTLESS then why are you here btw?


There technically is no easiest the real question is what are your resources and contacts. That is how you get your weapons. Good resources equals easier apprehend ability to get said weapons. ;P

[mopars69]

im got a few toys listed,but i am asking your opinions.

[Tane Te Tu]

You yanks are so lucky. To buy automatic rifles here is almost impossible (without the right contacts). The only full auto guns around to buy are the old Stens from back in WW2 and the Madison from Vietnam.

Shot guns are nice however i dislike the drop off in range. I find that a leaver action Springfield (bush gun) is the best. You got a nice rate of fire and it is legal, accurate and the ammo is pretty cheap.

I have a Madison that i got from my mate and it is a great little gun, the cocking handle can be a pain though.

And Jimmy, piss off. what was the point in that post. "guns are for the weak" wtff. So the army is weak?

BTW: what type of uzi is it? (Std, Mini or Micro)

[killerofall]

Any semi auto is cheap but if you want full autos you can trust your goonna pay top dollar for.

I wouldnt buy a tec 9 no matter how much it cost they are shit and i wouldnt trust them with my life. The only machine pistols i would use are mac's or converted handguns.

If you say you can find any fullauto guns cheap your full of shit unless there hella dirty. The only cheap AK's are POS semi auto wasr 10's that i wouldnt trust.

I never understand people that buy dirty guns and risk alot of time in prison for crimes someone else comited. When they could make or convert them themselves or call me for clean fullautos and silencers and anything else.
Im full of shit of course

[AngryAngry]

Hmm I live on the countryside in France so I think the easiest acquired guns around have to be old rusty hunting rifles... Pretty worthless. Though I bet I, as a teenager, can easily get one of those.
They sell them at about every flea market.
And there are some outdoor sport shops around where I guess I could get bullets, either by myself or either by an adult friend. Though I'm not sure if you need a permission or not.

[ANARCHY IS ORDER]

im from a small town in montana and its so easy to get your hands on some cheap firearms i just got a 38. snub nose is good shape for 150$ with ammo two words gun shows at the fair grounds 4 times a year good deal if you have some dirt to do you pay cash and walk out no wait for handguns hahaha its great

[oldtimer]

a rem 870 or mosberg 500, No tracable rifling, The ammo for a shot gun is endless. whatever slides through the barrel firmly[meaning no wobble play] can be shot through the barrel. extra barrels are cheap. you can fire slugs thruogh the smoth bore barrel.accesries for this weapon is endless. mine is far better then the cops. Fill a 12 ga shell with sparklers{take wad out first} instant flamethrower.150.00 used is common.18" or less barrels are usless. wanna crowd pleaser? use less pellets. To much to say on this sub so until? later

[Vallen]

im pretty sure firing slugs though a unrifled barrel isn't safe or good for the barrel i could be wrong though.

[killerofall]

Originally Posted by Vallen

im pretty sure firing slugs though a unrifled barrel isn't safe or good for the barrel i could be wrong though.

Your right.

[FerretBone]

Almost all firearms in the US were registered at some point.

There are 3 ways of registering firearms in the US.

1. Fullautos, class 3, or NFAs. That must be registered before 1986 with the ATF to own legally. Then each time they are sold must be registered in the buyers name.

2. Firearms that are not required to be "registered" by YOU in most states, handguns, shotguns, and rilfes. But are registered at birth by serial number.

3. Firearms that are registered on your own aqcord with a police department.



All firearms that are manufacturerd these days are registered by the manufacturer with the ATF. The serial number is used to declare a new firearm with the ATF.
If the ATF wants to trace the sale of a firearm, they contact the manufacturer, who looks through their sale records for the serial number then identifies the wholesaler that bought the firearm.
The wholesaler uses the serial number then refers the ATF to the retail dealer who, using the bound-book or sale record, then identifies the original retail purchaser who filed out the form 4473. This takes about 5 days to trace the firearm from birth to the final buyer at the gun store.
Once the ATF identifies the original purchaser. The ATF follows the chain of possession. To the last person to own the firearm by conducting interviews.


If you are looking for privately sold firearms that are not registered. They do not exist. You need to be looking for a firearm that has been sold so many times (used) that it is imposable to trace.







Any handgun made by Jennings Firearms, Raven Arms, Bryco Arms and Lorcin can be found for less than 85 bucks retail brand new in the box. They are the shittiest junk guns America has to offer.
A lot of gun dealers will have a box full of them if you ask. You probably can get them from a private party for free.


Your not going to find a cheap Uzi in the US very easily these days. In the 1980s I saw them at fleamarkets for 500 bucks brand new. Today they are NFAs and cost around $8000.

Intratec tec-9s are just as shitty as junkguns but cost about $425 new. They do hold their value with the wana-be thugs.

SAR-1s or WSARs AK-47s are still about $325-$450 new.

A shotgun can be found anywhere with any price range.

The easiest way to aquire a firearm is through private sells.




I've fired slugs through a unrifled barrel for years. Its safe and has very little ware on the barrel

[Bahr]

Originally Posted by Vallen

im pretty sure firing slugs though a unrifled barrel isn't safe or good for the barrel i could be wrong though.

Only if the gun has a birdshot choke built in. Any oher shot gun you can shoot slugs through. The riffling is to just give the slug a bit of spin and make it more accurate.

[crazy white guy]

Shotguns are the easiest, I can walk into any hunting club and walk out with a shotgun as long as it meets regulations. 26 inch overall length and 16 inch barrel.

A Luty ot STEN submachine gun would be next. They would be cheaper than the shotgun but harder to find someone to make one for you.

A rifle would be next. Anything from .22 - .38 is easy. Same thing with the hunting lodge but this would be slightly harder seeing as people are a lot less willing to part with a decent rifle.

I live near the border to the US so calling up a relative to buy me a gun of any fairly unregulated type in the US would not take very long but would require quite a long drive and all the border issues.

[killerofall]

ferret bone is corect but sar1s arent that cheap. And you can legaly own class3 full auto firearms newer than 86 if you either are LEO or Military or have an SOT.

There is no date restriction on SBR's SBS's AOW's or silencer's even though they are class 3 weapons. you have to be 21 to have these transfered threw a dealer on a form 4 or 18 in state and 18 to form1 them wich means you make them. You have to send a form along with a $200 check in order to get a tax stamp to make them legal this takes aout 4 months to get aproved.

A transferable Full auto M16 lower will cost about 14k now days thats just for a lower A FA ak will cost about 16k, A silencer csot from $200 to $1400 or more for a custom made can wich can cost up to 3k.

Forgot about DD destructive devices, Any weapon that uses an explosive to fire a projectile larger than .50 cal. or explosives such as M203 launchers (1 tax stamp for the launcher then antoher for each round) you can buy HE rounds for them. you can legaly make explosives for the cost of a tax stamp. wich also means that if you guys get caught with explosives they will also charge you with tax evasion same with SBR's and SBS's.

An SBR are a rifle with a barrel shorter than 16 inches and a SBS is shot gun with a barrel shorter than 16 inches. An aow is a firearm that does not apear tobe afirearm such as pen guns cane guns or a shot gun that came registerd from the factory with a pistol grip. All calss 3 items require a $200 tax stamp except an AOW wich only needs a $5 taw stamp. If you have any questions about any of this Pm me and ill gladly answer them for you.

[bloodlusta]

If you go to places like war tributes you can find people selling full-Auto weapons. There will be one here soon for armistice day. Im going to find out how much it would be for a Styre AUG.

if i was you i would get the AK. simply because i think the most intimating rifle ever. My friend has two and the sound they make is so distinctive. However remember that the cocking handle is on the other side of the rifle so you have to reach over it to cock it, which can be a pain, also the selector is strange as-well it is arranged S-F-E. If you have a choice in AKs try getting a 74 as they have very little recoil and often have folding stocks. AKMs will be the cheapest though.

[FerretBone]

Originally Posted by killerofall

ferret bone is corect but sar1s arent that cheap. And you can legaly own class3 full auto firearms newer than 86 if you either are LEO or Military or have an SOT.

Wrong, even being in the Military a person could not buy a post 1986 ban NFA firearm.
1. It takes a non direct Gov't contract to the manufacter to buy any firearm.
2. It would require a signed letterhead and memorandum. At the very least.
3. The NFA would never be allowed to be used for anything but training or combat.
4. The NFA would be stored in the arms room and owned by the military. And weapons draw must be aproved by the comander.

A LEO could only buy one for the department with a signed letter head from the CLEO. The class 3 dealer would then varify the letter head with the department. Then the ATF will do the same before allowing the transfer. Once approved no police officer owns the weapon. The police department would. And the police officer would, in most cases, keep the firearm in the arms room at the police department when not in offiical use.

Class 3 = the dealer
NFA = the weapon


I see SAR-1s from time to time in the lower $300s. To be honest I think WSARs are better firearms, and they are cheaper.

[mopars69]

Originally Posted by Tane Te Tu

You yanks are so lucky. To buy automatic rifles here is almost impossible (without the right contacts). The only full auto guns around to buy are the old Stens from back in WW2 and the Madison from Vietnam.

Shot guns are nice however i dislike the drop off in range. I find that a leaver action Springfield (bush gun) is the best. You got a nice rate of fire and it is legal, accurate and the ammo is pretty cheap.

I have a Madison that i got from my mate and it is a great little gun, the cocking handle can be a pain though.

And Jimmy, piss off. what was the point in that post. "guns are for the weak" wtff. So the army is weak?

BTW: what type of uzi is it? (Std, Mini or Micro)

i can get all three models of uzis

[mopars69]

im talking unregistered guns people,NOT where you go to the gun store,so quit posting shit about the regulations and rules.

[Tane Te Tu]

I would go for the mini uzi. I find that the Std is to large to be carried around and the micro lacks stopping power and is to hard to control on full auto.

How much you paying for it?

[Mitchell_Leary]

A shotgun is by far the easiest gun to build from scratch. If you have a shotgut shell you can build a gun around it. Depending on what kind of pipe you use you might want to reduce the powder charge in the shells.

The IMPROVISED MUNITIONS BLACK BOOKS can provide an education on building guns from scratch. Volume 3 even has a "cherry bomb gun" that fires a wicked flechette.

NOTE: In espionage school these books originally came with a classroom education. If you try to build these guns from the instructions in the books you may very well blow your hands off. A healthy dose of common sense is definately a prerequisite.


ML

[FerretBone]

Originally Posted by mopars69

im talking unregistered guns people,so quit posting shit about the regulations and rules.

Because you missed my first post, i'll repeat this

All firearms that are manufacturerd these days are registered by the manufacturer with the ATF period. Unless you find one that has been passed around to enough people second hand, then a firearm is easy to trace. Or someone could illegaly file off the serial number.

Once again if it was manufactured in the US it has already been registered.
Then once it was bought from a gun dealer, the first buyer filled out the yellow form 4473. That form is on record with the dealer for 20 years, and the sale is recorded in their bound book that they must keep untill the business is closed. Then they send it to the ATF.

So in realty, almost every firearm IS registered twice with the ATF.

Once at birth
Once when sold to Joe Somebody

Please excuss me for thoroughly informing you shithead. But you are not looking for an unregistered firearm because in most cases, there is no such thing anymore.
You are looking for a used firearm that has been frequently sold.

[mopars69]

nope not neccessarily

[FerretBone]

Originally Posted by mopars69

nope not neccessarily

OK fine, I guess your refusing to hear it. but just because you refuse to be helped, it doesnt mean others here can't gain from my advise.
If your telling me I'm wrong then you had better get your facts striaght before you go down that road Pal.

I'm not saying there are not weapons here that have never been on the grid, I'm suggesting to you you'll probably never find one. And if you do, you'll never know for sure if it has been registered or not. If you feel the need for an untraceable firearm, stick with my advise and hunt for the right firearm.

[deadlyvenom]

sorry this is a little off subject but were can you get a tech nine anyways
cuz i am kinda interested in getting one