pistol caliber carbine

[X9ballX]

i been looking for one for awhile.most the pistol caliber guns i find look a bit odd looking and i havn't found one in 50 cal. i'll deal with a 40 or 45 but those are usually expensive. high point makes some great pistol caliber carbines but they usually look a tad odd

now i want one of these guns for home defense.in closed quarters like a house or an apartment a M4 style ar-15 is still a tad big and i wont pay 600$ for a gun i wont use that often. plus i already have an ar-15 and i dont want to put a pistol kit or m4 upper on it.

i kinda thought if i could find a good looking pistol carbine i might get one just because i find them to be neat.

has anyone had one of these? or have any opionions

btw i dont want a pistol not near as accurate or easy to aim as regular pistols

[PREDATOR03]

Five Seven. armor piercing too

[bloodlusta]

Yea but i would imagine the any gun that fires the five seven round would be pretty costly.
Fabrique Nationale don't tend to make cheap guns.

[crazywhiteguy]

I've never seen a five-seven being sold to any civilian market, its really sad to say. When I turn 19 I want it to be my first (legally owned) gun. For pistol caliber carbines, I don't think there's much selection in civilian weapons. Most weapons infringe on a lot of laws regarding barrel length in relation to the action of the firearm. Hmm. My suggestion is to look into semi automatic sub machine guns. That'll give you a weapon is a pistol caliber and a barrel upgrade will give you the accuracy even though most first world SMG's are damn accurate in their stock configuration at 200m.

[VillageIdiot]

Have you guys heard of the guy who broke into a house, ex-army guy living in the house woke up and shot him almost point-blank in the head with a .22. It didn't penetrate and the guy ran. The defender of his house actually got charged with using an insufficient caliber to defend his house and as a result cost the State money. if he had just shot him with a .357 while he was on his property everything would have been much easier. You really can't make up this shit. @.@

[killerofall]

LMAO Hipoint those are the biggest peices of shit and if your thinkng about it for home defense i would never trust one with my life. Theres a reason they cost $200.

You get what you pay for. You would be better off buying a shotgun or a handgun for home defense.

Five seveNs are great but they cost $1200 new and ammo is expensive. buy a berreta 92fs and a tac light if you can aford it. or a mossburg 500 for a couple hundred and load it up with buckshot.

I only trust my life with stuff that i know that when i pull the trigger its going to shoot.

And as for above statement its just total BS ive seen deer killed at 250 yards with a .22LR with a ruger 1022. People that say that .22s are jokes have probably never shot anything in their life and have no understanding of balistics. Im not attacking you im just correcting your info.

[VillageIdiot]

I will try and dig up the story, perhaps I was a little off on the details.

Here it is: Clicky

Turns out the whole trial thing was a bit of a joke... but the bouncing off thing still stands.

[killerofall]

The only way ic ould see that happening is if the bullet grazed him but if it were aimed streight at his head it would never bounce off.

[master lurtz]

Originally Posted by VillageIdiot

Have you guys heard of the guy who broke into a house, ex-army guy living in the house woke up and shot him almost point-blank in the head with a .22. It didn't penetrate and the guy ran.

I find this very hard to belive, airrifle slugs going at much lower velocities will penitrate the skull, do you have a link to an article about this? The shock of the bullet flattening or riccoching off his skull would be enough to knock the guy out even itf it doesnt penitrate.
Sounds like an urban myth to me.

[VillageIdiot]

Originally Posted by master lurtz

I find this very hard to belive, airrifle slugs going at much lower velocities will penitrate the skull, do you have a link to an article about this? The shock of the bullet flattening or riccoching off his skull would be enough to knock the guy out even itf it doesnt penitrate.
Sounds like an urban myth to me.

Yeah, I posted it already...

[master lurtz]

Shit, sorry I missed that...

[Hetfield]

I would be VERY surprised if this happened , BUT, as we know anything is theoretically possible.

What if the round was slightly mishapen (Quality control missed it) and there wasn't a seal so the pressure shift went past the bullet without actually moving it that fast.

It could have stuck also. making it so that most of the pressure passed the bullet before it was dislodged and emitted from the barrel and practically dropped out without much force behind it.

Also if the bullet was mishapen, it could have some how fused to the flash hole of the cartridge, did the cartridge actually release it's gasses in the right area (flash hole0 or did the dhellcase split in a different area forcing the gasses out somewhere else.

These are just theorectical possibilities, probably about one 1 / 999,9999,9999,9999,9999 chancethat they could even happen once EVER!

Just some things to think about.

[VillageIdiot]

That's probably the case. .22's have headshot'd heaps of people before, they're a favourite of assassins.

.22 caliber pistols are a dime a dozen, so they'd be harder to trace. They also fire accurately and reliably for the price (usage in pest control / target shooting, plinking), are easy to conceal (smaller bullet = smaller barrel = smaller gun) and have seen usage in urban police and sniper operations, as well as assassinations.

Obligatory Wiki quotes...

The .22 LR has also seen limited usage by police and military snipers. Its main advantage in this role is its low noise, but it is usually limited to urban operations because of its short range.

Intelligence agencies and military special forces have used suppressed .22 LR pistols for assassinations and for eliminating guard dogs or sentries.

some sources

Israeli Ruger 10/22 Suppressed Sniper Rifle
SV-99 Sniper Rifle.

[FerretBone]

Originally Posted by master lurtz

I find this very hard to belive, airrifle slugs going at much lower velocities will penitrate the skull, do you have a link to an article about this? The shock of the bullet flattening or riccoching off his skull would be enough to knock the guy out even itf it doesnt penitrate.
Sounds like an urban myth to me.

Bullets can do some weird things. I heard this from a Dallas police officer so take it for what it's worth.
A man was shot in the head with a 9mm. And the bullet broke the skin, traveled around to the back of the skull under the skin and exiting out the back. The man lived.

if a bullet can bounce of the surface of water then i guess anythings posable.

[VillageIdiot]

Originally Posted by FerretBone

And the bullet broke the skin, traveled around to the back of the skull under the skin and exiting out the back. The man lived.

WTF. That's even more difficult to believe...

[bloodlusta]

There are cases of shit like that happening but i thought the shock from thee round would have killed him. An American was in a German city when he was hit by a sniper round. He woke up and thought someone had knocked him out. in 1980 he went for an xray after he hand complained about head aches and the sore that the bullet was still in there.

[X9ballX]

Originally Posted by bloodlusta

There are cases of shit like that happening but i thought the shock from thee round would have killed him. An American was in a German city when he was hit by a sniper round. He woke up and thought someone had knocked him out. in 1980 he went for an xray after he hand complained about head aches and the sore that the bullet was still in there.

i would turn it into a necklace

anyways while you guys were talking about weird things bullets can do i bought me a 9mm high point carbine from the local pawn shop. went through 30 rounds at the farm before picking up the nagant and squeezing off 50 rounds from an surplus ammo tin. then i cleaned the gun and went home.

highpoint carbines are ugly as sin but work real well.high point postols however.....suck never get a highpoint pistol

[killerofall]

I hope that you have better luck with your hi point than others have had. I personaly will never own one as the metals that are used are cheap pot-metal to save on cost.

I had a Hi Point 45 for about 3 hours took it to the range with some wolf ammo (buy that shit by the case for my 1911's Though the sig dont like it all that well) and it worked great for the first 100 rounds then it went to shit and about every 5th round it would jam. Some guy at the range offered me what i paid for it so i sold it to him. For $100 it wasnt a bad gun but didnt like the feel. I really just bought it as i didnt want to leave a gunshow empty handed.

[GreatWhiteHunter]

try a saiga 12 gauge!!!

[KCwelder]

Originally Posted by killerofall

LMAO Hipoint those are the biggest peices of shit and if your thinkng about it for home defense i would never trust one with my life. Theres a reason they cost $200.

I bought a 995 four years ago. It goes bang EVERY time I squeeze the trigger, and with a fair degree of accuracy. Best $200 I've spent in a long time.
I've found that the biggest naysayers of Hipoint have never owned one.
I did have a friend that bought a 9mm pistol from them that was having ftf problems, but 10 minutes with a piece of 1000 grit sandpaper on the magazine lips and feed ramp,and it runs like a champ.

[killerofall]

Read my other post. I say i have ever owned one and never will.

How do you think they get the cost down to that price?

Ive seen people that owned them at the range and talked to other people all say they break down and are unfixable. You get what you pay for, im sure that for $200 there not a rip off but i still wouldnt want to trust one with my life.

[french tickler]

you know the Ruger 10/22 only costs about $200 new with no modifications, I own one and it is incredibly reliable. price is not necessarily a factor of quality on guns.

[killerofall]

Ya but making a .22 and making a 9mm carbine is a big differance. I own a ruger also and other guns that cost around that but they are all rimfire or surplus guns. Theres alot more needed to be dont to a centerifre weapon that dosn't need to be done to a rimfire.

[Draven]

If you want to go carbine, get an AR15/M4 knock off, .223 caliber is basically .22 caliber with allot more energy behind it. I would not want any pistol caliber carbine firing a round smaller then .45 (for knock down) or .44 (penetration) caliber.